Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #12

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BBM. I keep seeing this mentioned, but what is it based on? I have seen obvious cases of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, but I just don't see it with LS.
It's largely based on every statement TS has made in regard to Gannon's disappearance.

Although there is no evidence of any type of diagnosis, I think it's pretty clear that she has narcissistic tendencies. At the very least she appears to be self-centered and more concerned about defending her character and actions rather than showing concern for her missing stepson.

She also seems to be inconsistent in her story and purposely leaves out important details which has led to a lot of confusion. If she does have a reasonable explanation for what happened then it's a mystery why she just hasn't come right out and said it.

It leads people to believe she is taking attention off herself and attempting to steer the narrative. It's manipulative behavior. She knows talking about the case is a huge hindrance to the investigation and will not help to find Gannon so why can't she just keep quiet?

If this isn't narcissistic behavior then I don't know what it is.

Imo
 
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A possibility: SM is not involved in GS' disappearance, that GS did leave with a someone, that LE has not been able to determine identity/location of that someone but is basing search locations on a 'possibilities' list, a list of potential individuals who GS may have left with that afternoon.

As mnuch as I expect many of you on the forum don't want to believe this, it IS a possibility, regardless of how SM comes across through the filter of Social Media.
No one "filtered" her 2 appearances/statements. One was televised, one was released directly by her, in her own words.
Sure he could have left with someone else, I'm one who tends to believe he returned in the pickup, but no one filtered the only 2 sources of her own words that we can discuss here.
 
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why would he put his microphone down near the snow? I think its something they use to search undergrown with.
Until I see a link, in my unprofessional opinion that does not seem like a reporter or microphone...Sorry, a little confused.
 
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I felt the same way. They are literally shoulder to shoulder in their search. Is that how you search for a body?

That can't be how you search for a small items though, wouldn't it be like looking for something through a slice of swiss cheese? But I didn't see metal detectors,isn't that strange, a jacket zipper or jeans rivets would be picked up.
 
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This is entirely possible. I keep thinking about one person I knew well in my life (who was in fact Cluster B), my aunt (so I can write about her here, and she is no longer with us, so I feel it's okay). (Scroll if you're not interested in reading this long post on personality disorders!)

My aunt was, superficially, a wonderful, giving, often funny person (at least, she thought her antics were funny and her siblings sometimes agreed - although, in true borderline fashion, she had managed to split the entire family when she was a teen ager and her oldest brother had not spoken to her since she was 17 and would not be in the same space as her, so that I rarely saw that uncle - my aunt controlled when he could attend family reunions because he would not have his own family around her, I never got all the details of why, but I know enough to understand his decision). She would love-bomb people and my parents used to talk quietly about whether she would eventually turn on me (I was a baby when I first met her) the way she'd turned on every other kid in our family (including her own daughter) when they got to a certain age. My dad said "She likes dogs and babies, but when kids get a mind of their own, she can't stand them."

ANYWAY, that aunt repeatedly disciplined her own daughter (a lovely, sweet girl) by threats of or actual abandonment. For example, leaving her daughter by the side of the road (on the road to Vegas, in Colorado, in Los Angeles). The little girl would sit down and cry. Dad said Barb never moved from her spot. After some time, Aunt F. would come back and ask her if she was sorry and put her back in the car.

That's just one example. My cousin was born in 1938, so I suppose my aunt thought it was safe to do this, but truthfully, I don't think my aunt ever thought about that aspect of her tantrums and fits. She threw things, she ranted, she insulted, then she love-bombed the victim. She did this with both husbands. My dad blamed her for the death of her first husband (long story, I should do a blog). It was an "accidental" death caused, my dad says, by Uncle Ralph's emotional distress and distraction due to something my aunt did/was doing. She tormented her (very passive and submissive) second husband in my presence and when I went to spend a week with her (what were my parents thinking???), he was my ally and savior. She withheld food from her own child (and from me, when I visited) in order to get control. She deliberately made food that her daughter hated in order to mock the daughter or control and punish her. She did this to my dad, too, and to my mom, and to me. She did it constantly to her husband. She had to invent new crap to make in order to accomplish this. It's almost unbelievable.

