CO- Dylan Redwine's case discussed on Dr. Phil ONLY!- 2/26/13 ***SPOILERS***

[fedfan4life]

I'm still on the fence. I do find it odd that ER would call her divorce attorney right away. She says she didn't but this could be easily verified so why would he lie about that? I don't think the postlady and ex are the same person. Regarding the dead rat, I'll have to go back and look again, but as he denies it, she said something like, that's how your mind works though, adding the 'though' to me seems like it was made up but something he'd totally do. Again, I'll have to go back and watch. I think MR showed a lot of restraint. I think what keeps me on the fence is there's just not enough for me to go on in determining guilt. While some took ER as not wanting to get into regarding the drinking accusations, I took it opposite as maybe it was true, so she had nothing to say.
MOO

ETA: I did think him using Mrs. Redwine was a low blow.

Re: dead rodent - No, what she meant is that there was no PROOF that he did it.

 

[Tonto]

I'm still on the fence. I do find it odd that ER would call her divorce attorney right away. She says she didn't but this could be easily verified so why would he lie about that? I don't think the postlady and ex are the same person. Regarding the dead rat, I'll have to go back and look again, but as he denies it, she said something like, that's how your mind works though, adding the 'though' to me seems like it was made up but something he'd totally do. Again, I'll have to go back and watch. I think MR showed a lot of restraint. I think what keeps me on the fence is there's just not enough for me to go on in determining guilt. While some took ER as not wanting to get into regarding the drinking accusations, I took it opposite as maybe it was true, so she had nothing to say.
MOO

This is a terrific post. Outlined my thoughts nearly verbatim.

 

[Eileen730]

This is just so so sad.

 

[Chili Fries]

Since I can't watch the show live, I've just watched all of the clips and read what's been posted here. I'm sure I'm missing a lot because of that, but I still have opinions (what a surprise!)

I have no doubt that both parents are grieving, but the anger/hatred? seemed much more obvious in both of them than grief. I also feel like neither of them is being totally honest in their answers/statements. What I was seeing was two people who have many years of pent up anger and resentment, in addition to a devastating loss, and they both desperately want to believe that the other is responsible because it's better than the alternatives.

I'm not even sure if either of them realizes they're not being honest, but I don't think that either of them really believes deep down that the other one did anything to him. MOO

Whether Mark is responsible for Dylan's disappearance or not, I don't know, but I have absolutely no doubt that Elaine believes with every fiber of her being that Mark is responsible. Her emotions are raw and very real and when she speaks about him being disappearing Dylan, it is with great conviction.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Is there anyone who the show hasn't aired yet for? Can you tell me what channel it is on for you and what time (with your time zone)? I'm trying to find a live stream online.

 

[Magdalyn]

I wish she hadn't interrupted him...what was he gonna (BBM above) say here?

agreed. And between the 'wouldn't hurt him' (which, according to language analysis,IIRC, is not a reliable denial. DIDN'T hurt him, would be reliable.)

....and then he jumbles what kind of father/mother are you...I found that very interesting that he stumbles over his words right after his not so reliable denial, then, since it appears to be his favorite passtime, turns his hurting/not hurting Dylan... into an attack on her motherhood? :waitasec:

 

[Eileen730]

Is there anyone who the show hasn't aired yet for? Can you tell me what channel it is on for you and what time (with your time zone)? I'm trying to find a live stream online.

Eileen I believe I read those in colorado will see it at 4 in some areas and at 5 in others

 

[Confusion]

Whether Mark is responsible for Dylan's disappearance or not, I don't know, but I have absolutely no doubt that Elaine believes with every fiber of her being that Mark is responsible. Her emotions are raw and very real and when she speaks about him being disappearing Dylan, it is with great conviction.

I'm sure her emotions are raw and real, but I see more anger than grief - although I see a lot of both. You obviously believe everything she says is true, but I have my doubts about several things I heard (from both of them.) I guess that's why there are usually 6-12 people on a jury; it's not always good to make a decision based on just one person's perceptions. MOO

 

[TxLady2]

"MR: Well they told me that I failed it. Then they told me it was inconclusive… and there was some question about the person giving the polygraph as to whether or not they were capable of performing that… polygraph test…"

Does anyone know if this could possibly be true?

