Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #37

[squareandrabbet]

Gosh this is an an impressive list... thank you for sharing....

Please pardon my ignorance with my questions.... I have never followed a US Case before... But Gannon has touched so many people around the world.....including me....

What is the difference between a Witness from "Federal Bureau of Investigation" (FBI) and the ones that are listed as just Fbi ?

In my experience, we cannot determine much from the above. That is to say, in my experience as a legal secretary:

Generally entities that are "to be served" with information (subpoena; regular old paper filings in connection with court cases), the process server just "drops and runs" their envelope containing the service papers, because the process server is just some random messenger-type bloke, and cannot be expected to make decisions as to whom they are delivering. (Case in point; stereotypical movie scenes where private detectives/citizens/etc. are running down the fire escape to escape being served with subpoenas.)

Anybody can lie about it ("no, that person doesn't work here"), etc.; so, to make it easier and more efficient on the process servers, etc., attorneys/paralegals/etc. are required to make sure they have "the best" address possible to which to deliver the subpoenas.

When they or their secretaries are looking for this information, they rely upon the U.S. Postal Service database. (So, coincidentally, does Federal Express at minimum - I know this for a fact because that is the database their "Address Checker" uses to draw down information. I suspect DHL, UPS, etc., do the same; but I cannot be certain.)

Therefore, when in doubt, an attorney is going to opt for whichever address that the US Postal Service states is the proper one.

If the USPS has the company's name as "Federal Bureau of Investigation", "Federal Bureau of Investigation" it shall say.

If it says "Fbi" (sic), well, in my opinion it probably says "Fbi" because the postal database service does; or because it's the best information and belief the person drawing up the service list possessed. Maybe this is someone's home address, for example, and they are a private consultant to the FBI instead of being "full FBI"; but the person drawing up the service list endeavored to make sure this clued the person accepting service, into the fact that they were being served on account of their capacity working for the FBI; and not as a personal matter.

IMO, JMO, MOO, on my best information and belief.

Do people buy second hand phones in the U.S?,here in the U.K people sell phones all the time,a contract ends and they get an upgrade so they sell the old one,and you can buy a prepaid sim card in most local shops,petrol stations,supermarkets etc, so in theory a burner phone doesn't have to be a brand new purchase,that kind of defeats the object of a burner for a criminal lol.
I also came across at least 3 old phone in a drawer that I cleared out yesterday that more than likely still work.

Yes, people "wipe" to factory settings and then resell secondhand phones all the time. This generally depends upon whether or not the phone carrier is offering more or less money for "trade-in" on a new phone, than you would get for said phone on the open market. (Fun and potentially lifesaving fact; any cell phone will dial 911/your country-specific emergency number, even without a phone service or plan. This capability is enabled regardless of your payment status or standing with the phone company; and is enabled largely, I believe, because indigent folks have to be able to have the lifesaving capability (homeless; victims of domestic violence; etc.).

 

[10ofRods]

To use RDs camera, it is RD himself they will have to put on the stand to authenticate it.

Not true. There are various ways to handle evidence of this type. Prosecution would be better off putting the officer who collected the footage on the stand. Even better, if they have one person who collected lots of surveillance video and can tell a whole story about what it shows.

In the end, RD's is going to be but one of many videos in evidence. They're not going to call every loss prevention person to the stand, nor every Subway manager, nor every gas station manager.

Instead, they'll call a seasoned investigator to the stand, possibly an FBI person, who will give the jury the facts about how that footage was collected. I don't think anyone on the defense side is going to try and claim that someone sneaked into RD's house and planted fake footage, later collected by LE.

They will speak about the manner of collecting the videos, but in this day and age I think a jury knows how a digital recording works and that is easy to send them by email or put them on a thumb drive. The expert they put on the stand can verify that they saw RD at his home on such and such a date, etc., and then collected the video.

My worry is that with so many videos involved, the jury will get bored, confused or tune out. So they need to manage that testimony and use experts, not each individual ever contacted by police. That long list in the doc is typical of what is shown to a judge to get the arrest warrant in the first place.

