CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #8

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  • #581
have we ruled out the possibility that perhaps Dylan figured he'd charge his phone at his friend's house? as in, maybe he realized his phone was dead in the morning, but at the last minute decided it wasn't worth waiting around for it to charge and took off? i know that so many theories have been explored and of course that he would take off on a 3-4 mile walk seems unlikely, but perhaps he himself underestimated how long it'd take him to walk and something happened on the way, and of course not having his cell phone charged was unable to make any further contact...

im just putting this out there from my own personal experience...if i felt i was close enough to where i was going ive often just worried about charging my phone later, as well as misjudged walking distance. just putting this out there to chew on. sigh.
 
  • #582
Here's the link to the story and video. The video is what mentions the protective orders. 9news said they are trying to get the court records.
http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=302378

Thanks, I hadn't seen that one. It sounds like it was years ago when the divorce was going on, not now. I doubt he'd be given visitation if there was an issue with that. So does this mean we can talk about it now??

It did also say that Mom was vocal about blaming the Dad. It's obvious this was an acrimonious divorce so I think I'd had to take anything Mom says with a GOS.
 
  • #583
BBM

I have not heard that ER is ruled out either. I haven't read any plausible theories here on WS that involve her but then I admit to skipping pages while trying to get caught up.

Do we have any plausible theories that involve her?

MOO

That would involve sleuthing a victim
 
  • #584
BBM

I have not heard that ER is ruled out either. I haven't read any plausible theories here on WS that involve her but then I admit to skipping pages while trying to get caught up.

Do we have any plausible theories that involve her?

MOO

AFAIK, she was 6 hours away in Colorado Springs. I think I saw that she left for Durango as soon as MR called, and that both her SO and son CR went with her? Not sure about that though.

Also, I don't think we have permission to look at ER. As I understand it, we can only look at MR in relationship to the msm/LE links we provide.
 
  • #585
I havent heard them specifically rule out Elaine either.......have you?

I dont believe this is the same jurisdiction and every jurisdiction is different and has different SOPs.

The FBI nor the CBI are in the lead. The local law enforcement is always the lead agency and makes the decisions whether anyone will be publicly ruled out or not.

IMO

Elaine was a 5 hour drive away, I've not heard anything about her having an official interview, I highly doubt LE thinks she had any involvement at all.

common sense and logic leads me to the conclusion that she wouldn't have a single thing to gain by doing anything to Dylan, in fact she would probably lose that primary custody that she has.
 
  • #586
The only media link I have seen said protective orders were issued- period. I
would like to see the link were they were issued both before and after please.


ETA: we were told discussion of DV and those orders were off limits as we do not have the paperwork on either.

no where has the disposition of these accusations and orders been substantiated in MSM

Watch this video!
It says it.
I didnt make it up.

http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=302378


Im not speculating what the protective orders were about i just stated it was
mentioned on TV.

And the mom has reasons to say what she says.
 
  • #587
SBM

Do you have a link for this?

For what? That they are just an assisting agency for a local jurisdiction who has called them for their assistance?

I didnt have one handy but there are many on the net and easy to find. The local agency is alway the lead agency since it happened in their jurisdiction.

If a crime is committed that is a violation of local, state, and federal laws, does the FBI “take over” the investigation?

No. State and local law enforcement agencies are not subordinate to the FBI, and the FBI does not supervise or take over their investigations. Instead, the investigative resources of the FBI and state and local agencies are often pooled in a common effort to investigate and solve the cases. In fact, many task forces composed of FBI agents and state and local officers have been formed to locate fugitives and to address serious threats like terrorism and street violence.

Oops I forgot to capture the link.........I will get it and put the link in.

ETA: Here it is.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/faqs

IMO
 
  • #588
Thanks, I hadn't seen that one. It sounds like it was years ago when the divorce was going on, not now. I doubt he'd be given visitation if there was an issue with that. So does this mean we can talk about it now??

It did also say that Mom was vocal about blaming the Dad. It's obvious this was an acrimonious divorce so I think I'd had to take anything Mom says with a GOS.

not in regards to this case, but let's be real...judges sometimes make mistakes and grant visitation to parents that should never receive it.

I wish ER hadn't said anything, but the poor woman is exhausted mentally, emotionally and physically. I'm going to cut her some slack. And if she's telling the truth, and if her suspicions are right...well then MR has victimized her in the worst possible way. I'm certainly not going to add to that anymore than anyone here wants to add to MR's pain if he's innocent.
 
  • #589
have we ruled out the possibility that perhaps Dylan figured he'd charge his phone at his friend's house? as in, maybe he realized his phone was dead in the morning, but at the last minute decided it wasn't worth waiting around for it to charge and took off? i know that so many theories have been explored and of course that he would take off on a 3-4 mile walk seems unlikely, but perhaps he himself underestimated how long it'd take him to walk and something happened on the way, and of course not having his cell phone charged was unable to make any further contact...

im just putting this out there from my own personal experience...if i felt i was close enough to where i was going ive often just worried about charging my phone later, as well as misjudged walking distance. just putting this out there to chew on. sigh.

