CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #64

[shotgun09]

IMO, the state has effectively proven that LS did the crime, and was completely sane while doing so. The last 4 days of psych testimony were a bit over done, and probably more so to the jury. I am pretty sure we all felt that way. I highly doubt their last witness in their CIC is another psych doc.

And, no to little "L" either, for all the above posted reasons. Just no. She's a child and a victim also. I would never subject my child to be present in the same room as the one who murdered her brother.

I think possibly that Landen will take the stand. She did have a relationship with Leticia, before the murder. They were co-parenting. And also she spoke with T immediately after, while Gannon was presumed missing. She was present in the days that followed. I am sure Landen can put the facts down, as she understood them, while giving a different view of Letecia in action. A motive, while only suggested may become clearer.

MOO

 

[kittythehare]

It wouldn’t have surprised me if they put her on the stand. However, I don’t think there is any way this last witness would be her.

RSBM
i imagine that if they were intending to use testimony from her it would be a video recording in the presence of skilled professionals.

 

[SandyQLS]

If anyone missed it, LS had an outburst in open court on Friday Day 16, 4/28/23. She yelled "Nooooo!" during the DA questioning Dr. Torres. I went back through IckedMel's broadcast for the time marks:

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6:19.00+ Audience member has sent a clip of the outburst to Mel and Mel plays it a couple of times. Barely audible.

2:08.30 - 2:09.30 DA was questioning Dr. Torres about LS during the evaluation speaking as though she has had access to the DSM5 manual. Watch LS, face down under mop of hair, suddenly pop up and turn to her attorney. The sound is muted here by Webex.

3:07.30 The Judge has already called for lunch break and the jury has left The Judge admonishes LS about her disruptive behavior.

So she CAN hear and IS listening while hiding.

 

[RaspberryMama]

Was the first witness Al? I can't remember if there was someone before him. But I'm thinking if he was first, it might make sense that Landen is the last witness. Starting and finishing with the two who loved him most.

 

[kittythehare]

If anyone missed it, LS had an outburst in open court on Friday Day 16, 4/28/23. She yelled "Nooooo!" during the DA questioning Dr. Torres. I went back through IckedMel's broadcast for the time marks:

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6:19.00+ Audience member has sent a clip of the outburst to Mel and Mel plays it a couple of times. Barely audible.

2:08.30 - 2:09.30 DA was questioning Dr. Torres about LS during the evaluation speaking as though she has had access to the DSM5 manual. Watch LS, face down under mop of hair, suddenly pop up and turn to her attorney. The sound is muted here by Webex.

3:07.30 The Judge has already called for lunch break and the jury has left The Judge admonishes LS about her disruptive behavior.

So she CAN hear and IS listening while hiding.

Oh yes.
She just considers it vital that nobody sees her hateful facial expressions.
(Maria must have tipped her off about her ugliness)

 

[SandyQLS]

JMO the Defense made a strategic error on Friday - they don't have much to work with! They brought up an issue to Dr. Torres that the state hospital is in contempt of a federal court for failure to provide timely competency or sanity evaluations. First that has nothing to do with the quality or veracity or their reports, or any issue in this case. Second I think this tactic would backfire with jurors. Jurors are taxpayers and they see the enormous waste of money, time and resources on LS and her fake mental illness. Defendants like LS are the cause of the hospital's backlog. JMO.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

Is the only witness for the defence Dr Dorothy Lewis? I wonder if the prosecution will lay into her credibility when she takes the stand, if you’ve ever watched ‘Crazy, Not Insane’ you will know that DL seems to diagnose anyone and everyone with DID. She is an ‘expert’ in the field but the accurateness of her diagnoses are questionable. She said that Ted Bundy, Arthur Shawcross and also Marie Moore who used the pretext of having DID to inflict terrible abuse on children and manipulate a young teen into committing murder, all had DID.

If you watch the documentary IMO it makes DL come across as gullible and not fully aware of the concept of malingering. T will have taken full advantage of this and out of all experts the defence could have called, the fact that they have DL speaks volumes to me. If you are facing life in prison then your whole life comes down to the session(s) you spend with DL, of course you’re going to put on the performance of a lifetime if you want a chance at getting found NGRI, T will have been well aware of this.

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

Is the only witness for the defence Dr Dorothy Lewis? I wonder if the prosecution will lay into her credibility when she takes the stand, if you’ve ever watched ‘Crazy, Not Insane’ you will know that DL seems to diagnose anyone and everyone with DID. She is an ‘expert’ in the field but the accurateness of her diagnoses are questionable. She said that Ted Bundy, Arthur Shawcross and also Marie Moore who used the pretext of having DID to inflict terrible abuse on children and manipulate a young teen into committing murder.

