Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #43

[Aloe]

I'm shocked and in quite disbelief that LE missed the vw tig at the airport short term parking.
they know via AS that TS picked AS up at the airport in a strange car....it was a place she had frequented.
her picking AS up in a hire car wouldn't that lead them straight to checking the car park for how she got here in the first place???
seriously ...im not even gunna bring up the educated assumption by most here that gannon was in the trunk of the black tig in the garage more than likely when LE arrived for the 'runaway' narrative.
Lucky TS is dimwitted and handed the entire case to them on a silver platter because if she had of had some smarts........I just don't know

they even let her get to the other side of the country with him under their noses. with the resources thrown at this case.....its just not good enough

lucky the DA was onboard early in the piece is all I can see positive here.

moo

^^^This.

Almost seems as if she really wanted to be caught. And now she'll be parked in long term. IMO

 

[Aloe]

Since there is a door leading from the house into the garage and blood was found leading to it, why would she go to the much more exposed gate?
Is tbe door tbat opened 10x the door to the garage? I have to go back and look.

IIRC It was the door to the back yard.

 

[Rosiebones]

Some of those door openings into the backyard may have been to let the two dogs in and out, either at the same time or singly. I wonder if LE checked the dogs for blood on their paws or paw tracks through the house.

 

[NCWatcher]

The case being made so far in this AA, submitted before the additional evidence of the body, is that LS murdered Gannon in his house in his bedroom sometime on or around 1/27. Also that the video surveillance provided by the neighbor is unclear and inconclusive.
I have read posts on WS in which the poster believes, due to said video, that Gannon left the house alive on the morning of 10/27 and did not return; this is where there is doubt. If she killed him within the 4 hour trip away from the house then she couldn't have killed him in the house.

I am just curious about what posters think a jury would believe if the case were presented as it has been in the AA. vs the doubt created by the neighbors surveillance video.

That is all I was asking. I was not asking if "anyone on here doubts that LS is guilty of all charges" as you stated in your interpretation.

@Aloe I understood exactly what you were asking. But I don't think it will be a problem.

Still to be honest, there isn't really a definition of "reasonable doubt" so in their minds, occasional jurors do interpret "beyond a reasonable doubt" to mean "no doubt." No doubt about exactly what happened and no doubt about exactly when and where it happened and no doubt about exactly why it happened. Rarely is it possible to produce (admissable) evidence to fully satisfy all those questions. And we all know motive doesn't have to be proven but many jurors do want to know that (just as most of us here do!)

The Casey Anthony case illustrated those juror preferences, IMO. I won't go into my thoughts on that case because I had a post relating CA to this case deleted for being OT. But I think the forensics are more solid here. For example, they have alot of blood/DNA evidence including blood spray with GS's DNA on shoes with TS's DNA inside.They also have GPS data.

Still, jury selection will be important. And I hope they don't sequester the jury. IMO that can lead to odd jury decisions.
JMO

 

[stattlich1]

She was clearly fishing. If you read the prior paragraph, it helps form the argument that no one told her a thing, but she knew she was a suspect because she killed Gannon.

Funny enough, she sent that text about an hour after likely dumping Gannon’s body.

On page 23, #147 in the Affidavit, LS says "Every conversation that's said, even at this moment, I can hear inside."

In that paragraph, LS references a "minor child". Would that be HH?

Also, do you suppose LS was standing outside the home when she sent that text, listening to the conversation inside?

 

[Bbybluz]

Doubt as to where the murder occurred, doesn’t change the game. A juror could doubt that she killed him in his room, and it’s not like that creates reasonable doubt as to her guilt.

This is almost certainly going to be a moot point come trial, as the prosecution will have more test results, to include the autopsy and blood splatter analysis.

I don’t anticipate the murder scene changing, but we’ll see.

Hi MassGuy is there a stronger case against LS based on “Where, When or How”? Do they need all 3 to convict or just one?

Curious here & you sound like a smart cookie.

