CO Father of missing baby 25 years ago reaches out to parents of baby Lisa

[Mountain_Kat]

I am not losing confidence in LE but I sure don't think a fresh set of eyes can hurt in this case. Looking at it from a different perspective can not hurt as far as I am concerned.

Shouldn't the fresh set of eyes belong to someone with some investigative experience, though? I mean, I have a fresh set of eyes too, but I'm a farmer. Not exactly the most helpful expertise in finding a missing baby or bringing a quilty party to justice. Unless, of course, the guilty party is a cabbage worm.

 

[Kamille]

I'm sorry, did I misstate that? I thought it was reported that the person was seen walking out of the woods. My apologies if that isn't correct.

No annalia...that was definitely what was reported and made a big deal of by the "team". But apparently a seasoned, retired NY cop/PI and a high profile NY attorney think that those two little trees on the corner there constitute "woods". Must be a New York thing? :crazy:

And it worked. The "man coming of the woods" is now well ingrained in this case. :banghead:

MOO

 

[Just K]

And then walk out of the woods into bright lights where you could be easily recognized?

With cars spotlighting your every step.

No "specialist" would have bent that screen either...it actually went up and down quite freely...no need to bend it inward.

 

[In da Middle]

Shouldn't the fresh set of eyes belong to someone with some investigative experience, though? I mean, I have a fresh set of eyes too, but I'm a farmer. Not exactly the most helpful expertise in finding a missing baby or bringing a quilty party to justice. Unless, of course, the guilty party is a cabbage worm.

Have the cabbage worms actually been cleared yet??

From my understanding, he is working with investigators here and from the Examiner piece, they are sharing with LE.

 

[In da Middle]

I'm sorry, did I misstate that? I thought it was reported that the person was seen walking out of the woods. My apologies if that isn't correct.

Reporters have stated that there are woods there, but all there is there are a few trees. The lot on the sw corner there is a treed lot. The lot on the se corner is an overgrown lot. That's all. Obviously the reporter that stated this has not even looked at the lot in the daylight. Then others kept repeating it as fact without actually looking at what they were talking about.

 

[treeseeker]

Just to state the obvious, but no special training is necessary to walk into an unlocked, lit-up house while mom is passed out drunk and lift a 30lb baby from a crib.

 

[annalia]

I am not losing confidence in LE but I sure don't think a fresh set of eyes can hurt in this case. Looking at it from a different perspective can not hurt as far as I am concerned.

Fresh eyes can't hurt but someone can't just go on tv and say they've named a suspect, especially without even having full access to the police files. That can hurt in many different ways.

Listening to what he used as his reasons behind naming this person, it seems to me to be irresponsible at best.

I do feel for this man, God Bless him with everything he has been through, I don't know how I'd survive all that time. But not everyone is cut out to be an investigator.

JMHO

 

[Chewy]

I don't think he'd name him like this unless he was pretty sure.

And doing the math here, we've got a situation where the guy is fighting with his wife and wants to start a scene. Could be, and if he's going through a divorce proving his wife is an unfit mother might be something on his mind. Perhaps he felt by abducting the baby while the two women were getting drunk he'd shed them in a very negative light. Then perhaps he accidentally did something to the baby.

We wind up going in circles.

The thing is, the person who took that baby, IF someone took that baby, had to know that he or she could get in and out of the house without being seen. And nowadays people have cell phones that take pix, maybe that is why the person scooped up the cell phones.

But the idea that a random stranger did this is very odd.

 

[Sherbie]

I am not losing confidence in LE but I sure don't think a fresh set of eyes can hurt in this case. Looking at it from a different perspective can not hurt as far as I am concerned.

I agree that fresh eyes might not hurt, but I'd rather that fresh set of eyes belonged to the FBI, or at least some LE entity that has access to all LE knows to date, not to someone on the fringe who goes on TV to announce he thinks he's solved the case.

More, I shan't say. :innocent:

 

[Chewy]

You all do know that GA is a former LE and has worked with solving child abductions for the last 25 years. How much more qualified do you want him to be?