If you watch the documentary IMO it makes DL come across as gullible and not fully aware of the concept of malingering. T will have taken full advantage of this and out of all experts the defence could have called, the fact that they have DL speaks volumes to me. If you are facing life in prison then your whole life comes down to the session(s) you spend with DL, of course you’re going to put on the performance of a lifetime if you want a chance at getting found NGRI, T will have been well aware of this.

MOO

I think they have one other witness, and I suspect it will be someone whose name escapes me but I think was something like Neuenhauser, who I think was LS's therapist or doctor for a very brief period. I could be wrong, though.

MOO

 

[heartandsoul]

Hope Prosecution's final witness is an LE Specialist who will connect all the digital and CCTV data evidence from Jan 17 until about Feb 4.

Yes, I think that’s very possible. Didn’t they say they anticipate this witness could take all day? That would track.

I did briefly wonder if perhaps it could be whoever interviewed little sis at the time, talking through the filmed interview. But I’m not sure that would take all day, and I’m not sure I’m comfortable with even that at this point. Not that it matters what I think though!

LH would corroborate Al and HH’s testimony, and further testify Letecias obsessive hatred of her (motive?), but it could also be very traumatic for her. Especially with cross. I’m not sure she needs to do that. A victim impact statement would probably do just as much.

Anyway, all speculation, of course! But I do think that if they’re anticipating a long testimony, it might well be a professional.

 

[Cindizzi]

I think they have one other witness, and I suspect it will be someone whose name escapes me but I think was something like Neuenhauser, who I think was LS's therapist or doctor for a very brief period. I could be wrong, though.

MOO

I agree it’s probably going to be this person and I can’t remember her role either.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/El_Paso/Stauch/20CR1358%20-%20D50%20Notice%20of%20Endorsement%20of%20Witnesses.pdf

 

[iamshadow21]

I agree it’s probably going to be this person and I can’t remember her role either.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/El_Paso/Stauch/20CR1358%20-%20D50%20Notice%20of%20Endorsement%20of%20Witnesses.pdf

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Niederhauser! That's it. I thought there was an 'i' in there somewhere. Thank you, I just couldn't recall it and didn't know off the top of my head where to look without trawling back through all the recent threads.

MOO

 

[Cindizzi]

Niederhauser! That's it. I thought there was an 'i' in there somewhere. Thank you, I just couldn't recall it and didn't know off the top of my head where to look without trawling back through all the recent threads.

MOO

I just googled her and she is a clinical psychologist. Top result shows she’s with UCHEALTH Memorial Hospital. Other results show her at Evans Army Hospital on Fort Carson Army Base.

I’m reminded that when AS testified he said LS saw a doctor on base, he said only once that he knew of and that he accompanied her but stayed in the waiting room.

Defense told him it was twice LS saw the doctor and the doctor told her she should quit her job due to the mental stress it was causing her.

Pretty sure AS didn’t remember or agree with that.

I wonder how recent to January 2020 she saw her.

JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

Personally I doubt the state will call LS's mother. While LS's half-brother may have been believable, I'm not sure her mother would be. It's certainly in the mother's self-interest to believe LS had a perfectly normal, non-traumatic childhood that did not involve being molested by anybody and certainly not by one of mom's husbands. I'm not sure I'd believe the mother (ANY mother-- I'm not talking about this particular person) about many things under those circumstances. Incest and familial sexual abuse usually involve lots of denial and psychological unwillingness to see. And I'd think the state wouldn't want to risk a potentially ugly cross so close to the end of their case. Frankly, mom saying LS never got mental health treatment as a child or adolescent (I'd believe that) would only make mom look bad and wouldn't weaken LS's claims IMO.

I doubt the little sister will be called either especially since the state indicated a lengthy presentation. But if she is called, legally she can't just say her piece on video. She has to be subject to cross examination. (And no, someone who interviewed her years ago can't just show a tape of her interview answers to questions. The defense has to be able to ask her about her answers regardless of her current age of around 11.) If I were a juror, I wouldn't blame the defense for asking the little sister questions if the state calls her. But I'd blame the state for creating that totally unnecessary situation. I'd also resent the attempt at emotional manipulation of the jury. (At least that's what it would feel like to me.) I'd feel the same way about seeing LH testify. She was not in Colorado when GS was killed and I'm not sure what she could add to the criminal case. She already stated publicly (when LS was arrested) she had trusted LS with her son. 'She will pay:' Gannon Stauch's mom gets emotional during news briefing
So she can't really say anything different now. Of course, I'd definitely expect a victim impact statement from her if LS is convicted.