I still don't know exactly why my aunt was like that. Her father was Antisocial PD, possibly a narcissist. She grew up around him, the younger kids didn't. Her father was a violent man, but never actually hit her (he beat the boys). She was sort of abandoned (she was sent to be a maid for Grandma's cousin when she was 14 and everyone said that's what changed her, but I don't know about that). It's true that she was pretty much on her own from age 14.

My aunt did a long series of minor criminal acts, for which she was either excused or never caught. It's mostly minor stuff (although some of it would be major theft if the victim had filed a report - she took things from the homes of elderly friends and relatives, through a variety of ruses or just outright stealing, but always with an excuse). She constantly violated traffic rules.

She lied blatantly and constantly, usually to sew discord. She loved practical jokes and people who didn't know her well (like neighbors and members of her church) thought she was generous and funny. She loved to get me gifts (up until about age 9-10), usually getting the gifts at garage sales or thrift stores - but I loved them. I still remember the night she decided I was awful. I was doing homework (long division) and she didn't like how I was doing it (teacher taught me). BTW, my aunt liked to pretend she had been a teacher in Kansas, but now that I think about it, that had to be a lie. I don't think she even had a job after being a maid in her teens. So my uncle said we should have a competition. He'd dictate long division problems, my mom would solve them on a calculator and we'd see who was faster and more accurate. I won. She threw a hissy fit (and in fact, ended up leaving our house in the middle of the night, we didn't see her for months, my dad said it was great and my mom even agreed). After that, no gifts of course. In fact, about a year later, she took some of the gifts back (packed them in the middle of the night and took off).

That last example is a classic narcissist move. Unbelievably, she couldn't handle a "narcissistic injury" (any slight or perceived slight to her self/self-esteem) and was of course highly reactive and emotionally labile. The tantrums, throwing things, destruction of property (etc) are more borderline-ish.

When she was 90 years old, she was diagnosed with a brain tumor (that had probably been growing for 5-6 years) but my dad always wondered after that if she had had something organic wrong with her for years...I don't think she did. Sometimes I think maybe her poor brain just couldn't take it any more. Day to day, her life was so dramatic and full of turmoil. Her daughter and family eventually moved far, far away and ultimately, stopped giving her their address for fear she would just turn up (she would have).
Thanks for sharing your story.
 
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Here again for Gannon! I Do have a question because i know we aren't allowed to discuss things on social media, does that include the infamous candle video? I haven't seen too many posts about it so i figured we weren't allowed to discuss it, but i wanted to ask, because i would LOVE to talk about this video. I'm a few pages behind, trying to catch up, so apologies if this has been asked.
The video you're asking about was posted only on social media, therefore is is not available for for discussion here, per the mods (repeatedly). There have been many posts about it and most have been deleted because they violate TOS.
 
  • #150
A possibility: SM is not involved in GS' disappearance, that GS did leave with a someone, that LE has not been able to determine identity/location of that someone but is basing search locations on a 'possibilities' list, a list of potential individuals who GS may have left with that afternoon.

As mnuch as I expect many of you on the forum don't want to believe this, it IS a possibility, regardless of how SM comes across through the filter of Social Media.

Sure it is. In one scenario, where Gannon "goes to a friend's house" sometime after 3:15, and she says she has no idea which friend it is, he could have been abducted or gotten into the car of someone he knew. Too bad she has no clue at all which friend it was or which house.

But in the last scenario she gives, there's now a POI (according to her) that LE knows about (LE denies it) that she says Gannon met up with or walked with. Apparently, neither parent had enough of an idea about what friend is involved or which person may have met up with Gannon that afternoon (when AS is notified that Gannon is missing, around 6:30 pm, he apparently does not immediately get on his phone and call that house of the friend, and he doesn't call police himself to give them that friend's name or else LE would have gone to that house, more than once). Neither parent knew where he was.

Perhaps she's just trying to cover up neglect, entirely possible (some people can't handle being perceived as negligent, they may even become frantic in an attempt to avoid criticism of any kind). I'm sure Albert's later conversations with LE have helped them sort some of that out.

