Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #37

[Angels27]

There’s over 1000 pages of discovery. That’s a lot. I can’t wait to see it. But it also makes me wonder if there’s so much because they don’t have any really damning slam dunk stuff. Will it all be circumstantial evidence. Is that why there’s mountains of it. Why haven’t they found his body yet, when they said at arrest presser they were getting close and narrowing the search.

To me the most damning thing of all is the fact that Al either kicked her out, or she fled, very early on. That speaks volumes. How soon did that take place tho. If not on Day 1, then maybe the 2 daughters didn’t have anything important to tell. Dad would have asked them either on phone or in person almost immediately, What happened? Where’s your brother? Etc. Maybe they couldn’t talk tho if she was looming nearby. It seems like she vacated the place pretty quickly tho. Most people wouldn’t just come home, accuse their spouse of killing their kid, and kick them out right away unless they had really good evidence. That kind of stuff they can’t take back.

It took Kyron Horman’s dad a while to kick Terri out, they never found a body, and she was never tried for anything.

I think in this case tho they have solid proof that a murder occurred, I just wonder in what form.

 

[Warwick7]

There’s over 1000 pages of discovery. That’s a lot. I can’t wait to see it. But it also makes me wonder if there’s so much because they don’t have any really damning slam dunk stuff. Will it all be circumstantial evidence. Is that why there’s mountains of it. Why haven’t they found his body yet, when they said at arrest presser they were getting close and narrowing the search.

To me the most damning thing of all is the fact that Al either kicked her out, or she fled, very early on. That speaks volumes. How soon did that take place tho. If not on Day 1, then maybe the 2 daughters didn’t have anything important to tell. Dad would have asked then either on phone or in person almost immediately, What happened? Where’s your brother? Etc. Maybe they couldn’t talk tho if she was looming nearby. It seems like she vacated the place pretty quickly tho. Most people wouldn’t just come home, accuse their spouse of killing their kid, and kick them out right away unless they had really good evidence. That kind of stuff they can’t take back.

It took Kyron Horman’s dad a while to kick Terri out, they never found a body, and she was never tried for anything.

I think in this case tho they have solid prove that a murder occurred, I just wonder in what form.

When this goes to Trial----it is going to shock us to the core.

 

[Angels27]

No, that is not always true, regardless of length of trip. It may be out of the norm for TS, but in and of itself, could be completely innocent. At least for the Monday errand run. For Tuesday, that phone should have never left her hand waiting for any word about her stepson.

Did she leave it at home on Monday on purpose? I think so of course, but that doesn't make it 100% certain.

With regard to crime I never believe in coincidences. If two unusual things happen together they are almost always related. G going missing and her forgetting her phone. Related.

I see what you mean though, a defense attorney could bring it up, but trust me, they will have way bigger fish to fry. Least of T’s worries.

 

[10ofRods]

Folks keep mentioning how not having her phone is such a red flag. It's interesting yes, may be significant, but also may be completely innocent. She may have run back inside to use the bathroom and just left it sitting on the counter. That's completely normal. Yeah that might not be typical for her but not having it doesn't mean she's guilty of anything. Taken as a whole, it is interesting, but at this point nothing more.

Yep. And she appears to have been tracked by her Apple Watch anyway. Or the truck itself. Or her own car. And certainly the rental car (IMO). And maybe the Switch (that tries to connect to Subways?) Who knows?

I'm guessing there was plenty of digital footprint to enable getting the right security footage for both Monday and Tuesday.

 

[NCWatcher]

That's a good point. Many question why she rented the car at 8:50am when Al's flight wasn't due in until around noon. Could be since she parked her car at the airport, she left her phone in her car, and drove to where ever in the rental car.....so the phone pinged at the airport the whole time....easy to say she was just hanging out there waiting for Al's flight. But that only accounts for about a 3 hour window, she had the car for 28 hours, so that goes back to the question of the phone for the rest of that time.

BBM

I don't believe we actually have an MSM or LE link saying AS's flight was due in at noon. I don't think we even know whether he flew into CS or Denver. At most we have had references made to vague SM posts saying "neighbors" said his flight back arrived around midday. I believe those references also said he flew into Denver.

If I'm wrong, I'd love to see a link.

Renting a car never made sense to me. But IF AS flew into Denver midday, and TS was going to get him in the rental, she'd pretty much have to rent it around the time she did. And if he flew into Denver, that would explain some of the mileage on the rental.

Links, please!

