Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #12

[JTR1973]

You think that having good sound on a search story is sensational?

(Are we sure that's a microphone in any case?)

I was just speculating but yes I would consider it somewhat sensational to get sound from feet. *shrug*

 

[wendybtn]

This is entirely possible. I keep thinking about one person I knew well in my life (who was in fact Cluster B), my aunt (so I can write about her here, and she is no longer with us, so I feel it's okay). (Scroll if you're not interested in reading this long post on personality disorders!)

My aunt was, superficially, a wonderful, giving, often funny person (at least, she thought her antics were funny and her siblings sometimes agreed - although, in true borderline fashion, she had managed to split the entire family when she was a teen ager and her oldest brother had not spoken to her since she was 17 and would not be in the same space as her, so that I rarely saw that uncle - my aunt controlled when he could attend family reunions because he would not have his own family around her, I never got all the details of why, but I know enough to understand his decision). She would love-bomb people and my parents used to talk quietly about whether she would eventually turn on me (I was a baby when I first met her) the way she'd turned on every other kid in our family (including her own daughter) when they got to a certain age. My dad said "She likes dogs and babies, but when kids get a mind of their own, she can't stand them."

ANYWAY, that aunt repeatedly disciplined her own daughter (a lovely, sweet girl) by threats of or actual abandonment. For example, leaving her daughter by the side of the road (on the road to Vegas, in Colorado, in Los Angeles). The little girl would sit down and cry. Dad said Barb never moved from her spot. After some time, Aunt F. would come back and ask her if she was sorry and put her back in the car.

That's just one example. My cousin was born in 1938, so I suppose my aunt thought it was safe to do this, but truthfully, I don't think my aunt ever thought about that aspect of her tantrums and fits. She threw things, she ranted, she insulted, then she love-bombed the victim. She did this with both husbands. My dad blamed her for the death of her first husband (long story, I should do a blog). It was an "accidental" death caused, my dad says, by Uncle Ralph's emotional distress and distraction due to something my aunt did/was doing. She tormented her (very passive and submissive) second husband in my presence and when I went to spend a week with her (what were my parents thinking???), he was my ally and savior. She withheld food from her own child (and from me, when I visited) in order to get control. She deliberately made food that her daughter hated in order to mock the daughter or control and punish her. She did this to my dad, too, and to my mom, and to me. She did it constantly to her husband. She had to invent new crap to make in order to accomplish this. It's almost unbelievable.

I still don't know exactly why my aunt was like that. Her father was Antisocial PD, possibly a narcissist. She grew up around him, the younger kids didn't. Her father was a violent man, but never actually hit her (he beat the boys). She was sort of abandoned (she was sent to be a maid for Grandma's cousin when she was 14 and everyone said that's what changed her, but I don't know about that). It's true that she was pretty much on her own from age 14.

My aunt did a long series of minor criminal acts, for which she was either excused or never caught. It's mostly minor stuff (although some of it would be major theft if the victim had filed a report - she took things from the homes of elderly friends and relatives, through a variety of ruses or just outright stealing, but always with an excuse). She constantly violated traffic rules.

She lied blatantly and constantly, usually to sew discord. She loved practical jokes and people who didn't know her well (like neighbors and members of her church) thought she was generous and funny. She loved to get me gifts (up until about age 9-10), usually getting the gifts at garage sales or thrift stores - but I loved them. I still remember the night she decided I was awful. I was doing homework (long division) and she didn't like how I was doing it (teacher taught me). BTW, my aunt liked to pretend she had been a teacher in Kansas, but now that I think about it, that had to be a lie. I don't think she even had a job after being a maid in her teens. So my uncle said we should have a competition. He'd dictate long division problems, my mom would solve them on a calculator and we'd see who was faster and more accurate. I won. She threw a hissy fit (and in fact, ended up leaving our house in the middle of the night, we didn't see her for months, my dad said it was great and my mom even agreed). After that, no gifts of course. In fact, about a year later, she took some of the gifts back (packed them in the middle of the night and took off).

That last example is a classic narcissist move. Unbelievably, she couldn't handle a "narcissistic injury" (any slight or perceived slight to her self/self-esteem) and was of course highly reactive and emotionally labile. The tantrums, throwing things, destruction of property (etc) are more borderline-ish.

When she was 90 years old, she was diagnosed with a brain tumor (that had probably been growing for 5-6 years) but my dad always wondered after that if she had had something organic wrong with her for years...I don't think she did. Sometimes I think maybe her poor brain just couldn't take it any more. Day to day, her life was so dramatic and full of turmoil. Her daughter and family eventually moved far, far away and ultimately, stopped giving her their address for fear she would just turn up (she would have).

That also sounds very much like borderline personality disorder. All that chaos.

 

[osu]

Video:
Brandon Thompson on Twitter

The reporter answered when someone asked about the “microphone looking object” on Twitter.