 

[nyvictoria]

Not on a long trip like that. She would have turned around and driven back to get it the second she noticed it missing. Most people use gps for longer trips even if they know route well just to check traffic and best routes for that time.

My car has GPS built in so I don’t need my phone for gps. Not sure about her cars.

eta: I have friends my age and older who don’t always bring their phones along. My kids, in their 30’s, and their friends would never go anywhere without them. My daughter has driven an hour and had to turn back to get her phone even though her boyfriend had his phone with them. Young people are tethered to their phones.

 

[lilithblue]

But we do have that babysitter interview that mentions "spanking" and states that AS was the "spanker."

She never explicitly says that he spanked the kids or that he was the "spanker." I keep seeing this said, and it isn't entirely accurate.

“She never even spanked those kids. She wasn’t the one that would get on them. Albert would do that."
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Gannon Stauch's babysitter says she believes stepmother is innocent

 

[Feistyomi]

Yes, and I feel as though she would have gotten rid of him before she went on the long journey to establish her alibi.

Gannon is my hero!
IMO She would have gotten rid of the most incriminating evidence first, IMO a logical person would have placed Gannon in a place he could have run away to, even tho she transported him by truck, she needed his death to be accidental, so anything from that point, construction, well, rocks. IMO, once she left him some where, she expected to liesplain everything else...were she stopped, routine traffic stop,etc. Kinda hard to liesplain away an critically injured/ ill boy...she may have headed toward hospital, just in caseMOO

 

[Happygolucky123]

TS decided to take the rental car through the washer. Who the (*insert explicit word here*) washes their rental? I use rentals quite frequently but I've so far never taken one to the washer like my own car, that's one of the bright sides of using them! And that's a service I pay for, as well.

The only reasons I can think of for ever washing a rental is me using it for an extensive period for work and I have to look somewhat representative, or I need to wash away something I don't want the rental company to see... or the police to find if I'm up to no good.

She had the car for little more than 24hrs, right? I'm thinking the rental is key piece to this bizarre and tragic puzzle. Hopefully she didn't do a good job in washing away potential evidence.

MOO

what was her explanation for the car wash? I’ve been very fortunate to never have a child missing, but I can’t imagine that a car wash would be on my mind.
maybe that’s just me though...

 

[Tealgrove]

TS decided to take the rental car through the washer. Who the (*insert explicit word here*) washes their rental? I use rentals quite frequently but I've so far never taken one to the washer like my own car, that's one of the bright sides of using them! And that's a service I pay for, as well.

The only reasons I can think of for ever washing a rental is me using it for an extensive period for work and I have to look somewhat representative, or I need to wash away something I don't want the rental company to see... or the police to find if I'm up to no good.

She had the car for little more than 24hrs, right? I'm thinking the rental is key piece to this bizarre and tragic puzzle. Hopefully she didn't do a good job in washing away potential evidence.

MOO

RBBM

Do you have an MSM link indicating that TS took the rental car to the car wash? This is new information to me.

If true, that is bizarre. I would think if any vehicle was going through a car wash it would be the truck. She needed to make it look like nothing happened in Al's truck I would think.

TIA

 

[Boxer]

Not true. There are various ways to handle evidence of this type. Prosecution would be better off putting the officer who collected the footage on the stand. Even better, if they have one person who collected lots of surveillance video and can tell a whole story about what it shows.

In the end, RD's is going to be but one of many videos in evidence. They're not going to call every loss prevention person to the stand, nor every Subway manager, nor every gas station manager.

Instead, they'll call a seasoned investigator to the stand, possibly an FBI person, who will give the jury the facts about how that footage was collected. I don't think anyone on the defense side is going to try and claim that someone sneaked into RD's house and planted fake footage, later collected by LE.

They will speak about the manner of collecting the videos, but in this day and age I think a jury knows how a digital recording works and that is easy to send them by email or put them on a thumb drive. The expert they put on the stand can verify that they saw RD at his home on such and such a date, etc., and then collected the video.

My worry is that with so many videos involved, the jury will get bored, confused or tune out. So they need to manage that testimony and use experts, not each individual ever contacted by police. That long list in the doc is typical of what is shown to a judge to get the arrest warrant in the first place.