Yes, it can. LE has been known to tell a person they failed the test just to get a reaction. If it's not the reaction they expect, then they will tell them it was inconsistent. As far as the person not being capable of giving the test, that's possible too. It takes years of experience to be good at it. FBI has the best polygraphers in the country. Also, I've heard that they can manipulate the results to make it appear the person failed it.
The thing to know is, polygraphs are NOT lie detectors. They measure the body's reaction to stress, and they are not reliable 100% of the time. That's why they are not admissible in court. They simply do not prove whether someone is guilty or innocent. Mark could have been telling the truth on the show.

 

[tiredblondy]

I hate to say this but it may be good for Dylan, if the ratings are high Dr Phil may pursue this further. It's a shame it takes ratings to drive something like this,

 

[katydid23]

Since I can't watch the show live, I've just watched all of the clips and read what's been posted here. I'm sure I'm missing a lot because of that, but I still have opinions (what a surprise!)

I have no doubt that both parents are grieving, but the anger/hatred? seemed much more obvious in both of them than grief. I also feel like neither of them is being totally honest in their answers/statements. What I was seeing was two people who have many years of pent up anger and resentment, in addition to a devastating loss, and they both desperately want to believe that the other is responsible because it's better than the alternatives.

I'm not even sure if either of them realizes they're not being honest, but I don't think that either of them really believes deep down that the other one did anything to him. MOO

I hope you get a chance to watch the entire thing, because I know you are an intelligent and objective person.

If you watched the whole thing then you might notice what my future DIL just noticed: MR showed very little emotion and NO grief. He showed bitterness and some anger, but ZERO grief.

 

[ICUDOUCME]

I can't really say I am on here much since this all started, as I really had a hard time with dealing with all this, and have just been keeping up with Dylan's information from my couch with our local news, and the local newspapers, which I am sure you all have seen or searched. I have to say this now and feel very sad. I am praying that the cadaver dogs have hit on some other person that has gone missing because I would rather want to believe MR has his son somewhere...Can I put my head in the sand and pretend we didn't hear about the cadaver dogs? Heres praying Dylan is safe

 

[Chili Fries]

I'm sure her emotions are raw and real, but I see more anger than grief - although I see a lot of both. You obviously believe everything she says is true, but I have my doubts about several things I heard (from both of them.) I guess that's why there are usually 6-12 people on a jury; it's not always good to make a decision based on just one person's perceptions. MOO

I don't necessarily believe everything she says, but I do believe she sincerely believes Mark is responsible.

Her anger doesn't surprise me at all, we see it at this stage in other cases like this. Elaine on Dr Phil today reminded me so much of Tina Porter on Dr Phil 7 years ago - she angrily pleaded over and over with her husband's best friend to tell her what he had done with their children. Unfortunately he had killed them (but that doesn't mean I'm sure the same thing has happened here).

 

[Angelonline]

I just finished watching the show and have not read anyones posts on this thread yet. I wanted to post my observations while they are fresh on my mind and before reading anyone else's take on the show.
--- Dr. Phil has too many commercials!!!
--- Dr. Phill seemed well informed on the case.
--- Elaine Redwine is a broken woman.
--- MR said a Samsung Cell Phone was taken during the search of his home (new info to me)
--- MR claimed ER spoke to a divorce atty first thing after she found out Dylan was missing. ER says this is a lie. (new info to me)
--- MR states he communicates with Dylan daily and tells him "we are brining him home" very odd statement to me.
---MR claims ER hangs out with criminals types... Does not eloborate on this.
--- MR confirmed that he kept oldest 2 sons longer than allowed on a visit (police report that some asked our VI for here is shown)
---MR confirmed that he hid Cory and Dylan twice.
---MR claims ER has history of alcoholism and says she had to go thru some type of court ordered treatment. She did not disagree.
---MR partially admits to previous DV with first wife, IMO
---MR says the police told him he failed polygraph, also that it was inconclusive. He stumbles on the word "results" when asked.
--- Several times MR looked smug, IMO
--- I do not believe that ER called MR after he texted her. That is one statement from her that did not ring true to me.

--- I bawled the entire program, it was very difficult to watch.

 

[TxLady2]

That kind of sounds like they first said he failed to try to scare a confession out of him and when that didn't work they changed strategy to play nice and maybe get him to take another one.

EXACTLY!!! This strategy is not uncommon at all.

 

[Seajay]

Just finished watching the show. I have not read anyone else's opinions or dissections because I don't want my own skewered. I'm still absorbing what I saw today.

We did get some things confirmed, ER agrees with the 9:30 or so text to a friend of Dylan's. Now that is cleared up we don't have to give two timelines in our discussion. It was not 8:01 pm it was somewhere around 9:30 pm.

