CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #9

[TxJan1971]

I am only voicing what "I" think katy that is why I always end my posts with, 'IMO.' What others believe is their own choice to make of course. I see no evidence at this time that his father had anything to do with Dylan's disappearance. I would not find him negligent either just because Dylan went missing while he was out running errands. Dylan is of age to stay by himself. It wasnt like he left a young child to fend for himself. None of us can say anything definitive.... yet some believe that MR is involved in spite of the lack of evidence. I am just one of the ones that hasnt seen any evidence to show he is involved. Its just different points of view about the same subject and that is all we have in this case since it remains unsolved with no suspect or POI per LE.

Personally I dont believe in theories of an 'accidental death' and then a coverup. Now I know that worked for CA and her clueless jury but I never believed Caylee accidently died for one second. Children who die by an actual accident have parents who call 911 right away. In fact during the Anthony case I searched extensively for anyone that had had a child die due to an accident and then covered it up to look more like a murder and I found none....

I understand......we have different opinions and preceptions about the same man. I think he is honest and just tells what happened. I dont see him as you do and one who is trying to make himself into something he isnt.

Unfortunately for the children.. abductors always have luck on their side. That is why they are able to abduct children right in broad daylight and no one sees or hears a thing. It has happened right on a busy residential street with houses side by side on each side still no one saw or heard a thing. So it is certainly possible it could happen in a very rural area of a small community, imo.

IMO

Thank you so much for sharing your opinion! I respect everyone's opinion, even when/if it differs from mine. I think it's actually helpful for everyone to share their opinions, different or not, because at least for me, other people's opinions sometimes can and do sway my initial thoughts down a different path that I may not have considered previously. Carry on fellow sleuthers...

 

[Eileen730]

Yes, ER said ... but we don't know.

ER said alot of things.

He failed the poly.
Well, I don't know if he took the poly.
I think he took the poly
We want him to take a poly
The poly was inconclusive

POINT IS ... WE don't KNOW... anything .. really.


imo

I think she does tho!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Totally agree with you...couldn't have said it better....

I will also so this.....as far as thinking MR would not lead them to lake if guilty...but he hasn't been found there. It is possible MR could be leading towards lake to MISLEAD. Who knows.

I dont think he tried to lead them anywhere. Evidently not since they didnt go there immediately.

He just couldnt understand why they didnt search the lake sooner since the fishing pole was missing and I cant understand why they didnt either.

IMO

 

[TxJan1971]

Is the Wal Mart and McDonalds that dad and Dylan went to, are they in La Plata County?

Reason I ask is because LE have been very clear in stating that they have established that Dylan made it to La Plata County Sunday night.. They have been very clear in their never stating that they have established that Dylan made it to his fathers home ever.. This IMO is telling that they made such a very clear distinction..

I was able to find this:

they had shopped at Walmart and eaten at a McDonald's in Durango and before the 45-minute drive to Mark's home north of Vallecito Lake

http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

 

[Seek&Find]

yet some believe that MR is involved in spite of the lack of evidence. I am just one of the ones that hasnt seen any evidence to show he is involved.

SBM

This portion of this post is ironic, IMO, and goes to the larger point of the post, IMO. Some believe MR may be involved precisely due to evidence we see, not in spite of it. Some don't see those points as being evidence. The interpretation of the information is what's different.

Moo

 

[CALSAR]

How do you feel about a LDT?? :floorlaugh:

I would never under any circumstance take one as the results are directly related to whether the examiner wants you to pass or fail...

I would not trust my life to any one person or machine.

In a case like this, the only reason they are brought up is to watch the suspects reaction when asked if he is willing to take one. In nearly every case the suspect is being video taped when asked so that the response can be analyzed over and over. If the response plays to the benefit of the prosecution the response is generally admissible even if the exam/results itself is not. Same for the defense.

 

[princessk]

I am only voicing what "I" think katy that is why I always end my posts with, 'IMO.' What others believe is their own choice to make of course. I see no evidence at this time that his father had anything to do with Dylan's disappearance. I would not find him negligent either just because Dylan went missing while he was out running errands. Dylan is of age to stay by himself. It wasnt like he left a young child to fend for himself. None of us can say anything definitive.... yet some believe that MR is involved in spite of the lack of evidence. I am just one of the ones that hasnt seen any evidence to show he is involved. Its just different points of view about the same subject and that is all we have in this case since it remains unsolved with no suspect or POI per LE.