All true except in this case if there is intentionality in those driving clips MOO the jury will not be bored. Seeing the time go by while a human doesn't self correct and drive themselves to the police station but persists in executing an elaborate cover up is horrifying and compelling. The minutes ticking in the jury box, as they watch her as she passes this place, then that place by make real what happened.

 

[10ofRods]

" I don't know what else her phone-leaving is associated with (or even if it's true), but it's interesting that she pre-splains it. Then says she was tracked by her watch. 10ofRods"
I think that she really thought she could not be tracked when she left her phone at home. It was later that she realized that her watch had that capacity. Websleuths had conversation early about that possibility. She may have even first realized about the watch problem when she read it here! At that point she knew she would have to start explaining away all her movements for that Monday trip....MOO

I've thought about that too (that she might have been reading here). I agree that she truly thought she was untrackable when she set out that day. If she had loaded Gannon in the truck while it was still parked in the street, their own Ring camera would have captured her. So she moves the truck to the driveway, not realizing that RD"s camera is catching her.

The amount of surveillance video that LE had to review surely was cut down by her Apple Watch data.

We haven't seen RD"s video from Sunday night (we can see stills from that video on his TV screen in his interview), or from earlier on Monday. Neighbors certainly have talked to police. I think there's a ton of stuff we don't know.

Once Gannon is found, I think MSM will provide a bit more information (which they already have, but have not officially published).

Meanwhile, I keep thinking about how LS wanted to be a sugarbaby at age 28 (she married AS at approximately age 30-31). I think of his comment, "I gave you more than I gave any other woman." I think about the look in her eyes on that Last Photo of Gannon (the one from GoG, the one she took that ends up on the missing poster). I think AS will take the stand and his testimony will be more than enough to convict her. She knows she's toast.

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[10ofRods]

She never explicitly says that he spanked the kids or that he was the "spanker." I keep seeing this said, and it isn't entirely accurate.

“She never even spanked those kids. She wasn’t the one that would get on them. Albert would do that."
​

Gannon Stauch's babysitter says she believes stepmother is innocent

So, I guess the babysitter's utterance can be seen as completely disjointed. "Get on them," to me, refers back to "spanked the kids."

What do you think "get on them" means in this context? What is it that you think she means "Albert would do"?

Sounds like a "wait till your father gets home" scenario to me, and includes spanking as well as other "getting on the kids."

 

[Boxer]

what was her explanation for the car wash? I’ve been very fortunate to never have a child missing, but I can’t imagine that a car wash would be on my mind.
maybe that’s just me though...

MOO the cameras these places have are my thought.

 

[crhedBngr]

Good Morning, Everyone.

Here for Gannon.

Today's treats:

 

[lilithblue]

So, I guess the babysitter's utterance can be seen as completely disjointed. "Get on them," to me, refers back to "spanked the kids."

What do you think "get on them" means in this context? What is it that you think she means "Albert would do"?

Sounds like a "wait till your father gets home" scenario to me, and includes spanking as well as other "getting on the kids."

I think she means Albert was the disciplinarian in the family. I don't think we can determine anything beyond that from her quote. Even at that, we're relying on the word of a seemingly not very bright occasional babysitter.

 

[Spartygirl]

Do people buy second hand phones in the U.S?,here in the U.K people sell phones all the time,a contract ends and they get an upgrade so they sell the old one,and you can buy a prepaid sim card in most local shops,petrol stations,supermarkets etc, so in theory a burner phone doesn't have to be a brand new purchase,that kind of defeats the object of a burner for a criminal lol.
I also came across at least 3 old phone in a drawer that I cleared out yesterday that more than likely still work.

Oh Yes !!
Every time I upgrade my phone, I sell my old one.
Same as everyone in my family.
I think my daughter did give her old one to her daughter but other than that, we sell all our phones.

 

[MsBetsy]

Or was caught driving by on camera.

Yes, I suppose the same is true for any of the stores or businesses listed. They could have been places her vehicle was caught on camera at a certain time.