Brandon Thompson

Another photographer getting sound for his story.

5:14PM - 2/14/20

Brandon Thompson on Twitter

 

[10ofRods]

That can't be how you search for a small items though, wouldn't it be like looking for something through a slice of swiss cheese? But I didn't see metal detectors,isn't that strange, a jacket zipper or jeans rivets would be picked up.

We're only seeing a small part of the search. There are also dogs that sniff electronics (apparently)

If you do decide to blog, please will you let me know. Not only do you write in a most engaging fashion but you have also convinced me your diagnosis is correct.
I've been having real difficulty with the term' narcissist'. When it first came to my attention I immersed myself in the study of it... it was an answer to all questions. But the knowing brought no catharsis, no assimilation, the wounds remained deep and I have almost come to resent it's use now because it seems to be used for everything.
Thank you so much for opening my perception and it's not the first time you sent me pondering, we met on Erin's case.
Thank you.
IMO

Thank you. Your post made my day. I agree that the term is over-used (but really appropriate in this case, as far as we know).

Maybe I should start with my aunt (and just clean up what I just wrote). For people who have to deal with Cluster B family and friends, it can be interesting. I should mention that my aunt was born in 1909, which is part of the reason I am so interested in her life history. Christopher Lasch and others have argued that narcissism in particular began to rise in the 70's and especially the 80's (he calls it an epidemic and he's correct about the rise in numbers, diagnostically).

But my aunt was raised in rural conditions, in Colorado, Nebraska and Kansas, just after the turn of the 20th century. Some of the more manipulative "games" she played were mind-boggling in their complexity. If LS is the same way, then this case makes more sense to me.

 

[MsBetsy]

A possibility: SM is not involved in GS' disappearance, that GS did leave with a someone, that LE has not been able to determine identity/location of that someone but is basing search locations on a 'possibilities' list, a list of potential individuals who GS may have left with that afternoon.

As mnuch as I expect many of you on the forum don't want to believe this, it IS a possibility, regardless of how SM comes across through the filter of Social Media.

True, anything is possible. But if that's what happened why would she lie and say Gannon went to a friend's house down the street and then later say he may have been picked up by someone and that she told LE who may have sent that person and why?

She did sat she noticed that Gannon, on Saturday, kept going around to the side of the house so why wouldn't she tell LE all this when they first interviewed her?

Imo

 

[Winterhike]

True, anything is possible. But if that's what happened why would she lie and say Gannon went to a friend's house down the street and then later say he may have been picked up by someone and that she told LE who may have sent that person and why?

She did sat she noticed that Gannon, on Saturday, kept going around to the side of the house so why wouldn't she tell LE all this when they first interviewed her?

Imo

Agree that all of the information (or possibly misinformation) coming from her in several waves over several weeks adds to the confusion and the cloud of suspicion over her. I do think it's possible that she did say everything she's said to us to LE in the initial interview, but that only a few shreds of information were shared with the public at that point. My guess is that if she did tell them all of this, it was probably in just as convoluted a fashion as the statements and interviews she keeps releasing for no rational reason.

 

[Pink2017]

Interesting. I tend to think this whole mess is based on covering up an accident, but IF that isn't the case and some or all of it was premeditated, I wonder if whoever knows where Gannon is was checking the weather and knew about the impending snowfall.

I agree %—a terrible accident. I am still considering he got out of vehicle at store (if they went there, IDK I’d rumor).

 

[floridamomma]

I wish LE would say ANYTHING, as I want TS to say more....

 

[Justmythough]

Sorry if this has been asked and answered already, I can't keep up. The SAR dog experts mentioned that when tracking people the dogs sniff up skin cells. Are they able to do so if there is a few inches of snow on top of the skin cells?

 

[10ofRods]

That also sounds very much like borderline personality disorder. All that chaos.

Yep - for sure. She was not as severe a case as some I've met in inpatient studies but my aunt's life history shows just how far these people can fly under ordinary radar, how much day to day chaos they create, etc. I guess we all thought she was "normal enough" and tried to love and understand her. She was great at crafts and artistic projects. She did not engage in self-harm (which is where she shades over into narcissism). I do think that one day, these PD's will be restructured to show how narcissism, borderline and antisocial intersect (my aunt lied, stole, had interactions with the police, escaped justice, broke minor laws all the time...she engaged in fraud but the value of each instance was fairly low).

My aunt would have loved social media, eBay, Poshmark, etc. And every time she did something truly egregious, she had a huge group of friends who would pop out of the woodwork to support her...the dynamics of that are actually fascinating.

 

[Boxer]

Sorry if this has been asked and answered already, I can't keep up. The SAR dog experts mentioned that when tracking people the dogs sniff up skin cells. Are they able to do so if there is a few inches of snow on top of the skin cells?

