Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #4

[Best of What's Around]

I know. What good is that now? The important video has been found (no thanks to them).

I hate to say it, but i hope this isn't an indication of "things".....

Is everyone in colorado on the pot? J/k. I do supporg LE and know they are doing their best. It's not an easy job. They just frustrate and anger me at times.

MOO

LOL - I live in CO and can put your mind at ease that everyone is not “on the pot.” But I also completely understand your concern. Something about the Daybell case and this one has me scratching my head at how authorities are proceeding. Hopefully no balls were dropped, and it just appears that way. I have a lot of confidence in the FBI generally. Maybe there is a good explanation if they did not know about this particular footage. I do remember in the Watts case (also in CO) that police were out daily in the neighborhood following up for footage, sitings, and noticing who had cameras set up they could see. Perhaps this one was not a noticeable one.

I will say I am so thankful that so many people have doorbell cameras now! What a great resource in cases like these. It was really helpful in the Kelsey Berreth case (CO as well). They may not capture everything, but they can catch people in a lie as to their whereabouts at a particular time and place.

 

[Knox]

The only thing I can add regarding your questions is that when she got in the truck and left, she was wearing a white beanie. When she returned and got out of the truck, she was not wearing the white beanie but had something white in her hand. I'm thinking it was the beanie and believe me I watched that video many times!

Duh, you're right!

 

[bellyup]

FOX31 and Channel 2 were the first to obtain a copy of the video, which came from a surveillance camera at a home in the neighborhood where Stauch was last seen. After discussing the video with the El Paso County Sheriff's Office, FOX31 and Channel 2 have decided to share it.

On Monday, investigators were seen removing evidence from the house.

Drayton says the video shows Stauch and his stepmother leaving the home in a pickup truck about 10:13 a.m. on Jan. 27.

"I saw him come out of the house, get into the truck. Something's not right," Drayton said, adding that Stauch looked sluggish and as though he may have been "drugged."

Video shows the truck returning at 2:19 p.m. However, Stauch is not seen.

"[He] never got out of the truck," Drayton said.
Surveillance footage could provide clues in search for missing El Paso County boy

That video says the sheriffs office does NOT dispute the neighbors claims on what the video shows. So there should be no more questions about someone else in the truck, not being SM or not being Gannon. That’s confirmation from LE that they do not dispute what the neighbor says he saw.

 

[firebird]

I can’t think of an innocent explanation for:

1. Claiming your kid stayed home from school because he was sick but you let him go play at a friend’s later that day.
2. Claiming your son went off to play with friends and you let him, despite him not telling you which friend.
3. Claiming you last saw your kid between 3:00 to 4:00 pm when he left the house on foot, while surveillance footage shows he last is seen leaving the house, with you, at 10 the day he went missing, and you return without him before 3-4.

Where did he go and why did she lie?

<modsnip> I've had 1. and 2. happen more than once. The 3rd is the problem if there's no explanation.

 

[LietKynes]

That video says the sheriffs office does NOT dispute the neighbors claims on what the video shows. So there should be no more questions about someone else in the truck, not being SM or not being Gannon. That’s confirmation from LE that they do not dispute what the neighbor says he saw.

Thanks, @bellyup !
Looking forward to LE confirming more evidence regarding what they removed from the house as well.

 

[kittythehare]

Thanks. So I don't see/read anything different than what I said. The video shows SM leaving with Gannon and coming back without him, suggesting that he didn't return home with her and, therefore, possibly didn't go to a friend's house in the afternoon as the SM claims. What am I missing? I also see in other reports that the neighbor says the boy appears sluggish or drugged when getting in the car. But that's hella subjective, plus he's a tween and reportedly not feeling that great. So...

Last night some clips were released and a report that Fox were withholding a significant clip from neighbour's CCTV footage. They showed a series of night images and we were all looking at them and trying to analyse them. They were times around 9.30-10.20 so everybody assumed something nefarious happened during those hours. First thing today (my first thing, at least, was a report from abc stating the footage concerned the time period 10.something to 2.something pm. and the report that the father broke down crying when he saw the footage and called LE. Then later the actual footage of that was released and that's what we're talking about tonight.
People are not believing it and placing all kinds of obstacles and rationales that it could be footage of anybody anywhere kinda thing.
In short there were 3 bursts of news from reputable media sites that led to this.