I don't know who will be called but I suspect whoever it is will have video/tape to discuss. And I suspect LS will say something pretty shocking on the tape.
JMO

I wouldn’t want LH on the stand. Her anger would blow up the courtroom and I don’t think they need to tip the scales in that direction.

I think Mobley’s testimony was very valuable. LS asking her to be a witness to someone carrying a suitcase out of the house was damning.

 

[Teche]

Thanks to everyone here for links and input.

I am close to being caught up. All but todays testimony is in the case Archive now.

JUSTICE for Gannon, here:

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[NCWatcher]

I wouldn’t want LH on the stand. Her anger would blow up the courtroom and I don’t think they need to tip the scales in that direction.

I think Mobley’s testimony was very valuable. LS asking her to be a witness to someone carrying a suitcase out of the house was damning.

I agree. Honestly I don't think calling any family member would make sense. So far as I know the jury's decision is supposed to be based on facts (as they determine them to be true.) Not emotion. Of course, the murder of an 11-year old can't be viewed without emotion but using family to unnecessarily ramp up the emotion would be a mistake IMO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

IMO, the state has effectively proven that LS did the crime, and was completely sane while doing so. The last 4 days of psych testimony were a bit over done, and probably more so to the jury. I am pretty sure we all felt that way. I highly doubt their last witness in their CIC is another psych doc.

And, no to little "L" either, for all the above posted reasons. Just no. She's a child and a victim also. I would never subject my child to be present in the same room as the one who murdered her brother.

I think possibly that Landen will take the stand. She did have a relationship with Leticia, before the murder. They were co-parenting. And also she spoke with T immediately after, while Gannon was presumed missing. She was present in the days that followed. I am sure Landen can put the facts down, as she understood them, while giving a different view of Letecia in action. A motive, while only suggested may become clearer.

MOO

I think the defense would try to destroy Landen by attacking her character.

 

[shotgun09]

I think the defense would try to destroy Landen by attacking her character.

I agree, but
The state would object often if that is the case, and it would only further the jury's negative view of Letecia and her defense team. Landen has probably been well prepared for this, if indeed it is her.

 

[cujenn81]

JMO the Defense made a strategic error on Friday - they don't have much to work with! They brought up an issue to Dr. Torres that the state hospital is in contempt of a federal court for failure to provide timely competency or sanity evaluations. First that has nothing to do with the quality or veracity or their reports, or any issue in this case. Second I think this tactic would backfire with jurors. Jurors are taxpayers and they see the enormous waste of money, time and resources on LS and her fake mental illness. Defendants like LS are the cause of the hospital's backlog. JMO.

I thought the defense made several strategic errors on Friday.

For one — in an effort to make himself look better to the jury, Tolini had Dr. Torres confirm that LS initially planned to represent herself and that’s why LS was able to read the police reports, prior competency evaluation notes, and the rest of the discovery materials prior to her sanity evaluation. In essence, he reminded the jury that LS had the benefit of knowing what Torres and Gray thought about her behavior during the competency eval before she met with them again for the sanity eval.

For two — he had Torres agree it would be difficult to diagnose a person with DID after only meeting with them once or twice. But presumably… he hopes to convince the jury of the exact opposite when it’s his expert doing the diagnosing?

 

[perception≠reality]

As difficult as listening to her wretched voice can be, there are parts that are relevant and shed some light on what she admits to and what she is still denying related to Gannon’s injuries. Watching yesterday’s live stream from law and crime picked up these details:

39:30 LS mentions grabbing Gannon wrapped in his covers on fire (left him down there in flames and ran outside without him multiple times)

1:08 LS claims Edgar is in the basement with her when a person in a cape runs past her (Gannon wrapped in a blanket she “mistook” for a caped intruder). She claims she took the handgun from Edgar, it hits her and then hits the person in the cape in the head.
Now I know why Mr. Allen suggested it could’ve been the butt of a gun that caused the blunt force injuries to Gannon during direct examination of the ME during autopsy testimony.

1:29:30 LS claims stab wounds are burns from the fire and denies stabbing him.

2:53 claims she grabbed the gun from Edgar again, chanting a biblical verse and “time to kill make it fast”-this is when she shot Gannon. Also admits to driving Gannon’s body across the country but claims it was for a proper burial and that others helped her dump him.

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[kittythehare]

I agree it’s probably going to be this person and I can’t remember her role either.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/El_Paso/Stauch/20CR1358%20-%20D50%20Notice%20of%20Endorsement%20of%20Witnesses.pdf

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