Some good thoughts. If his phone wasn't charge and he wanted to go to his friends, he wouldn't want to burn another hour charging it before he went. (However, he could have just plugged it in to make a call, then unplugged it and headed out.)

What you say about distance is true. When I was 15, my cousin and friend went surfing at the beach about 5 miles from my grandmothers house. My cousin who was driving and I got in a big fight so I decided to walk to my grandmothers. It was a good idea when I was mad, not so good after a few miles. I had no idea it was that far, in my mind it was just "up the street."
 
  • #590
Thanks, I hadn't seen that one. It sounds like it was years ago when the divorce was going on, not now. I doubt he'd be given visitation if there was an issue with that. So does this mean we can talk about it now??

It did also say that Mom was vocal about blaming the Dad. It's obvious this was an acrimonious divorce so I think I'd had to take anything Mom says with a GOS.

Likewise, one should take anything Dad says with a GOS.
 
  • #591
I agree. She really needs to remain silent and focus on talking about Dylan only imo. The police are the ones that do the investigation and gather the evidence as to what happened to Dylan..not Elaine. It may not even be a criminal case for they dont know what happened to him. They do have their theories like all LE but theories arent evidence of anything.. They havent ruled out that he may have been abducted either and an abduction could result in a homicide.

IMO

Re: BBM. Does this apply to Dad as well? Does it make sense for him to be discussing their squabbles and differences in his interviews?

Yes, the police are investigating. Dad has continued to voice many frustrations with LE.

Another source of frustration is with the Dylan Redwine Taskforce of law-enforcement agencies, he said. He said in the last day or two he has been trying to contact the task force for updates but has received no response.

Mark Redwine's usual contact with the task force is Lead Investigator Dan Patterson of the La Plata County Sheriff's Office. He said he saw Patterson Friday, but has not heard from him since.

In contrast to mom's opinion of LE:

Elaine Redwine, in a separate phone interview, said that the task force “is working hard.” Because this is an ongoing investigation, not all information is being made public.
link

Yes, LE had narrowed this case down to two possibilities: runaway or foul play. They then stated they'd ruled out that Dylan ran away, and that this is now a criminal investigation. IMO, they have far more info than we do, and concrete reasons for both narrowing the investigation and choosing to publicize that they'd done so. (links in prev threads)

Moo
 
  • #592
There have been multitudes of things the father has said that alarm me. The biggest is being SO insistent about the lake.

Did he bother to drive the 4 miles down the road to the lake to see if Dylan was fishing BEFORE he drove the 20 miles to his friend's house looking for him?

He would drive right past it to get any where. One way in one way out.
 
  • #593
also can someone paraphrase in a few sentences what ER has said about MR? im having trouble keeping up with this thread but it's my day off today so i get to catch up :) TIA
 
  • #594
Elaine was a 5 hour drive away, I've not heard anything about her having an official interview, I highly doubt LE thinks she had any involvement at all.

common sense and logic leads me to the conclusion that she wouldn't have a single thing to gain by doing anything to Dylan, in fact she would probably lose that primary custody that she has.

Jessica Ridgeway's father also lived far away from Jessica too but they specifically ruled him out. I imagine they checked to make sure that he was were he said he was at the time. Since at that time they had no clue what had happened to JR.

Oh I do think they have interviewed her. We have no idea what they may have thought at first or even now actually and may have thought she or someone in her family may have taken Dylan so MR would lose his visitation rights altogether.

They would be remiss if they did not interview her extensively. It was certainly a distance she could have driven. It wasnt like he went on the other side of the country to be with his dad.

imo
 
  • #595
I raised three boys. To my knowledge none of them have ever hitchhiked. But I would not make the statement that none of them ever would, especially if one of their friends said they had a history of hitching.

And from experience, I can tell you that every time I've thought one of them would not do something, one of them did. You think you know your child better than anyone, but that is not always true.

I could state a dozen examples of the things I found out after mine were grown, but I will spare you all. :blushing::blushing:

Darn it I took time to sleep and do the dishes and laundry and now I'm way behind again. :( Apologies if this has already been discussed, I'm trying to catch up but every time I finish one page another 1-2 pages pop up! I'm sure you can all relate.

Regarding the hitching, I'm still surprised how many people have commented that it's rare. I believe everyone's personal accounts of course, it's just really surprising to me. While I agree it's dangerous or can be, it's done a lot where I live (suburb of a large city in California). IMO it's probably even more common in rural mountain communities. I know this is or might be a little OT but I hope it's ok. Just a few hitch-hiking stories.