Personally I dont believe in theories of an 'accidental death' and then a coverup. Now I know that worked for CA and her clueless jury but I never believed Caylee accidently died for one second. Children who die by an actual accident have parents who call 911 right away. In fact during the Anthony case I searched extensively for anyone that had had a child die due to an accident and then covered it up to look more like a murder and I found none....

I understand......we have different opinions and preceptions about the same man. I think he is honest and just tells what happened. I dont see him as you do and one who is trying to make himself into something he isnt.

Unfortunately for the children.. abductors always have luck on their side. That is why they are able to abduct children right in broad daylight and no one sees or hears a thing. It has happened right on a busy residential street with houses side by side on each side still no one saw or heard a thing. So it is certainly possible it could happen in a very rural area of a small community, imo.

IMO

I REALLY wish I felt the same way you do ocean, but I don't.

 

[jjenny]

Minor point, but per dad, not all of Dylan's possessions are missing. There were some "articles of clothing" still there. Linked in the last page or two.

Moo

On NG, mom was not aware that some of clothing were at father's house.

 

[OneLove]

I dont think he tried to lead them anywhere. Evidently not since they didnt go there immediately.

He just couldnt understand why they didnt search the lake sooner since the fishing pole was missing and I cant understand why they didnt either.

IMO

My understanding is they did search around the lake with the result of a living Dylan not found. Woods around that area were searched also. Its been said by posters here that Mr. Redwine most likely looked there himself BEFORE he went to the friend's house looking for Dylan, since he had to pass right by it, knew the fishing pole was gone, and was worried about Dylan's absence.

Then they searched / DOVE in the lake for a dead Dylan and got hits, 3 different ones from 2 different dogs on 2 different days.

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That's my understanding, based on the news articles I have read and the specific comments attributed to Mr. Redwine.

 

[Tennlyn]

I dont think he tried to lead them anywhere. Evidently not since they didnt go there immediately.

He just couldnt understand why they didnt search the lake sooner since the fishing pole was missing and I cant understand why they didnt either.

IMO

I think they didn't search the lake sooner because they were focusing on finding Dylan alive. I'm sure they searched the shore though, as well as the woods, homes, etc. moo

 

[Seek&Find]

On NG, mom was not aware that some of clothing were at father's house.

I know. . I juxtaposed those quotes in a post within the last few pages.

 

[OneLove]

I would never under any circumstance take one as the results are directly related to whether the examiner wants you to pass or fail...

I would not trust my life to any one person or machine.

In a case like this, the only reason they are brought up is to watch the suspects reaction when asked if he is willing to take one. In nearly every case the suspect is being video taped when asked so that the response can be analyzed over and over. If the response plays to the benefit of the prosecution the response is generally admissible even if the exam/results itself is not. Same for the defense.

If my child were missing and his/her life at stake, I would value my child's life above my own reputation/ public image /possible future 'defense strategy'. If I were innocent, of course.

And if I had killed my child or already knew my child was dead by any means, I might be more concerned about myself because nothing could bring my child back to life.

 

[Seek&Find]

Investigators in the Dylan Redwine disappearance said Wednesday they have determined the 13-year-old did not run away.

"Just given the length of time (he's been gone), we're looking at other possibilities," said Durango Police Lt. Ray Shupe. "Everything from abduction to homicide."

Link BBM

Hadn't seen this specific quote before.

Moo

 

[LietKynes]

My understanding is that Mr. Redwine THEN began to complain that they did not pull a dead body out of the lake and wants them to go back and get that done.

SBM

Wow. Makes one wonder if Dylan is indeed at the bottom of a lake.

Not trying to be too graphic... but if that's the case, won't all evidence of murder be lost ?

 

[katydid23]

I am only voicing what "I" think katy that is why I always end my posts with, 'IMO.' What others believe is their own choice to make of course. I see no evidence at this time that his father had anything to do with Dylan's disappearance. I would not find him negligent either just because Dylan went missing while he was out running errands. Dylan is of age to stay by himself. It wasnt like he left a young child to fend for himself. None of us can say anything definitive.... yet some believe that MR is involved in spite of the lack of evidence. I am just one of the ones that hasnt seen any evidence to show he is involved. Its just different points of view about the same subject and that is all we have in this case since it remains unsolved with no suspect or POI per LE.