JMO

 

[kittythehare]

MOO changing her story so many times is highly relevant.

When did you first realize you left your phone at home?

With a child in kindetgarten and a sick kid with you why didn't you go back for it?

Indeed it is and when that is coupled with a search on Gannon's phone about it's tracking ability it goes well beyond poor sleuthing, it enters the realm of probability and it rates it highly.

 

[SleuthBee]

I'm curious if she had a prepaid phone that she thought no one knew about and LE got her pings from that.

Oh my is that ever a clever thought. Wow!

 

[10ofRods]

Context is everything.

If TS didn't have her phone with her on Tuesday while she was driving that rental, it raises all kinds of red flags.

If she left their house without her phone at any point on Tuesday, there is no innocent explanation.

Her 11-year-old stepson was missing. LE had been alerted. A missing person's report had been filed.

There is no circumstance under which it would be "normal" for a parent not to have their phone on their personage at all times on the day after their 11-year-old stepson "ran away."

JMO.

And, actually, also Gannon's phone (he would know his own phone number - he might call it; also, if he had made arrangements with some mysterious abductor as she claims in one of her tangents, then...that person might call).

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Thanks to @GordianKnot (https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...so/20CR1358/001/Complaint and Information.pdf) I am able to sleuth every person on the witness list (which I love doing!).

One of the persons is an FBI Victims Specialist located in Charleston, SC. My sleuthing also led me to the job duties of this type of specialist:

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/...ederal-bureau-of-investigation-fbi-1338911392

As an FBI Victim Specialist, you will provide direct assistance services to people who have suffered direct or threatened physical, emotional, psychological or financial harm as a result of violent crime, severe trauma, acts of terrorism and/or acts of fraud. These services may involve crisis intervention and acting as a liaison with other local agencies that provide services to victims of federal crimes.


*I realized that this was a bad case but good grief I had no idea it was this bad & went this deep. And deeper I’m sure.

 

[HaikuMommy]

I have no idea and we should report.

Honest question. In the Websleuths rules, it says we can paraphrase social media posts by someone who is a POI, such as LS. What if a topic came up from a LS post on SM? It says we can't talk about SM rumors posted by COMMENTERS on those same social media posts, which I haven't seen anybody do. I've only seen people *barely* paraphrase LS's post about it... and mostly seen people do their own speculating about it without mentioning SM at all. Is this not allowed? It seems to me nobody is breaking the rules, but I could be wrong!

 

[Warwick7]

Indeed it is and when that is coupled with a search on Gannon's phone about it's tracking ability it goes well beyond poor sleuthing, it enters the realm of probability and it rates it highly.

You are right, well beyond.

 

[Angels27]

I just realized that once T left the home, she must have taken her daughter with her bc she was there on the back-of-head interview. Wow, I wonder if that means she coached her and the girl never told Al or LE what she really knows. If she had said anything damning to them about T, she would be furious and the girl wouldn’t be living with her. So we can only hope AL’s daughter knows something. Although I’d think if she did T would have somehow shut her up, with threats or something.

 

[SLouTh]

FYI:

The Complaint Info, Charges, Witness List, etc is added to the Case Archive, Justice Section,
begins here:
3/11/20 Page 1, Complaint and Information. Charges.

Gosh this is an an impressive list... thank you for sharing....

Please pardon my ignorance with my questions.... I have never followed a US Case before... But Gannon has touched so many people around the world.....including me....

What is the difference between a Witness from "Federal Bureau of Investigation" (FBI) and the ones that are listed as just Fbi ?

How long did LS spend in Myrtle beach?? Longer than we possibly think?? as there seem to be many witnesses from there..

Does Avis Rent a Car own Budget Rentals? as Budget is not listed .... (just thinking about the rental receipt / hire car)

There is a "Nintendo Specialist" listed and I'm not very familiar with a Switch - but was wondering do they also have a GPS component?? Or possibly they can tell the date and time Gannon last played It???

Just noticed Big Wave Car Wash.... that is just interesting and not a question.... Wonder when that occurred?

Enterprise Rent a Car - Is this possibly how LS traveled to Myrtle Beach??

Al is on the list - are you allowed to testify against your legally wed spouse in the US?? (I know he has filed for divorce)

I am assuming a Minor - eg Gannons little sister could be the one listed as C/- Gannon's NOK ???

Also there is REDACTED written in "Red Color" on the first page ... Does this mean that possibly they are adding to the list??