 

[Knox]

LOL - I live in CO and can put your mind at ease that everyone is not “on the pot.” But I also completely understand your concern. Something about the Daybell case and this one has me scratching my head at how authorities are proceeding. Hopefully no balls were dropped, and it just appears that way. I have a lot of confidence in the FBI generally. Maybe there is a good explanation if they did not know about this particular footage. I do remember in the Watts case (also in CO) that police were out daily in the neighborhood following up for footage, sitings, and noticing who had cameras set up they could see. Perhaps this one was not a noticeable one.

I will say I am so thankful that so many people have doorbell cameras now! What a great resource in cases like these. It was really helpful in the Kelsey Berreth case (CO as well). They may not capture everything, but they can catch people in a lie as to their whereabouts at a particular time and place.

Didn't this particular neighbor say that initially he viewed his footage on a tablet and saw nothing. But something was bugging him and SM's account didn't make sense. So he went back and reviewed the video footage on his television and found what he found. There is an news interview somewhere if someone can link it.

So how is it LE's fault if this guy said he had video, but nothing of interest? Then goes back and does an in depth review, and finds evidence that SM was lying in her account? IMO, I think initially he looking for footage of Gannon leaving the house on foot. Which we now know doesn't exist

 

[catch_22]

When a child goes missing, many departments look around the house and then begin to look for cameras on homes/garages and on doors. They canvas and knock on doors. It seems odd that they would not have done this given she stated that he left the house to go to a friends. If I were the LEO, I would want to see if he left the house and got picked up, left the house and carried nothing or a suitcase or a backpack, or if he never left the house. It would give good insight. The recent case of Harley Dilly had him leaving his home early in the morning. They were able to say what he was wearing and what he did or didn't have. It is a little mindboggling that they are in this for a week with no surveillance gathering attempts made--unless LEO did have the tapes but were keeping it on the DL.

I think they did do the "neighbors cameras thing", but that was in the begining when he was "missing" and I think they were only concerned about the 3-4pm timeframe when he supposedly left the house.

I know people on this site were suspicious of SM almost immediately. That is why the last known sighting (other than by SM) of Gannon was so important.

Do you know how long it would take to view a week's worth of surveillance footage? Three weeks at 8hrs per day PER CAMERA! So it is a huge task. This is why Gannon's last verifiable sighting was so important.....to narrow the search window. But LE probably wouldn't have told us the time of his last sighting, because they don't tell us anything.

Yeah......why don't you go ahead and search through the entire last week......

Ummm, ok.....

Edit: with these new "computer cameras" it's probably a lot faster to review only the sections where motion is detected.

 

[gitana1]

Wow. That's pretty definitive IMO. How could the SM see Gannon in the home after 2 pm if he never returned with her? She said nothing about any interim trips and apparently the neighbor's video didn't capture Gannon returning home let alone walking to a friend's house.

IMO the SM thought she was so smart but didn't count on being seen on CCTV. IMO only a cold individual could make up such a timeline and present as a "victim" of online bullying. The reality is that she lied. Truth wins out. MOO.

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Damn, another case unfolding the way we all expected.

I wonder how these people are so brazen. Did she not think she might be seen on camera? Kind of like Terri Horman not thinking a parent would see her leaving the school with Kyron.

Didn’t this woman wonder if someone spotted her that morning? Did she look around before driving away? But what about after?

And I can’t even imagine putting a kid in the car knowing you’re going to hurt them. What kind of freaky psychopath? And then driving home after that? What did she think would happen? Was her rage and desire for revenge so great she didn’t care?

It’s interesting that so much CSI was at the house when the videos seem to show he wasn’t killed there.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Didn't this particular neighbor say that initially he viewed his footage on a tablet and saw nothing. But something was bugging him and SM's account didn't make sense. So he went back and reviewed the video footage on his television and found what he found. There is an news interview somewhere if someone can link it.