Found this, and it seems avalanche SAR dogs can.
Dogs In Search And Rescue

 

[MsBetsy]

That also sounds very much like borderline personality disorder. All that chaos.

And people with BPD do tend to have narcissistic tendencies! Jmo

 

[mommadukes]

Interesting. I tend to think this whole mess is based on covering up an accident, but IF that isn't the case and some or all of it was premeditated, I wonder if whoever knows where Gannon is was checking the weather and knew about the impending snowfall.

My gut instinct has always been that she did not mean for him to die; things either went unexpectedly out of control, or happened accidentally. I think she was in the process of thinking of a cover story and driving to the hospital when he passed away. Either way, she is still a terrible, terrible person for not being honest and giving Gannon the dignity he deserves. Not to mention allowing his parents to continue to suffer when she knows darn well what happened to their son.

My husband gave me food for thought last night. He wondered if maybe Gannon had an Asthma attack, due to the stress of whatever transpired the night before. TS, being the unfeeling narcissist that she is, may have misconstrued the signs and not responded with appropriate medical intervention in time. I hadn’t considered that possibility before.

(MOO to everything in this post.)

 

[Boxer]

Hopefully someone can help me out here as I’m not sure if I am mis/remembering early parts or am relating to a separate case —

Wasn’t it mentioned the SM had a friend visiting and essentially leaving the day (approximately) Gannon went missing?

Also, is it speculated a cell phone was (intentionally) left at PetCo?

Social Media sources. Can't be discussed here. MOO,
You should hit report button on your message and ask to have it deleted.

 

[NCWatcher]

And people with BPD do tend to have narcissistic tendencies! Jmo

All the "Cluster B dramatic erratic" PDs overlap including Histrionic that hasn't been mentioned here.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

I’m just thinking something along the lines of she has a text on her phone saying something like “He’s the only one with a key to the gate” and she needed to put out an explanation for it. It may have absolutely nothing to do with the gate at their house, and everything to do with the area of interest. IMO

I’m liking this idea a lot. Sounds good to me.

 

[Boxer]

My gut instinct has always been that she did not mean for him to die; things either went unexpectedly out of control, or happened accidentally. I think she was in the process of thinking of a cover story and driving to the hospital when he passed away. Either way, she is still a terrible, terrible person for not being honest and giving Gannon the dignity he deserves. Not to mention allowing his parents to continue to suffer when she knows darn well what happened to their son.

My husband gave me food for thought last night. He wondered if maybe Gannon had an Asthma attack, due to the stress of whatever transpired the night before. TS, being the unfeeling narcissist that she is, may have misconstrued the signs and not responded with appropriate medical intervention in time. I hadn’t considered that possibility before.

(MOO to everything in this post.)

MOO case is hard without more info. But that seems a very likely scenario, more likely than physical violence.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

bbm

No one "filtered" her 2 appearances/statements. One was televised, one was released directly by her, in her own words.
Sure he could have left with someone else, I'm one who tends to believe he returned in the pickup, but no one filtered the only 2 sources of her own words that we can discuss here.

SM was her own filter.

How many people do you know have been interviewed by a reporter, accompanied by a camera person and also maybe a sound person, regarding a missing child who had been under your immediate charge? Depending on the level of stress and experiences in speaking to strangers regarding very delicate situations, we should expect her presentation might be different as compared to if she were participating in casual conversation with family members.

We filter ourselves.

 

[Winterhike]

My gut instinct has always been that she did not mean for him to die; things either went unexpectedly out of control, or happened accidentally. I think she was in the process of thinking of a cover story and driving to the hospital when he passed away. Either way, she is still a terrible, terrible person for not being honest and giving Gannon the dignity he deserves. Not to mention allowing his parents to continue to suffer when she knows darn well what happened to their son.

My husband gave me food for thought last night. He wondered if maybe Gannon had an Asthma attack, due to the stress of whatever transpired the night before. TS, being the unfeeling narcissist that she is, may have misconstrued the signs and not responded with appropriate medical intervention in time. I hadn’t considered that possibility before.

(MOO to everything in this post.)

I think I hypothesized this a couple of threads ago and still don't think it's completely impossible. It would fit with the seldom-mentioned detail that Gannon relies on "special medication" (although I think that was mostly strategic to increase the urgency of his case), statistically with his status as a prematurely-born baby. I can't see at this point how it would fit with her story about the foot cut in the garage/blood.

 

[jillycat]

bbm

SM was her own filter.

How many people do you know have been interviewed by a reporter, accompanied by a camera person and also maybe a sound person, regarding a missing child who had been under your immediate charge? Depending on the level of stress and experiences in speaking to strangers regarding very delicate situations, we should expect her presentation might be different as compared to if she were participating in casual conversation with family members.

We filter ourselves.

Who forced her to go on camera?