I live in a much larger community than Bayfield or Vallecito, but can recall numerous hitch-hikers in recent years. One was a boy carrying a raft who forgot about the need for transportation at the END of the rafting trip and not just the beginning. I was driving a few people back to the "start" point and picked him up after seeing him struggling up the street with his raft and begging for a ride. He was in the car 20-30 minutes with me and a couple of other people I'd only known a few hours. Probably dangerous for all of us, now that I think about it... but it was such an innocent thing, makes me mad it could be considered dangerous.

Another example, my husband nearly picked up a young teenage girl (age was his guess) who was sitting next to the road crying with her thumb out to catch a ride. He said she was obviously distraught but also obviously vulnerable, pretty, and very tiny/petite. Hubby wanted to take her somewhere safer but he realized how quickly late-30s man with distraught young teen girl in the car could turn very, very ugly even though he had the best of intentions, so he didn't pick her up. He did call the police to go check on her.

It's just upsetting. I get that hitch-hiking is probably not the safest activity but is it really so rare? and so dangerous? Is it happening way more than people, especially parents, might realize?

I guess what I'm getting at in a long roundabout way is I'm a kind-hearted innocent person in a fairly large sized suburb and I see hitch-hikers quite a bit. Until reading this thread it never even occurred to me what a prime target that would make for a predator. It just doesn't seem that far-fetched to me that Dylan might hitch-hike, and find himself in a very bad situation.
 
  • #596
Some good thoughts. If his phone wasn't charge and he wanted to go to his friends, he wouldn't want to burn another hour charging it before he went. (However, he could have just plugged it in to make a call, then unplugged it and headed out.)

What you say about distance is true. When I was 15, my cousin and friend went surfing at the beach about 5 miles from my grandmothers house. My cousin who was driving and I got in a big fight so I decided to walk to my grandmothers. It was a good idea when I was mad, not so good after a few miles. I had no idea it was that far, in my mind it was just "up the street."

In my experience, my iphone takes about 5 minutes to power up to the point where I could use it when it's dead, so it's possible if he was REALLY impatient to go and realized at the very last minute he'd have to charge it he just said "forget it."

I've had a similar experience recently, I got mad at my SO and decided I'd walk 4 miles home instead of getting a ride...the result was me being soaked in sweat, being super irritated that I had even attempted such a feat (as my apartment is near several major roads) and being almost terrified at the amount of strange men that "hollered" at me and offered me rides...never again.

I hope we can google map the surrounding areas of his home soon so we can see the routes he may have taken and the terrain. I also cant imagine that there isn't any evidence that we've *heard* of being left behind...a t-shirt, blood, hair, anything? :banghead:
 
  • #597
not in regards to this case, but let's be real...judges sometimes make mistakes and grant visitation to parents that should never receive it.

I wish ER hadn't said anything, but the poor woman is exhausted mentally, emotionally and physically. I'm going to cut her some slack. And if she's telling the truth, and if her suspicions are right...well then MR has victimized her in the worst possible way. I'm certainly not going to add to that anymore than anyone here wants to add to MR's pain if he's innocent.

I wish she hadn't said anything either, it makes her look vindictive and derails the investigation if she's not correct in her assumption. MR has been torn to shreds here and elsewhere because of this. I wish people had as much respect for MR's feelings in this as they do for ER's feelings in this. It's sad, really.
 
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  • #599
also can someone paraphrase in a few sentences what ER has said about MR? im having trouble keeping up with this thread but it's my day off today so i get to catch up :) TIA



Here is one of them.

Elaine Redwine told ABC News she believes her ex-husband was upset that she was the court-mandated primary custodian of their son.

"I don't think Mark treats him very well," Elaine Redwine said. "I would not put it past Mark to have done something to remove Dylan from the situation. You know, like 'if I can't have him, nobody will.'"

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-boys-mother-suspects-husband-sons-disappearance/story?id=17813458
 
  • #600
Re: BBM. Does this apply to Dad as well? Does it make sense for him to be discussing their squabbles and differences in his interviews?

Yes, the police are investigating. Dad has continued to voice many frustrations with LE.



In contrast to mom's opinion of LE:

link

Yes, LE had narrowed this case down to two possibilities: runaway or foul play. They then stated they'd ruled out that Dylan ran away, and that this is now a criminal investigation. IMO, they have far more info than we do, and concrete reasons for both narrowing the investigation and choosing to publicize that they'd done so. (links in prev threads)

Moo

I thought they said they were open to all possibilites. I never saw that they only ever listed just two.

In fact I havent seen them rule out that he may have willingly gone somewhere and had an accident. Have they ruled out accident?

I do know they included a possible abduction and a homicide which of course could have resulted after the abduction. I havent seen LE rule out an abduction yet either.
 
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