CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #9

[Angelo]

Problem is, we don't even know if there was a poly. LE hasn't said that ANY poly's were taken. ER can say all day long that she took and passed one .. WE don't know if ANYONE has taken one ...

Many seem to take her word as gospel and anything he says, a lie. We can't rely on either of them to be telling FACTS .. imo

ETA .. Okay, now we know there were polys, but we don't know the results as LE does not release them..

Lt. Ray Shupe, spokesman for a task force made up of multiple agencies assigned to the case.

"Both parties took a polygraph early on in the investigation, Shupe said, but authorities cannot release results."


http://durangoherald.com/article/20121203/NEWS01/121209881/Police-reveal-no-new-leads--

 

[jjenny]

Problem is, we don't even know if there was a poly. LE hasn't said that ANY poly's were taken. ER can say all day long that she took and passed one .. WE don't know if ANYONE has taken one ...

Many seem to take her word as gospel and anything he says, a lie. We can't rely on either of them to be telling FACTS .. imo

Actually, LE did say they took polygraphs. So that is not a problem at all.

"Both parties took a polygraph early on in the investigation, Shupe said, but authorities cannot release results."

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121203/NEWS01/121209881/Police-reveal-no-new-leads--

 

[TexasCharm]

People develop a bias toward an outcome and then focus on information (factual or otherwise) that supports that predisposition.
Based on that interview, I see no reason to believe ER knows for a fact what the outcome of MR's poly was. Therefore, I view her inconsistent statement as her opinion. I would even suggest the possibility that this inconsistency in her comments may have been as a result of undue influence by either NG or someone on her staff prior to her going on camera. If true, that would render her already shaky statement on the subject of the MR poly completely unreliable.

BBM ... YA THINK??? :floorlaugh: Just worth repeating...

imo

 

[SCHMAE]

LE on the poly(s)

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121203/NEWS01/121209881/Police-reveal-no-new-leads--

WOW ! I did not know LE said anything re: polys thank you

 

[DylansMom34]

So if someone is given a lie detector test, does LE typically inform the person the results of their test? Elaine indicated that she passed...would they have told her that?

 

[Bravo]

I believe thats just standard when somebody goes missing. Poly's are given to Parents/Family and questioned etc. so LE can move on. Many times I have heard a Parent wanting to be quickly hooked up so LE can move on and concentrate on finding the loved one. MOO

 

[vega]

So if someone is given a lie detector test, does LE typically inform the person the results of their test? Elaine indicated that she passed...would they have told her that?

I had the same question, or is that once again just her opinion because in her mind she knows she is innocent. Stating opinion as fact.

 

[jennapuppy]

Maybe because dad wanted to spend time with his son? He hadn't seen him for a couple of months - I think expecting he would be fine with picking him up at the airport and dropping him off at friends for the night almost immediately is pretty unreasonable. We don't even know if Dylan himself had a problem with delaying his visit with friends. If all this happened the other way around and poor Dylan went missing after MR had dropped him off at friends that Sunday night - people would probably still be outraged that he hadn't wanted to see his son and blaming him for that.

:moo:

I also thought that MR might have worried that it wouldn't sit well with ER if he picked Dylan up at the airport, only to drop him off at his friend's house for the night. Even if MR knew that, logistically it made more sense to do it that way, he had to wonder how it would appear to ER when she found out about it.
MOO

 

[jjenny]

I also thought that MR knew that it wouldn't sit well with ER if he picked Dylan up at the airport, only to drop him off at his friend's house for the night. Even if MR knew that, logistically it made more sense to do it that way, he had to wonder how it would appear to ER when she found out about it.

Why wouldn't it sit well with ER? She never said anything of the sort as far as I know.

 

[jjenny]

So if someone is given a lie detector test, does LE typically inform the person the results of their test? Elaine indicated that she passed...would they have told her that?

What's the point of taking a test if they won't tell you the results?
And if you pass, they likely won't you take another one. If it's inconclusive (or fail) they will ask you to take another one.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

I believe her when she said she passed it.

I do too. I don't think we have any reason not to believe her on that account. I don't think we've been given any reason to even question her involvement in this case as anything aside from a grieving mum.

I'm against accusations without actual real merit, and that goes for all involved. We don't have to throw mom under the bus in order to argue that Dad shouldn't be thrown under the bus.

I'm with you TxL .. back and forth, round and round .. and the speculation being repeated so much it 'becomes fact' ...

Personally, it's really really really sad to me that two adult people can't seperate and have their differences without dragging their kids through crap. I hope whoever the instigator(s) in this apparent ongoing feud is .. is really evaluating how much keeping the crap stirred up was worth it now ...

stupid stupid stupid .. IMO

None of us know these people, whether or not someone would get up, stay asleep, text or eat first .. whether mom or dad is lying or telling the truth ... it's craziness what is passed around here as gospel .. according to whichever parent is believed .. ugh.

I'll sit on the fence with you and wait for something further. I'm tired.

Peace. Out.

Agreed.

This thread has completely jaded me. Nobody specific, just everything. Mostly just that Dylan should be here, and whoever hurt him should be in jail. I sure hope LE is finding what they need to make that possible.