From my point of view, the area of the search focus speaks volumes as to whether LS is involved. We shall see. LS is certainly not saying or doing all she can to find Gannon, if she actually knows about this other person and didn't say so immediately (and until the video came out, she did not mention that she had taken a sick child out for a 4 hour tour of Colorado Springs and environs).
 
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A possibility: SM is not involved in GS' disappearance, that GS did leave with a someone, that LE has not been able to determine identity/location of that someone but is basing search locations on a 'possibilities' list, a list of potential individuals who GS may have left with that afternoon.

As mnuch as I expect many of you on the forum don't want to believe this, it IS a possibility, regardless of how SM comes across through the filter of Social Media.
If she’s innocent she has only herself to blame for appearing guilty. No need to say anything at all, or to add on every time she reads about herself on social media, or to drag in blood, gates, phantom abductors the police “know” about but aren’t arresting, etc. Her stories are just too dramatic, detailed in content no one asked about, and devoid of focus on Gannon. Topping all this off with her demand for apologies when/if Gannon is found, as if the reason we need to find him is so he can facilitate this for her, is just too weird.

I can buy that she wasn’t busy dismembering him in the garage, or driving him to a cliff, or to a lonesome wooded area to shoot him, etc., but there’s a point where her deceptive behavior and lying by omission, and even directly, isn’t because she’s just self-absorbed and flustered. Maybe there’s a history between her and Gannon that could be revealed in all this, even if she didn’t cause it, and that’s what’s bothering her. But the neighbor and the father saw something disturbing that led to the conclusion that she was lying about a portion of the timeline, and that just wont go away.

There’s a point at which one has to ask how likely it is that she’s merely living in a bubble alongside all this.
 
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This is entirely possible. I keep thinking about one person I knew well in my life (who was in fact Cluster B), my aunt (so I can write about her here, and she is no longer with us, so I feel it's okay). (Scroll if you're not interested in reading this long post on personality disorders!)

My aunt was, superficially, a wonderful, giving, often funny person (at least, she thought her antics were funny and her siblings sometimes agreed - although, in true borderline fashion, she had managed to split the entire family when she was a teen ager and her oldest brother had not spoken to her since she was 17 and would not be in the same space as her, so that I rarely saw that uncle - my aunt controlled when he could attend family reunions because he would not have his own family around her, I never got all the details of why, but I know enough to understand his decision). She would love-bomb people and my parents used to talk quietly about whether she would eventually turn on me (I was a baby when I first met her) the way she'd turned on every other kid in our family (including her own daughter) when they got to a certain age. My dad said "She likes dogs and babies, but when kids get a mind of their own, she can't stand them."

ANYWAY, that aunt repeatedly disciplined her own daughter (a lovely, sweet girl) by threats of or actual abandonment. For example, leaving her daughter by the side of the road (on the road to Vegas, in Colorado, in Los Angeles). The little girl would sit down and cry. Dad said Barb never moved from her spot. After some time, Aunt F. would come back and ask her if she was sorry and put her back in the car.

That's just one example. My cousin was born in 1938, so I suppose my aunt thought it was safe to do this, but truthfully, I don't think my aunt ever thought about that aspect of her tantrums and fits. She threw things, she ranted, she insulted, then she love-bombed the victim. She did this with both husbands. My dad blamed her for the death of her first husband (long story, I should do a blog). It was an "accidental" death caused, my dad says, by Uncle Ralph's emotional distress and distraction due to something my aunt did/was doing. She tormented her (very passive and submissive) second husband in my presence and when I went to spend a week with her (what were my parents thinking???), he was my ally and savior. She withheld food from her own child (and from me, when I visited) in order to get control. She deliberately made food that her daughter hated in order to mock the daughter or control and punish her. She did this to my dad, too, and to my mom, and to me. She did it constantly to her husband. She had to invent new crap to make in order to accomplish this. It's almost unbelievable.