Personally I dont believe in theories of an 'accidental death' and then a coverup. Now I know that worked for CA and her clueless jury but I never believed Caylee accidently died for one second. Children who die by an actual accident have parents who call 911 right away. In fact during the Anthony case I searched extensively for anyone that had had a child die due to an accident and then covered it up to look more like a murder and I found none....

I understand......we have different opinions and preceptions about the same man. I think he is honest and just tells what happened. I dont see him as you do and one who is trying to make himself into something he isnt.

Unfortunately for the children.. abductors always have luck on their side. That is why they are able to abduct children right in broad daylight and no one sees or hears a thing. It has happened right on a busy residential street with houses side by side on each side still no one saw or heard a thing. So it is certainly possible it could happen in a very rural area of a small community, imo.

IMO

Thank you for your thoughtful post. I agree with much of what you have written.
None of us have any evidence one way or the other, and it is all up to our personal interpretations. Agreed.

I do not fully agree with your example of Caylee though. It is not comparable,imo, because she was a toddler. They had to make a case for an accident in the home because there is no way that a toddler can go off fishing by themselves.

As for the statement that there are no cases where a child died by accident and then it was covered up---I don't think we can know if that is true or not. How many teen runaways are there in the nation? [ just looked up on google, they say 2.8 million run away each year.]

Ok, of those 2.8 million, how many never turn up safe and sound? It has got to be a large number. So what are the odds that NONE of those 'runaways' were actually victimized' by family, and were really runaways? I think it is likely that some of the missing runaways are actually victims of child abuse and were hidden away before anyone reported them missing. JMO

As for MR, he may be totally innocent here. I do not have any idea if he was involved. But I am voicing some concern because my hinky meter has been going off with some of his actions and statements. I am probably WRONG and I hope I am. But my allegiance is with Dylan, and not his parents at this time. :rose:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

SBM

Wow. Makes one wonder if Dylan is indeed at the bottom of a lake.

Not trying to be too graphic... but if that's the case, won't all evidence of murder be lost ?

BBM

Absolutely not. I saw a special on HBO where a woman was submerged for over three years in a creek. Dr. Baden was able to even get fingerprints on the duct tape the suspect used to bind her with.

So they would still be able to know the MOD/COD very easily. The water is very cold in the lake and that slows the rate of decomp way down.

If he is there they will be able to tell if it is a homicide or if he accidentally drowned.

imo

 

[OneLove]

SBM

Wow. Makes one wonder if Dylan is indeed at the bottom of a lake.

Not trying to be too graphic... but if that's the case, won't all evidence of murder be lost ?

Might depend on forensics. That's why they are thorough, take their time, and don't release much info to the public.

 

[SCHMAE]

Is the Wal Mart and McDonalds that dad and Dylan went to, are they in La Plata County?

Reason I ask is because LE have been very clear in stating that they have established that Dylan made it to La Plata County Sunday night.. They have been very clear in their never stating that they have established that Dylan made it to his fathers home ever.. This IMO is telling that they made such a very clear distinction..

I concur !

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thank you for your thoughtful post. I agree with much of what you have written.
None of us have any evidence one way or the other, and it is all up to our personal interpretations. Agreed.

I do not fully agree with your example of Caylee though. It is not comparable,imo, because she was a toddler. They had to make a case for an accident in the home because there is no way that a toddler can go off fishing by themselves.

As for the statement that there are no cases where a child died by accident and then it was covered up---I don't think we can know if that is true or not. How many teen runaways are there in the nation? [ just looked up on google, they say 2.8 million run away each year.]

Ok, of those 2.8 million, how many never turn up safe and sound? It has got to be a large number. So what are the odds that NONE of those 'runaways' were actually victimized' by family, and were really runaways? I think it is likely that some of the missing runaways are actually victims of child abuse and were hidden away before anyone reported them missing. JMO

As for MR, he may be totally innocent here. I do not have any idea if he was involved. But I am voicing some concern because my hinky meter has been going off with some of his actions and statements. I am probably WRONG and I hope I am. But my allegiance is with Dylan, and not his parents at this time. :rose:

Katy we just have a different viewpoint but that never means I dont highly respect you for I certainly do. We have posted together on many cases and I hope that continues for many years to come.

I do understand what you are saying but I was talking about known cases where the ME said the child died due to an accident but the parents covered it up to make it look like a murder or even an abduction. I was talking about verified cases that had been resolved and in all my many searches for over two months during the CA case.... I found no parent who had ever done this.