I am fully aware that it could be dad, and that door has never closed in my mind. But a few bad decisions does not make him a murderer. We need more info before we throw away the key.

I guess that's just insanely important to me. WE do not have the power to arrest and convict anyone, so I feel like until the people who DO decide to give us some data we should stay mostly balanced and logical without getting ahead of ourselves.

But I'm a forensics person, I guess. Theories and circumstance don't interest me much because they are so varied and inexact. Forensics and concrete data interests me because they tell the truth without human baggage. I guess that's why I'm a neuroscience major and not a psychology major, huh? SO SO SO looking forward to hearing any results they share of video footage, interrogation, and the search of the house and cars.

Crossing my fingers for more real information soon.

 

[vega]

If he did take the poly, and I realize that's a big if, then I think an ' inconclusive' result is akin to passing light if that makes sense. Inconclusive
is almost as good as a pass. Some people may think inconclusive is almost like a fail, but it's not true. LE makes no determination on inconclusive. They'd rather a PASS of course but it doesn't make dad more suspicious if it's inconclusive. At least that is my understanding.

LOL How ridiculous of me. This ^^^ is about as convoluted as what ER said last night about the poly. sry :$

In a real life setting an inconclusive result simply means the examiner is unable to render a definite diagnosis of truth or deception. In such cases a second examination is usually conducted at a later date.

http://www.polygraph.org/section/resources/frequently-asked-questions

 

[Angelo]

There have been many highly publicized cases over the past few years where cell phone pings, texts, and phone calls have been key in tracking the movements of those involved in the case. Information regarding cell phone tracking is well known.

The fact that Dylan's cell phone was turned off Sunday night and did not go back on Monday morning is worrisome to me.

Yes, kid's cell phones run out of charge but you usually don't see those same kids end up missing.

Additionally, I hope PPD tried to get DNA from the blanket Dylan's father said was used when Dylan slept on the couch and fingerprints from that bowl of cereal his father said was left.

 

[DylansMom34]

What's the point of taking a test if they won't tell you the results?
And if you pass, they likely won't you take another one. If it's inconclusive (or fail) they will ask you to take another one.

Thanks, I agree with this. And because of this, I just would think that if MR took and passed a polygraph test, he would also say so.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

What's the point of taking a test if they won't tell you the results?
And if you pass, they likely won't you take another one. If it's inconclusive (or fail) they will ask you to take another one.

I suspect they are under no obligation to tell you the truth. IOW, if it suits them to give you confidence, they can tell you that you passed. If it suits them to break you down, they can tell you that you didn't pass when you had.

That said, I agree that they have no reason not to tell ER that her test went just fine. Good on LE for doing one on her even though she was so far away, tells me they aren't being hyper-focused in one direction.

 

[jjenny]

There have been many highly publicized cases over the past few years where cell phone pings, texts, and phone calls have been key in tracking the movements of those involved in the case. Information regarding cell phone tracking is well known.

The fact that Dylan's cell phone was turned off Sunday night and did not go back on Monday morning is worrisome to me.

Yes, kid's cell phones run out of charge but you usually don't see those same kids end up missing.

Additionally, I home PPD tried to get DNA from the blanket Dylan's father said was used when Dylan slept on the couch and fingerprints from that bowl of cereal his father said was left.

They did forensic search a week or so later, so I doubt bowl was still sitting there un-washed.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Maybe because he's Dylan's father, and he loves him, and missed him the months they were apart. Maybe he just wanted Dylan at home with him the first night, even if Dylan was just asleep on the sofa. I would have done the same in his place.

If that were the case, I personally wouldn't have scheduled four hours of errands on the very first day!

And just what were those errands? That were so important they couldn't wait until Dylan actually went to his friends house?


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[Ransom]

Can someone explain this? I heard this last night and thought I misheard. Nope, that's what she said.

Elaine, you have taken and passed a police polygraph, is that correct?

REDWINE: Yes.

GRACE: And what kind of questions did they ask you?

REDWINE: You know, just basic questions, just trying to see if I was a good candidate for the polygraph.

 

[jjenny]

Can someone explain this? I heard this last night and thought I misheard. Nope, that's what she said.

Elaine, you have taken and passed a police polygraph, is that correct?

REDWINE: Yes.

GRACE: And what kind of questions did they ask you?

REDWINE: You know, just basic questions, just trying to see if I was a good candidate for the polygraph.

She is probably talking about beginning of polygraph. They ask a set of questions to establish a baseline. Maybe that's what she means by them determining if she was a good candidate.

 

[Marilynilpa]

What's the point of taking a test if they won't tell you the results?
And if you pass, they likely won't you take another one. If it's inconclusive (or fail) they will ask you to take another one.

The lie detector test is for the use of LE, and they do not have to tell you if you pass/fail. In fact, I don't think LE even says "pass" or "fail". They might say whether a lie detector test indicates deception, but usually LE doesn't say anything at all about it.

If a test is inconclusive, it does not mean you have "failed" it. There are numerous factors that come into play, including how nervous a person is, whether they are on certain medications, etc. In that case, the test can be re-administered.

A lie detector test is an investigative tool, but it is not foolproof. Otherwise, test results would be admissible in court. JMO