CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #64

[iamshadow21]

uh oh, I just came in from my pretty pink peonies and wth did I miss? I thought I was on time. Can you say cheater cheater pumpkin eater?

I think even those of us who heard it (or who heard part of it, like me) are wondering WTH too. Shaaaaaady stuff.

MOO

 

[Cindizzi]

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[Megnut]

Trials pivot. New info can come in mid-trial. But it has to be vetted and disclosed, as discovery.

This is superspicious.

Jmo

 

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[Really?]

Kevin Clark has ” real “ degrees.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Help, I don’t understand what just happened. Not kidding. Can somebody explain it to me like I’m a three year old. Any fifth graders available?

 

[10ofRods]

The idea that Conduct Disorder and ASPD don't just appear out of nowhere was the point I was making earlier. It's possible LS's antisocial conduct at early ages was hidden. But it does appear we have no evidence she exhibited antisocial behaviors at early ages unless we are willing to say because those existed at 18 (assuming we count the known criminal violations) those behaviors must have existed at earlier ages too. I'm not willing to say that. And I guess none of the evaluators have been either-- none of them mentioned ASPD or even antisocial traits that I know of.

I think something significant may have happened to LS in early to mid-adolescence. Much too late to create DID, of course.
JMO

I'm pondering all that too. Even if LS was 17 when she threatened the school/the principal, that's just one set of scrapes with the law. I do believe I read somewhere (here on WS) that people who knew her as a child say she lied constantly. She apparently still performed well in school.

I find it odd that no one pulled in Antisocial PD and instead, there's a mention of malingering. That makes me think that on her personality inventories she recognized some of the questions pointing to ASPD and tried to influence the results (I think it was the second psychologist who testified more about LS having a score that could include malingering/attempt to manipulate the test).

I read here yesterday (I think) that the State was confined to using experts who had seen her within the corrections system. If anyone has more information about this, I'd be much obliged.

If the Dx that the Defense eventually goes with is Borderline PD, then your hypothesis about something happening during adolescence is a very good one, as BPD usually as its onset in late adolescence or early adulthood and can be triggered by adolescence or childhood trauma (along with a certain kind of upbringing, IMO). Did we ever hear what she spent AS's $8000 on?

ASPD and BPD have symptoms that overlap, but the extreme rage and "Periods of stress-related paranoia and loss of contact with reality, lasting from a few minutes to a few hours" (DSM-V) are specific to BPD. Anyway, BPD seems to explain more than either DID or ASPD. Disassociation is a feature of BPD and not ASPD, so it overlaps with DID in that regard. Both BPD and DID are associated with childhood trauma as well. To me, it gives a more complete picture of LS to use BPD.

I tried to find any articles that showed a relationship between BPD and a legal insanity defense. Several states have apparently banned use of ASPD in an insanity defense, but I don't think any state has banned BPD. What I did find were articles stating that BPD should not be considered legal insanity:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/009318531204000106?journalCode=plxa

as well as articles saying it should be considered grounds for legal insanity:

Should a Personality Disorder Qualify as a Mental Disease in Insanity Adjudication? | Journal of Law, Medicine & Ethics | Cambridge Core

Should a Personality Disorder Qualify as a Mental Disease in Insanity Adjudication? - Volume 38 Issue 4

www.cambridge.org

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1748-720X.2010.00528.x?journalCode=lmec

Borderline Personality Disorder in the Courtroom

The insanity defense has been criticized with consequences for individuals with real mental illness. In the United States, several states have redefined the insanity defense by excluding antisocial...

www.tandfonline.com

The last article also has data on successful use of BPD in a NGRI defense (it is successful less frequently than an Axis I diagnosis but it can be successful). This last article proposes metrics (a continuum) that would place severe BPD in the same category as Axis I, based on symptoms but also citing "frontolimbic abnormalities" (something wrong in the wiring of the brain, basically).

IMO.

 

[Megnut]

This is the final witness?

 

[Chelly]

Witness Kevin Clark is LE expert analyst. He is the tall shaved-head man who sat in front of AS during entire trial. I think he's going to connect every dot in this case.
moo

 

[iamshadow21]

Help, I don’t understand what just happened. Not kidding. Can somebody explain it to me like I’m a three year old. Any fifth graders available?

From what I caught... Dr Lewis met with LS for three hours at the jail yesterday. There was no recording made. To say this is unconventional is understatement, since she's already submitted her report.

MOO

 

[Kiranerys]

Throw out the expert testimony.

Jmo

He should! She already showed her disrespect for the court by not filing her report in good time, in fact she filed it by the seat of her pants, right before the judge said if he didn't get it in around 2 days it would be out.
This is actually a disgrace.

3 hrs unrecorded ever shady . Hey @MassGuy what a monday jmoo the judge won't allow any of it .but I wonder if the defense dr changed her mind

The trouble is, once she has said it, everybody has heard it, doesn't matter if there's an objection, doesn't matter if the judge says the jury will disregard it, you can't unring a bell.

This isn't on, she shouldn't be allowed to testify at all. JMO

 

[10ofRods]

Maybe. But not with Harley. She would have been in her late teens then. I'm talking about early to mid-teens. I've seen speculation here but it's only speculation. And if it happened, who is supposed to be the father?
JMO

I think you're onto something with this timeline. Wouldn't the pregnancy with Harley AND the threats to the school be happening around the same time?

IMO.

 

[Really?]

This has to be good. Dug up some more good dirt me thinks.

 

[Cindizzi]

She looked big mad when Mr Young told Judge that Dr Lewis visited her in the jail for 3 hours yesterday

 

[Angiebla]

So can evidence from that meeting come in to the trial? She didnt record it.

 

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[Kiranerys]

Yeah, I don't understand how that would be allowed.. doesn't seem on the up & up to say the least.

It's shady as F. This is the first time this whole trial I have been disappointed in Judge Werner, he didn't even seem to think the defence was out of order.

 

[Error505]

Chat at RA is suggesting that Dr Lewis may have subtly been coaching LS, in preparation for her taking the stand.

BBM
Since no recording is available, there’s no proof Lewis wasn’t coaching the habitual liar, and it may have not been so subtle! Who doesnt record? Moo

 

[10ofRods]

I suppose we are to believe that Dr. Lewis was merely in the mood for a late night social call at the El Paso County Jail.

Just stopping by to say "Hi!"

 

[heartandsoul]

So can evidence from that meeting come in to the trial? She didnt record it.

Unknown at this time. Prosecution don't know what the meeting was about yet and will review documents during afternoon break. The judge was clear that many things would discount this meeting. We don't know more yet.