So how is it LE's fault if this guy said he had video, but nothing of interest? Then goes back and does an in depth review, and finds evidence that SM was lying in her account? IMO, I think initially he looking for footage of Gannon leaving the house on foot. Which we now know doesn't exist

Personally, I do not think laypeople are experts so I would imagine it is (or should be) standard practice for LE to insist on reviewing any and all footage that could be within view of the house themselves. I could see asking people to look themselves who are blocks away - but neighbors who might have cameras with a view of the house? That is far too important to leave to a layperson to view IMO. Not with the set of circumstances we know LE had within the first couple days of this case. Given what the SM said and then additionally her subsequent shady interview/behavior, I just cannot imagine it would not be a top five priority within 48 hours of his missing report, if not earlier. MOO. Now, if the camera was not visible and the homeowner refused to admit they had one at first - then I completely understand why LE would be blindsided by the new info a week later.

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

That video says the sheriffs office does NOT dispute the neighbors claims on what the video shows. So there should be no more questions about someone else in the truck, not being SM or not being Gannon. That’s confirmation from LE that they do not dispute what the neighbor says he saw.

I certainly do not despute what the video shows. It is what it is. What it shows, is what it shows. However, I'm not certain on the time stamps. The stills that were released late last night were in the dark, you couldn't see anything but headlights in the dark, with time stamps between 9 and 11 pm, yet today the video released is in the daylight hours with time stamps roughly between 10 AM and 2 PM. We also have the Sheriff's Office latest post stating not to trust anything unless released by them as a credible source. Again, I don't trust the media. I wish the media didn't release that video without the consent of the Sheriff's department. I believe the neighbor saw what he saw, I'm just not trusting the time stamps.

 

[kittythehare]

Didn't this particular neighbor say that initially he viewed his footage on a tablet and saw nothing. But something was bugging him and SM's account didn't make sense. So he went back and reviewed the video footage on his television and found what he found. There is an news interview somewhere if someone can link it.

So how is it LE's fault if this guy said he had video, but nothing of interest? Then goes back and does an in depth review, and finds evidence that SM was lying in her account? IMO, I think initially he looking for footage of Gannon leaving the house on foot. Which we now know doesn't exist

Same guy was interviewed by Cnn yesterday or day before and he told them that LE had spent 7 hrs watching his footage in his house. Link is here somewhere .
That was prior to the significant find info break. A general interview and he was just 1 neighbor they interviewed briefly

 

[gitana1]

My guess from watching the video is that SM likely confiscated his phone in the car and took it back inside with her own. She worked in education - she must have at least a vague idea about phone tracking and its uses by LE. Speaking of which, what time was the search made on Gannon's phone or computer about parents being able to track phones?

I am dumbfounded that LE and especially the FBI did not ask everyone on the block to allow them to personally review their security footage. Why leave it up to neighbors to do on their own? Why was this not the first thing done when SM had her "I demand an attorney" interview with LE? I am less concerned about media leaking the footage than LE not having eyes on this video to begin with from Day 2. I am disappointed. People have been thinking and searching like he ran away in the critical first week. How did this ball get dropped? I am usually a huge fan of the FBI, CBI in these cases - but I can't help but think this is a basic thing to have been done very early on.

Do we know for sure that they just casually asked neighbors to review it for them? Because on 1-30-20 they stated they had reviewed tons of video footage.

The CSI search doesn’t seem to be triggered by the timing of Mr. Daybell discussing the video. Because it takes time to get a search warrant.

Maybe they already had reviewed it?

 

[bellyup]

Surveillance footage could provide clues in search for missing El Paso County boy

This Channel is the one that refused to share it prior ...


“After discussing the video with the El Paso County Sheriff's Office, FOX31 and Channel 2 have decided to share it.”

”I saw him come out of the house, get into the truck. Something's not right," Drayton said, adding that Stauch looked sluggish and as though he may have been "drugged."

Also says the family is planning to release a new statement.

 

[Knox]

I wonder how these people are so brazen. Did she not think she might be seen on camera? Kind of like Terri Horman not thinking a parent would see her leaving the school with Kyron.

Didn’t this woman wonder if someone spotted her that morning? Did she look around before driving away? But what about after?

And I can’t even imagine putting a kid in the car knowing you’re going to hurt them. What kind of freaky psychopath? And then driving home after that? What did she think would happen? Was her rage and desire for revenge so great she didn’t care?

It’s interesting that so much CSI was at the house when the videos seem to show he wasn’t killed there.