 

[Bbybluz]

On page 23, #147 in the Affidavit, LS says "Every conversation that's said, even at this moment, I can hear inside."

In that paragraph, LS references a "minor child". Would that be HH?

Also, do you suppose LS was standing outside the home when she sent that text, listening to the conversation inside?

I thought perhaps on the phone with HH listening & texting them.

 

[kaen]

I thought perhaps on the phone with HH listening & texting them.

Or, through a system like Alexa or an Echo where one can "drop in" on a place to monitor it.

 

[Bbybluz]

I'm learning much from all of you here and very grateful.

Aloe I agree with you 100%! I sit back in the corner & observe, read, & watch the Thread action with so many intelligent questions and answers!! I have been learning so much myself. The Awe of Justice forming before us to give a voice to G in this case so his story is heard.
No doubt in my mind these Threads within WS are closely watched by LE. I mean if I was working on a case as a LEO I would assign someone to do just that.
Scrappy Doo’s fur mom (WS creator - sorry I forgot her name oops ) is one of my hero’s.

 

[Bbybluz]

Or, through a system like Alexa or an Echo where one can "drop in" on a place to monitor it.

Oh true I forgot about those devices! Great point!

 

[Hatfield]

That’s not lying, that was a calculated decision. They weren’t about to sabotage the investigation to appease the public.

This has become pretty standard practice in cases like this (police don’t say they are investigating a crime until an arrest is made).

This case is a good example why LE likes to keep things quiet until they are ready to make an arrest.

One reason is to help ensure that the suspect does not have time to take counter-measures and begin planning lies and fake aliases to counteract specific charges that will come down.

LS was all over the place with her lies as she was guessing what LE was finding out. Had she known specifics beforehand, her lies and planning would have been more focused.
To a smarter perp, they could actually come up with some decent fake aliases and fake excuses if the perp learns what LE knows.

The perp always knows what they already did, but they dont always know what LE has found out. That difference can affect which counter measures they may take to try to avoid arrest.

 

[Bbybluz]

Some of those door openings into the backyard may have been to let the two dogs in and out, either at the same time or singly. I wonder if LE checked the dogs for blood on their paws or paw tracks through the house.

^^^^^This

especially the spots on the stairs.

 

[HundredAcreWood]

Just a quick reminder that there is no back gate. There is no exit from the back or side of the property.

The only exits from the property are: the front door, the double garage door, the 'side gate'. All of which face the front, towards Mandan Drive.

There is a back sliding door, which opens into the backyard. The backyard is fully enclosed except for the 'side gate' which exits onto Mandan Ave.

You can see the gate to the left of the garage in the attached pic.

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Thank you for the picture. I noticed other house back yards facing her backyard. It would be interesting to know if LE has any security cam pictures from those houses that might have captured what was going on with all that opening and closing of the sliding glass doors.

 

[Boxer]

Yes, I agree with you that this was their reason and that this has become standard practice.

However, it is my opinion, no matter how unpopular, that it amounts to misleading the public in a lie.

Did you want them to state publicly at some point that the case was transitioned to a criminal investigation?
I can see that. Obvious it was a criminal investigation.

 

[NCWatcher]

Some of those door openings into the backyard may have been to let the two dogs in and out, either at the same time or singly. I wonder if LE checked the dogs for blood on their paws or paw tracks through the house.

Tracking by the dogs certainly should be considered but I'd think it would be pretty clear to LE if blood spots had been tracked. It wouldn't be single blobs but every time the dog's bloody foot hit carpet blood would be deposited in gradually fading amounts. Maybe only the first few impressions would be detectable by the naked eye but fading spots would show with Luminol just like fading blood patterns from human steps. And the dogs are small so the footprints would be very close together. I doubt the dogs' paws would show blood days later though.