 

[NancyA]

Mr Abeyta really isn't doing himself or this family or LE any favours with his constant finger-pointing at the neighbour. If, in the, IMO unlikely, event the neighbour is involved LE don't need GA to tell them what to do. Frankly though, I think he is reaching - no, make that stretching - for parallels with his own case in respect to the 'revenge' angle. As for the rest, I've got the music to Mission Impossible playing on my mental jukebox (which is actually a welcome relief because, since last night after all the rhyming games with Dane and Shane, I had "The Rain In Spain Stays Mainly on the Plain" from My Fair Lady stuck on play/repeat) - I mean I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next person but I am struggling with the entire notion of any branch of the military being routinely trained as baby-snatchers - surely not, no, not even for the blackest of black ops.

 

[NancyA]

You all do know that GA is a former LE and has worked with solving child abductions for the last 25 years. How much more qualified do you want him to be?

Frankly, I don't ask for him to be more 'qualified' just to confine himself to passing on what he knows or thinks he knows to LE rather than making himself investigator, judge and jury in this case based on nothing more than some very bad video footage, a dubious ID by a witness who didn't come forward for more than a week after it happened and the fact that this man MAY have had reason to think DB and/or JI were somehow responsible for his marital problems.

 

[JeannieC]

Have the cabbage worms actually been cleared yet??
From my understanding, he is working with investigators here and from the Examiner piece, they are sharing with LE.

BBM LE looked into them and moved on..................:floorlaugh:

 

[Sherbie]

You all do know that GA is a former LE and has worked with solving child abductions for the last 25 years. How much more qualified do you want him to be?

No, I don't know that he is former LE. Do you know where I can find that info? I thought his daughter who posted here at one point said he was on a police commission board or something, not an actual LE officer.

I tried to find his occupation on Google - ran across this 1991 NY Times piece on him that says, "Mr. Abeyta, who quit his job as a Federal labor official to devote full time to the search for his son..." http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/23/w...nts-his-stolen-son.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Maybe he was LE before/after his labor official job?

 

[natsound]

If it's the neighbour's husband, wasn't he cleared? I thought he passed a poly and was cleared by LE. :waitasec:

No one has been cleared. Police made that definitive statement last week.

 

[CathyinTexas]

I wish they would have allowed him more time (Gil) more time - I found this interesting - especially the last line....


ABEYTA: I`m saying to you that we have prepared a document naming a suspect near the family that has the experience, had the opportunity to be able to do this. Also, I want to add that that had the training to do this. Remember that -- training to do this. And so --

Yes, JVM seemed to be cutting him off, and I'm not sure it wasn't intentional. I too, wanted to hear what HE had to say!

 

[CathyinTexas]

I doubt he got it from LE too. I thought it could be possible to have come from the family but then remembered him saying that he didn't speak to them for very long. Maybe an extended family member? Maybe a defense attorney? Or maybe he is just gathering up the little bit that he's seen in the media and tried to put two and two together.

We do have lots of theories but we're not going on TV and saying it as fact.

JMHO

In the little bits he did say, I thought he meant that it is someone in the family or close to the family that he suspects.

 

[natsound]

I worry that Gil's statements are a distraction for us and a frustration for LE.

 

[Chewy]

http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...te-potential-suspect-profile-submitted-to-fbi

"I was chosen for this," Abeyta said. "I had education and training to help me before I started my search for Christopher, and then countless other people's children. But would I have chosen this life?" he asked. "No, I would have chosen a normal life," he said.

Maybe I got the LE wrong, but he does have the training and education that helped in the past. However I would suggest that a man who has been focused on finding Missing Children for the last 25 years is probably way way way more qualified than the LE in solving this case.


He's the President of Families of Missing Children.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

By a person well trained in security forces?

I've been trying really hard not to post comments about this case....only because the mom's statements/actions/behavior is leading me down the path of her guilt.....don't wanna go there.
BUT, in my mind, I'm pretty certain someone part of OR associated with this motley crew of characters knows something OR did something to this baby.

So, that said, this is half "tongue in cheek", but, since things can't get more convoluted and bizarre in this case, I'm almost expecting the scenario of someone in an Ambien induced sleep walking "episode" being used as an excuse for why someone would be just walking around, aimlessly, in full view, with a baby in their arms.

Sorry if it's been said before...for anyone who said the same thing in any of the threads....I agree with you!!