You did see the interview of her with her back to the camera right? Brazen & freaky psychopath is a very polite description. The "look over there, not at me tactic" she did on camera was something to watch. Most narcissists don't think people can see through their manipulation or lies.

 

[kaen]

I think they did do the "neighbors cameras thing", but that was in the begining when he was "missing" and I think they were only concerned about the 3-4pm timeframe when he supposedly left the house.

I know people on this site were suspicious of SM almost immediately. That is why the last known sighting (other than by SM) of Gannon was so important.

Do you know how long it would take to view a week's worth of surveillance footage? Three weeks at 8hrs per day PER CAMERA! So it is a huge task. This is why Gannon's last verifiable sighting was so important.....to narrow the search window. But LE probably wouldn't have told us the time of his last sighting, because they don't tell us anything.

Yeah......why don't you go ahead and search through the entire last week......

Ummm, ok.....

It doesn't work that way in my area. The house with the camera has it mounted on their garage. It is two doors down. If I wanted to see if Gannon left that house between 3 and 4 I would see he did not, Then, back it up by two hours--look at between 1 and 4. They would have seen SM returning home at 2:15ish. They would have known immediately that Gannon did not leave on foot between 3 and 4 and his SM was not home for a portion of the day and that Gannon was not with her at 2:15. In my neck of the woods going to the cameras is happens fairly quickly because time is of the essence. LE might not tell the time to the general public but they can do it fairly expediently with widening out as needed to houses further down the block.

 

[MysteryAlpaca]

My theory: the SM was involved in something where GS was expected to sleep / stay in the truck. It could have been a drug thing or a sex rendezvous or something similar. whatever it was GS had wandered off when SM returned to the truck. SM then returned home, then decided to tell the story that Gannon had run away from home vs wherever she was.

This is where my thinking is landing on this. Either something accidentally happened to him in the house or they went elsewhere and it happened there. It's possible SM was scared of incriminating herself further because of alleged activity and didn't expect him to not be found? I dunno. I am not seeing a massive premeditated thing at this time. And a part of me wants Gannon to be ok still.

 

[Knox]

Personally, I do not think laypeople are experts so I would imagine it is (or should be) standard practice for LE to insist on reviewing any and all footage that could be within view of the house themselves. I could see asking people to look themselves who are blocks away - but neighbors who might have cameras with a view of the house? That is far too important to leave to a layperson to view IMO. Not with the set of circumstances we know LE had within the first couple days of this case. Given what the SM said and then additionally her subsequent shady interview/behavior, I just cannot imagine it would not be a top five priority within 48 hours of his missing report, if not earlier. MOO. Now, if the camera was not visible and the homeowner refused to admit they had one at first - then I completely understand why LE would be blindsided by the new info a week later.

I believe LE would need a search warrant to do what you suggest. But I'm not wholly disagreeing with your point.

 

[firebird]

<modsnip> I've had 1. and 2. happen more than once. The 3rd is the problem if there's no explanation.

I want to clarify my post to put it in context in light of the moderation. I have kids. They stay home sick from school occasionally. Sometimes they're not that sick, or really sick at all. Sometimes they want to stay home "sick" until school's out, then want to go play with their friends who are now out of school. This usually leads to a "you can't stay home sick and then go play with your friends" conversation, followed by a relenting on my part if they seem to be un"sick" and b/c my kids don't usually miss school. If the friend they're going to play with is "across the street," names aren't absolutely necessary. I was trying to convey why this scenario wouldn't necessarily be inexplicable to a person with relatively well-behaved children who lives in a relatively safe neighborhood. jmo

 

[Best of What's Around]

Do we know for sure that they just casually asked neighbors to review it for them? Because on 1-30-20 they stated they had reviewed tons of video footage.

The CSI search doesn’t seem to be triggered by the timing of Mr. Daybell discussing the video. Because it takes time to get a search warrant.

Maybe they already had reviewed it?

Absolutely they could have - but if so, why did LE tell this man it was a game changer? Why would he call the Dad to come see it first? If they had viewed it and wanted it kept under wraps I would imagine they would have informed the homeowner to please keep it to himself - not just let him think nothing was there. I don’t know - it is all speculation on my part. I just hope they were not needlessly searching the neighborhood early on versus finding where her truck went for that 4 hour period.