I'm not sure of the breed of one of the dogs except I've read here it was small. Supposedly the Frenchie "Sadie" was 3-4 months old at the beginning of March according to the divorce papers. If that claim is correct, that means she was 2-3 months old at the end of January. Frenchies are tiny and built kind of low to the ground. Not at all sure she could even climb steps of a normal height at that age. JMO

 

[Ontario Mom]

Thank you for the picture. I noticed other house back yards facing her backyard. It would be interesting to know if LE has any security cam pictures from those houses that might have captured what was going on with all that opening and closing of the sliding glass doors.

There are so many houses on Mandan Drive that have either Ring type doorbell cams, or higher end video surveillance cams, that I think LE had more video recordings to sift through than they expected. I do recall in one of the pressers, the assistant DA made mention of how much video they have. This is one area where technology really is a blessing to LE and their investigative teams.

 

[Hatfield]

Or, through a system like Alexa or an Echo where one can "drop in" on a place to monitor it.

Right or even a home security system.

I have some security cameras that are the typical ones that use a Smart Phone to interact with my cameras. There is a "live view" feature where I can take out my smart phone and hit that button and it immediately shows me a live shot from the camera as well as live sound audio from the room the camera is in.

I have most of my cameras outside but I do have one inside as well in case a burglar ever gets inside.

 

[HundredAcreWood]

Yep, I agree, no doubt in my mind.

I am just glad that I was able to make myself understood...hard for me to articulate sometimes (so please, no apologies). I'm learning much from all of you here and very grateful.

I know I have that problem when it comes to what I am actually thinking and what is put on paper. I know what I am saying and my thought process, and when someone says something completely different from my thoughts, I go back to read it and I think Oh, I can see how you see it that way, and then someone else will see it another way, and then some will know exactly what I was saying. It is nice to know our brains don't have to be a "group think". We all seem to have thinking skills here. Interpretation is going to be different with each person.

 

[Megnut]

Just hit me -- the "minor child" was in the house the evening of the 28th, likely when LE was present, asking questions.

This is likely prior to TS getting a late-night pickup from Powers and Carefree, by her personal chauffeur, HH.

There's our answer!

After that pickup, not only did TS never go back home (to sleep), she nabbed her daughter, and off to a hotel they went, with no underthings.

No one kicked her out IMO and no one kicked HH out. TS did a duck(face) and run because she HEARD the questions LE was asking!

(I can't help but to wonder if TS prepacked a getaway suitcase, just in case.)

(I wonder if there's more visible evidence, with snow gone, at Palmer Lake. Has LE been back there?)

(I wonder too whom TS is blaming for the forgotten roll of carpet. Maybe Eguardo is married to Zanny the nanny and their imaginary offspring made TS forget to grab it. She doesn't seem to kick herself over obvious stupidity, but I think it's probably safe to say, she wants to kick SOMEBODY.)

Back to my original thought: I think HH was stilll living in the house on the 28th, with no expectation of leaving. When LE questions circled around TS, I can imagine a dutiful, mother-saving daughter excusing herself from the room, to call her mother (there's a phone record I'd like to see!). If such a thing happened, my guess is TS asked her minion to re-join the conversation, with her phone on, so TS could listen and learn what LE knew.

We know she's not averse to using people. We know she has a penchant for pocket recordings. And we know she was desperate to know what LE knew and likely FROTHING AT THE MOUTH, that people were talking about her behind her back.

I said it before, I'll say it again: she's a piece of devil's work.

I said this before too, and I'll say it again, SHE is the reason her daughter had no underpretties. Just like SHE is the reason her daughter was handcuffed (if we believe any part of the story); TS had the keys. TS was obstructing justice.

HH has been living in the vortex of her mother's narcissism from birth.

Just one more life TS used -- and then discarded.

What a sad, sad trail of destruction...

JMO JMO JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

kudos to linking the back door opening 10x to TS statement about gannon constantly checking the back gate.
I don’t remember hearing that theory before.
I kind of just dismissed it, but I should have known she was presplaining something significant.

I got the idea from someone else on the thread, not my original thought, just for the record.

jmo