I'm still curious about the white Jetta. That is the car that was pulled from the garage on Monday night. TS mentioned Gannon hurting his foot in the garage and sitting on the car.

 

[floridamomma]

what was her explanation for the car wash? I’ve been very fortunate to never have a child missing, but I can’t imagine that a car wash would be on my mind.
maybe that’s just me though...

She never had an excuse for it.
My daughter often ran away and even though I was sure she ran away my first and only thought was to track her down.
(I often mention my mess, but my 3 adult boys are rocking life!)

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I think she means Albert was the disciplinarian in the family. I don't think we can determine anything beyond that from her quote. Even at that, we're relying on the word of a seemingly not very bright occasional babysitter.

Babysitter,and friend.

 

[Feistyomi]

I've thought about that too (that she might have been reading here). I agree that she truly thought she was untrackable when she set out that day. If she had loaded Gannon in the truck while it was still parked in the street, their own Ring camera would have captured her. So she moves the truck to the driveway, not realizing that RD"s camera is catching her.

The amount of surveillance video that LE had to review surely was cut down by her Apple Watch data.

We haven't seen RD"s video from Sunday night (we can see stills from that video on his TV screen in his interview), or from earlier on Monday. Neighbors certainly have talked to police. I think there's a ton of stuff we don't know.

Once Gannon is found, I think MSM will provide a bit more information (which they already have, but have not officially published).

Meanwhile, I keep thinking about how LS wanted to be a sugarbaby at age 28 (she married AS at approximately age 30-31). I think of his comment, "I gave you more than I gave any other woman." I think about the look in her eyes on that Last Photo of Gannon (the one from GoG, the one she took that ends up on the missing poster). I think AS will take the stand and his testimony will be more than enough to convict her. She knows she's toast.

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Gannon is my hero!

Do we have any evidence, or even one liesplain that Gannon went anywhere in that truck, after leaving the driveway(per RDvideo)

IIRC she has not given any info on what HE did on that journey, no BK, no nothing...

why wouldn’t a kid want to go in Petco, especially one w/ new puppy,

no sightings of a kid in that car? Until the LE evidence is released, I gotta believe He was too risky, even bundled up, lying down

IMO, I always wonder when I see a school age kid out of school during school hours, in the days before homeschooling, I would jokingly ask the kids, what are you doing...?

if I ever had an outraged parent respond that would have been hinky...ding ding ding dang... we do have her arrogance to factor in.First thing she took care of. Then off on her wgc. JMO Justice for Gannon!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Not true. There are various ways to handle evidence of this type. Prosecution would be better off putting the officer who collected the footage on the stand. Even better, if they have one person who collected lots of surveillance video and can tell a whole story about what it shows.

In the end, RD's is going to be but one of many videos in evidence. They're not going to call every loss prevention person to the stand, nor every Subway manager, nor every gas station manager.

Instead, they'll call a seasoned investigator to the stand, possibly an FBI person, who will give the jury the facts about how that footage was collected. I don't think anyone on the defense side is going to try and claim that someone sneaked into RD's house and planted fake footage, later collected by LE.

They will speak about the manner of collecting the videos, but in this day and age I think a jury knows how a digital recording works and that is easy to send them by email or put them on a thumb drive. The expert they put on the stand can verify that they saw RD at his home on such and such a date, etc., and then collected the video.

My worry is that with so many videos involved, the jury will get bored, confused or tune out. So they need to manage that testimony and use experts, not each individual ever contacted by police. That long list in the doc is typical of what is shown to a judge to get the arrest warrant in the first place.

You're saying that verified attorney riolove77's post is "not true".

Can you post a link that backs up your claim.

Thanks.

 

[MsBetsy]

I think she means Albert was the disciplinarian in the family. I don't think we can determine anything beyond that from her quote. Even at that, we're relying on the word of a seemingly not very bright occasional babysitter.

Yes, that's how I interpreted it to mean, that Albert was the one who disciplined them. The baby sitter also mentioned that she and TS were friends, but they hadn't seen each other in awhile. I wonder if TS got in touch with her and asked her to stress that she wasn't the one who disciplined them.

Imo