I still don't know exactly why my aunt was like that. Her father was Antisocial PD, possibly a narcissist. She grew up around him, the younger kids didn't. Her father was a violent man, but never actually hit her (he beat the boys). She was sort of abandoned (she was sent to be a maid for Grandma's cousin when she was 14 and everyone said that's what changed her, but I don't know about that). It's true that she was pretty much on her own from age 14.

My aunt did a long series of minor criminal acts, for which she was either excused or never caught. It's mostly minor stuff (although some of it would be major theft if the victim had filed a report - she took things from the homes of elderly friends and relatives, through a variety of ruses or just outright stealing, but always with an excuse). She constantly violated traffic rules.

She lied blatantly and constantly, usually to sew discord. She loved practical jokes and people who didn't know her well (like neighbors and members of her church) thought she was generous and funny. She loved to get me gifts (up until about age 9-10), usually getting the gifts at garage sales or thrift stores - but I loved them. I still remember the night she decided I was awful. I was doing homework (long division) and she didn't like how I was doing it (teacher taught me). BTW, my aunt liked to pretend she had been a teacher in Kansas, but now that I think about it, that had to be a lie. I don't think she even had a job after being a maid in her teens. So my uncle said we should have a competition. He'd dictate long division problems, my mom would solve them on a calculator and we'd see who was faster and more accurate. I won. She threw a hissy fit (and in fact, ended up leaving our house in the middle of the night, we didn't see her for months, my dad said it was great and my mom even agreed). After that, no gifts of course. In fact, about a year later, she took some of the gifts back (packed them in the middle of the night and took off).

That last example is a classic narcissist move. Unbelievably, she couldn't handle a "narcissistic injury" (any slight or perceived slight to her self/self-esteem) and was of course highly reactive and emotionally labile. The tantrums, throwing things, destruction of property (etc) are more borderline-ish.

When she was 90 years old, she was diagnosed with a brain tumor (that had probably been growing for 5-6 years) but my dad always wondered after that if she had had something organic wrong with her for years...I don't think she did. Sometimes I think maybe her poor brain just couldn't take it any more. Day to day, her life was so dramatic and full of turmoil. Her daughter and family eventually moved far, far away and ultimately, stopped giving her their address for fear she would just turn up (she would have).
If you do decide to blog, please will you let me know. Not only do you write in a most engaging fashion but you have also convinced me your diagnosis is correct.
I've been having real difficulty with the term' narcissist'. When it first came to my attention I immersed myself in the study of it... it was an answer to all questions. But the knowing brought no catharsis, no assimilation, the wounds remained deep and I have almost come to resent it's use now because it seems to be used for everything.
Thank you so much for opening my perception and it's not the first time you sent me pondering, we met on Erin's case.
Thank you.
IMO
 
  • #155
This question has been asked before and it turned out that it in fact is a reporters microphone. They were setting up for a segment.
Link would be helpful.
 
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Can someone tell me how to edit a previous post?
 
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Who is RD?
Rodrick Drayton is the next door neighbor that has the security video footage of her and him getting in the car at 10:15 in the morning and then her coming back around 2:15 without him. it has been turned over to the police as part of evidence. And he also has absolutely no more video footage of him coming out of the house that day so it blows her Theory out of the water that she said he left around 3 to 4 to go to a friend's house but he never even came back with his stepmom after running errands in the morning.
 
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The video you're asking about was posted only on social media, therefore is is not available for for discussion here, per the mods (repeatedly). There have been many posts about it and most have been deleted because they violate TOS.

I thought so but i wanted to make sure. Thanks!
 
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Hello, I'm new here, although I've often lurked as a guest when I'm wrapped up in yet another true crime... I get caught up in a factual way right here. I prefer this to anything other than a live press conference.
This case has me by the heart. I have kids (grown) and grandkids, 2 of whom are right around Gannon's age. I also live in Englewood, just south of Denver... so I'm geographically close as well.
I thank you all for the intelligent and thoughtful input.
For some reason, I feel like something must have been discovered yesterday for AS and LH to have left, and although I've read up I still feel like I've missed something. Please tell me I'm wrong!
 
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