So this extensive witness list is in addition to 170 Warrants ..... Just wondering can there also be an evidence list in addition to this - E.g. evidence obtained without a warrant? Or is all evidence in the US attached to a Warrant?

They seem to have built a very impressive case in such a short time compared to Aus....... it is amazing!

Many thanks if you can help me out.... Just trying to my head around the complexity of this case... Thanks again...

Edit to add @MassGuy can you help me out with some of these please...

 

[AnnaGrace]

BBM:

I think she may have wanted to keep her own car out of eyesight.
That may have factored into her decision to pick up the rental at the airport.

I keep going back to her baked-in story about GS cutting his foot in the garage:
Gannon Stauch: Missing boy's stepmother releases statement

“Saturday Night, G was helping me unload in the garage and cut his foot because there are a lot of tools because Albert does woodworking,” the statement said. “He sat on the edge of the car and we bandaged it up. He was good to go.”

I don't like that mention of the car in the context of GS having "cut his foot," because it seems to me that she's trying to explain away forensic evidence, i.e, blood, that could be found in/on the vehicle.

In her account, she said "car." She didn't say truck. I think it's her car she was talking about.

I think she may have stopped and gotten her car washed after she dropped the rental back off at the airport on Wednesday.

I know a lot of people favor the idea that TS moved GS's body in the rental, and it's certainly a possibility, but I'm not entirely sold on that scenario yet.

Presumably, TS had her phone with her when she went to pick up AS at the airport.
He would have called her when his flight landed.
If she "left it at home" for a second straight day, that would look beyond suspicious, especially given the fact that GS had been reported missing.
What parent wouldn't have their phone glued to their person in the event of their child being missing?

Aside from picking up the rental at the airport, we know almost nothing about TS's movements on Tuesday.

In addition to providing some hints as to where TS went in the truck on Monday, the witness list probably provides us some clues regarding where she went in that rental car on Tuesday.

I'll be very, very interested to learn where TS's phone was on that Tuesday.

JMO.

I know and I agree with all you're saying. I've thought a lot about her car too and the injured foot story. I was never sure which vehicle she was saying he sat on the edge of but thought it most likely her SUV. And that she knew blood would be or may have already been found there. So, are you thinking that Gannon was never in the rental car and her vehicle was used to move the body?

 

[Frig]

MOO changing her story so many times is highly relevant.

When did you first realize you left your phone at home?

With a child in kindetgarten and a sick kid with you why didn't you go back for it?

The lying liar is the one that told us about the phone being left home on Monday, so we don't even know if that's a fact.

Anyway, people have been travelling in cars for a 100 years without phones successfully, even with kids in school and with sick kids. Sometimes it's just not worth it to go back for a number of legitimate reasons. Sometimes people leave phones home intentionally (gasp!). That does not make them guilty of anything.

Was it innocent in this case? Probably not, she appears guilty as sin, but still doesn't make it a fact... yet.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

No, that is not always true, regardless of length of trip. It may be out of the norm for TS, but in and of itself, could be completely innocent. At least for the Monday errand run. For Tuesday, that phone should have never left her hand waiting for any word about her stepson.

Did she leave it at home on Monday on purpose? I think so of course, but that doesn't make it 100% certain.

Running around with a sick child without a phone. HMMMMMMM. Does not make sense. Unless of course it's intentional, and you neither care about sick child,or you don't want to be tracked. MOO

 

[Pink2017]

IKR?!!!
I giggle when I think about this!

Giggles too. Burner activation? Requires ID. Who bought the burner?

 

[kpalma71580]

Oh my is that ever a clever thought. Wow!

Thank you I see Verizon on the witness list, which could of been their plans, but she could of possibly all ready owned a pre-paid Verizon phone also. She could of easily bought a card from 7/11, & go or any gas station.

 

[GordianKnot]

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So, I look at the phone being left at home from a completely different angle.

It is one fact in the case. It is one piece in a very large puzzle.

TS has been arrested and charged with the murder of GS.

The prosecution has over 1,000 pages of discovery evidence so far.

TS and GS are seen on video leaving in the truck on Monday morning.

TS is seen returning alone on Monday afternoon.

In light of all the known facts, the most logical explanation for TS not having her phone with her during that trip is that she didn't want the phone, i.e., her digital footprints, to be tracked.

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JMO.

 

[Angels27]

When this goes to Trial----it is going to shock us to the core.

Wait til they release it. Hope everyone’s got their year’s supply of popcorn. Lol