BBM
I have always said there are so many missing minors labeled as runaways that we really dont know if the stats are right. Most of those missing are teens and I think it is likely that some family members may have been involved but I also believe they may have been murdered by pedos/serial killers who targets those who they know are vulnerable.

I think everyone here has an allegiance to Dylan and wants the truth to be known as to what happened to him.

Its not about having an allegiance to Mark Redwine or Elaine, imo. Im just not ready to accuse Dylan's father of harming him when as I see it there is nothing to prove it. Of course should that change ......I will be picking MRs bones just like everyone else. Im just not there yet.

IMO

 

[Confusion]

This is pretty similar to my 13 yo daughter's theory. She doesn't find the dead cell suspicious at all. She said it happens with her friends a lot. She thinks the phone went dead on the ride home from the airport. It was an older phone, probably didn't have the best battery life, and was burning through what life it had searching for a signal. She thinks Dylan got to his Dad's, plopped on the couch, MEANT to charge the phone, but was feeling lazy and didn't feel like getting up right that minute. He drifted off and didn't feel like getting off the couch when Dad woke him early the next morning. My daughter doesn't think it odd that he wouldn't get out of bed right then to see his friends, especially if they were just going to hang out. So Dylan finally does wake up, flips through the channels and finds Spongebob on Nick, and grabs some cereal. He knew he missed his ride to his friends, but had a whole morning to kill, so she thinks he decided to drop by someone's house. She doesn't think this would've had to be a "friend", exactly. It could've just been someone he knew and wouldn't mind hanging with for a few. It could have even been an adult. She thinks he probably grabbed his phone to text the friends he was supposed to meet that morning, but discovered/remembered that he forgot to charge it. (direct quote from DD-"we're scatterbrained like that sometimes.") My daughter doesn't think Dylan would have had any particular urgency to contact his friends, because he wouldn't be able to make new plans with them until his Dad got back, anyway. She figures that he just decided to take the phone and the charger with him and would charge it when he got to wherever he was going, instead of waiting for it to charge before leaving the house. She also thinks that wherever he was heading, it was far enough away that he took his stuff with him, and was probably planning on calling his Dad later and having him pick him up from there to take him to his other friend's house. :twocents:

It's already been said, but you have a very smart daughter.

But mom is talking to her kid from 6 hours away. So she does not have much control over whose house he is hanging out in. It would be dad making that decision.

And judging by the way he interacted with his son on Monday morning, I am not surprised that Dylan would feel like making his own plans. They did not communicate with each other at all. But even so, I don't believe that D would wake that morning, with a cell phone a landline and a computer, and not communicate with anyone. jmo

I get the feeling that she almost always has control over decisions.

But let's say LE tells dad they want him to come back and take another poly. And he is mulling it over, and he tells a friend or relative about his situation.

Coudnt that leak out to cory or mom?

I know of at least one person very involved in the situation who is very close to BOTH mom and dad. [ the family friend, who runs the Search hdqtrs, organized the vigil, hosts the FB page, spoke on NG, was mom's best friend, and is still very 'close' to dad.]

I don't think she has been "very close" to him since she started insinuating that she agrees with ER. I just don't see MR or one of his relatives telling ER or one of her friends anything that would give her more ammunition to use against him. MOO

Regarding smart mouths coming with this age-

Another area where understanding Dylan's norms would be helpful. My kids have yet to go through a mouthy phase. Not all teens look like the teenage stereotype. And I do believe it is a stereotype.

Edited to Clarify:
In a class of about 30 children, there are usually about 5 who are smart-mouthed. 10 if you're being generous. That's still 1/3 of the population. Our quiet kids who keep to the rules just don't get as much attention as the loud ones. I was a loud one, fwiw. I know it's real.

Stereotypes don't mean "false" they simply mean an entire category of people is judged on the basis of a perceived majority.

It's really hard to say. Almost nobody would even believe that either of my sons would ever be a "smart-mouth" at any age (after about 4 or 5). Dad knew differently though. I went to pick them up after a visit one time when they were about 10 and 16, and he told me that if I had any trouble with them to bring them back and he'd set them straight. I told him that I never had any trouble with them, and at the same time the 16 year old said, "She never has trouble with us because she knows how to be a parent." I felt a bit guilty for reprimanding him and making him apologize.

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Sorry if I repeated something already said (not real likely!) or if I brought up topics people stopped talking about hours ago. I just hit multi-quote as I read a post I want to respond to and do all responses once I catch up.