There are apparently two witnesses that saw Dylan that morning after Mark left, the postal worker and a neighbor. I would really like to hear from LE on this and what they found when they investigated it.

Every time I saw Dylan's picture I wanted to cry. Every time I saw his name I wanted to cry. I just want that little boy home to his family. They can sort out their carp later, Dylan just needs to be home.

Nothing I saw has changed my opinion. I do have a better picture of ER though. More depth to her, more of what she's like on a day to day basis. IMO, JMO, MOO and I make no apologies for it.

 

[SCHMAE]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8937271&posted=1#post8937271

Link to the new ' regular' Dylan thread for discussion !
This one is for Dr Phil talks .

 

[SmoothOperator]

LE have known about the mail person since day 1.. it was not Dylan and that was established long ago with LE CLEARLY STATING THERE HAVE BEEN NO SIGHTINGS OF DYLAN.. believe me I hung onto that sighting for a long time as I once too was looking everywhere BUT AT MR.

IMO THERES NO DOUBT ABOUT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE AND MY HEART HURTS SO BADLY FOR DYLAN AND WHAT HE WENT THROUGH AND WAS FORCED TO DEAL WITH IN THOSE HOURS AND MINUTES LEADING UP TO HIS DISAPPEARANCE.. I CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH HIS YOUNG MIND...THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL!!

 

[TxJan1971]

MINI CLIP – DR. PHIL
Caption:
Mark describes his actions after he returned home and Dylan wasn’t there. And, Elaine explains why she’s suspicious of Mark Video

http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/1988/


MR:
When I got home, the TV was on and it was on to one of the Nickolodeon channels that he’s always watching. I didn’t notice his backpack not being there. There was a fishing pole at the house and it was Dylan’s fishing pole. That fishing pole was never found. I did lay down and take a nap for probably no more than an hour. I started looking for him at 2:30 or 3:00 in the afternoon. I contacted his friend that he had been texting the night before. They hadn’t heard from him all day, so that’s truly when it started to set in. Where’s Dylan?

I immediately went to the LE people. While I was at the Marshall’s Office I contacted
Elaine and asked her specifically had she heard from him. That’s where the finger started getting pointed at me -- right then and there -- like I had some involvement. The next thing I know I’m getting a call from my divorce attorney who had been contacted by her attorney. Quite frankly, I find that just a little odd, that the first person you contact is your divorce attorney. This is before we even truly knew that Dylan was missing.

The Sheriff’s Office people showed up here. They were canvassing the area and checking out a few places he could possibly be. They took sweat pants, a Samsung cell phone, my iPod. People wanna’ say that I’m behind it. I absolutely had nothing to do with Dylan’s disappearance.

Dr. Phil:
Well, Dylan’s mother, Elaine, says nothing her ex-husband, Mark, says adds up and his explanations seem suspicious.

ER:
When I found out Dylan was missing, my first gut reaction was: Mark! Dylan texted me the night that he arrived where his dad lives and that was the last time I heard from him – 7:06 p.m. He didn’t like spending time up at his dad’s cabin because it was so isolated. Monday the 19th Mark texted me and asked me if I had heard from Dylan. It was very disconcerting that I was 6 hours away and he’s asking me that question. Apparently, when he got home at 11:30 and Dylan wasn’t there, he decided to take a nap. Mark’s facts are grossly incorrect about everything. I never spoke with a lawyer. I do believe Mark has something to do with Dylan’s disappearance. I do believe he knows more. He’s done everything other than look for Dylan, and that’s what makes me suspicious. I have more concern over my lost dog than he has over his lost child. He wanted control over all of us. The story that he’s providing is not consistent with who Dylan is. Dylan absolutely did not run away. He had nothing to run away from. Dylan was a texter. It doesn’t make sense that he stopped texting that night. If Dylan was just going out to see his friends that day, he wouldn’t have taken all of his belongings. None of his belongings have been found. Mark talks about his backpack and a fishing pole. Dylan is NOT a big fisherperson. He didn’t even know how to thread his own line. Dylan was not watching Nickolodeon. Dylan watched MTV. He doesn’t know his kid well enough to make up a good lie. I believe Mark was the last person to see Dylan.

 

[NC Analyzer]

EXACTLY!!! This strategy is not uncommon at all.

Agree. It's also a pretty good indication that LE is VERY aware and has MR right in their sights. They may say he hasn't been "named" a suspect, but IMO, he is the number one "unnamed suspect". :rocker: