CO Father of missing baby 25 years ago reaches out to parents of baby Lisa

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Just to state the obvious, but no special training is necessary to walk into an unlocked, lit-up house while mom is passed out drunk and lift a 30lb baby from a crib.

You're right but how would the person know mom was passed out drunk, no other adults were in the house and nobody else would spot them getting in and out of the house? ie neighbours

 

[mck16]

Does the neighbor have an alibi for that night/morning?

 

[Sherbie]

http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...te-potential-suspect-profile-submitted-to-fbi





Maybe I got the LE wrong, but he does have the training and education that helped in the past. However I would suggest that a man who has been focused on finding Missing Children for the last 25 years is probably way way way more qualified than the LE in solving this case.


He's the President of Families of Missing Children.

Thanks, Chewy. I appreciate your taking the time to find that. I am sure he's learned the ins and outs of missing persons investigations over the years, but I will have to disagree that he is way more qualified to solve this case than the combined investigative forces of KCPD and the FBI.

 

[Donjeta]

Does the neighbor have an alibi for that night/morning?

Here's something:

Brando's husband told CNN that he spent the night of Oct. 3 with a friend. He showed CNN texts between him and his wife on Oct. 3. At 10:33 p.m., the neighbor wrote to Brando that he loved her and their daughter and to kiss her goodnight. Brando responded at 10:54 p.m. that she and their daughter loved him too.

The man told CNN that he went to bed. He got up about 5 a.m. to go to his job at the Whiteman Air Force Base. The man said he received a call from Brando at 5:59 a.m. Oct. 4 to alert him that Lisa was missing.


The man said he worked his scheduled shift and rushed back to Kansas City afterward to see if he could help in anyway find the baby. The man to that end he cooperated with authorities when they focused on him, allowed his home to be searched repeatedly and ultimately took the polygraph test last week

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15953146/neighbor-says


I think few people have an alibi in the middle of the night when almost everyone else is sleeping, but the friend might have some idea. We don't know where the friend he stayed the night with lives or whether the friend observed the man sleeping and getting up at 5. He apparently has a cell phone so the cell pings might tell the police something about where he was. Not fool proof since it's possible his phone was somewhere he wasn't, but anyway, they would know where he was at 5:59 when he got the call. The people at the AFB would presumably know when he turned up for his shift. Google maps says that this AFB is about an hour and a half away from Baby Lisa's address so you have to factor in some driving time if he was where MT saw someone at 4 am. I assume it could go a little faster during the night, if you don't mind speeding.

 

[Donjeta]

Which missing children cases has Mr. Abeyta solved?

 

[Chewy]

You'd have to ask him, I just heard of him two days ago.

 

[Chewy]

Thanks, Chewy. I appreciate your taking the time to find that. I am sure he's learned the ins and outs of missing persons investigations over the years, but I will have to disagree that he is way more qualified to solve this case than the combined investigative forces of KCPD and the FBI.

Oh right of course. The FBI yes, the KCPD I don't think is as prepared. But the FBI probably is because I'm sure they are sending in experts. Seems to me the cops are learning how to be experts with this case.

:twocents:

 

[Velouria]

Have the cabbage worms actually been cleared yet??

From my understanding, he is working with investigators here and from the Examiner piece, they are sharing with LE.

Ever tried to polygraph a cabbage worm?? :dunno:

 

[Chewy]

Unless he had someone else return the text message for him.

 

[Patty G]

As I listen to Issues now with Gil on the show, it is clear he is implicating the SB's husband "JB".

IMO, it is time for Gil to go home.

 

[Donjeta]

Anyway, I think Mr. Abeyta might find that LE was already there before him. They investigated the neighborhood on the earliest days and searched homes there. I don't know when GA submitted his investigative report but I bet LE was already familiar with the guy.

 

[Chewy]

Considering he said that he felt they dismissed him too quickly, I think he knows that too.

 

[cowtowner]

Shouldn't the fresh set of eyes belong to someone with some investigative experience, though? I mean, I have a fresh set of eyes too, but I'm a farmer. Not exactly the most helpful expertise in finding a missing baby or bringing a quilty party to justice. Unless, of course, the guilty party is a cabbage worm.

The experience of a man who's baby was abducted and has spent 25 years looking for his child and others as well as living that reality is pretty appropriate, IMO.

We want people looking for this baby and trying to figure out where she is or who took her. GA is doing that. As a member of the community, I'm glad for it.

Is media is giving him a bigger megaphone than the rest of the world vis a vis his experience? Yeah, they are. I also find that he's using that tool as responsibly as he can. And he's promulgating the story to national media which is keeping it top of mind for some folks not living with it day by day.

 

[annalia]

Re: the neighbors husband, how would GA know that that LE dismissed him too soon? He has also said that the family shut him out so how could he discount them as being involved?

It's obvious from the Examiner article that his accusations are coming from speculations.

And looks like his reasoning behind accusing the neighbor and the revenge aspect, is because Lisa's disappearance is so similar to what happened to his own child. His child was taken from his crib and it's thought to have been an ex, done out of revenge.

His focus may stem from reliving his own child's disappearance, not on hard facts.

JMHO

 

[mlc9852]

Does the neighbor have an alibi for that night/morning?

CNN correspondent Jim Spellman spoke about the neighbor -- Brando's husband -- on Jane Velez-Mitchell's HLN show Thursday, saying, “The woman who lives next door to Deborah Bradley, this is the woman that Deborah Bradley was drinking with on her front stoop that night,” Spellman noted. “We’ve wondered all along where was her husband. This man is an Air Force Reserve, an airman in the Air Force Reserve. He’s currently called up doing that.”

He continued, noting the man was not at home the night Baby Lisa vanished because he and his wife were having problems and a marriage counselor suggested they attempt a trial separation. Thus, the neighbor, “...ended up crashing on a friend’s sofa.”

According to Spellman, the neighbor also told him he has cooperated with the investigation into Baby Lisa's disappearance and that police have ruled him out as a suspect in the case.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-na...-saw-man-with-baby-says-he-resembles-neighbor

 

[Chewy]

I wonder if the neighbor herself may have done something wrong? Maybe heard the baby crying and came back into the house, hence the lights on and have taken the baby?


This case is so bizarre.

 

[treeseeker]

You're right but how would the person know mom was passed out drunk, no other adults were in the house and nobody else would spot them getting in and out of the house? ie neighbours

Good point. But it could have been someone casing the neighborhood. Or someone dropping by and finding things as they were. IMO special ops tactics of some sort just seem out of place here. Just unnecessary.

 

[Abby Normal]

Honestly, I think Gil is just 10 steps behind LE. I think LE found reasonable suspicion with him too if they wanted a poly. They investigated him, and then moved on. Gil is just now getting to the reasonable suspicion part.

Or so it seems.

 

[Turnadot]

While I respect Mr Abeyta and his work with families of missing children, I don't respect the finger-pointing at the neighbour. Mr Abeyta may be former LE, but he is not privy to the different LEA's investigation of this case and has no business pointing a finger at the neighbour. None at all. LE has already been all over the neighbour, even gave him a polygraph. If Mr Abeyta has information that will help, then he can take it to either the local LE working the case, or the FBI and leave it that that.

There's a world of difference between us Jane and Joe Q. Public here at WS and someone like Mr Abeyta, because of who Mr Abeyta is, he carries a certain weight and a responsibility, and it's not responsible to run to the media and publicly point fingers without evidence - former LE or not - actually, being former LE, I would have expected better from Mr Abeyta.

I'm terribly sorry his baby was abducted, but that doesn't make his current public finger-pointing without evidence OK.

JMHO, of course.

ETA: If he IS former LE. I have not found confirmation of that.

 

[Chewy]

How can they move on?

The baby is missing? It is either some random stranger who stalked the family or something, or it's someone who knows them.

It's one thing not to consider the person a suspect but quite another to just "move on" from dealing with a potential witness to the family.

Seems weird.


Curious though if JI may have shown someone at Starbucks that night, a picture of his daughter who then would know dad was occupied at SBs and go to his home?