CO CO - Garfield Co, WhtMale 35-65, 789UMCO, skeletal in tent, Sep'04

[Crimestopper88888]

Robert William fisher.
Never mind I’ve read he’s been ruled out,

Robert William Fisher - Wikipedia

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[carbuff]

Robert William fisher.
Never mind I’ve read he’s been ruled out,

Robert William Fisher - Wikipedia

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Yes, he's on the Namus exclusions list. But wow, so many similarities.

 

[carbuff]

28 Missing Person Exclusions

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[summergirl1]

Is their DNA available in this case. At this point it seems Genetic Genealogy is the only way this case will be solved.

Doe Network says there is not. That is not always accurate, but if so, I wonder why. This is a more recent case (vs those from the '70s and '80s, etc) with a lot of info, and likely would be very solvable through genetic genealogy.

 

[carbuff]

That's interesting. I thought some of the earlier exclusions were based on DNA. Guess I'm remembering wrong but it does make me wonder.

 

[RickshawFan]

Robert William fisher.
Never mind I’ve read he’s been ruled out,

Robert William Fisher - Wikipedia

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Wow, that would be crazy. He’d be at the upper end of the age range of the UID, though?

 

[papijoe2002]

That's interesting. I thought some of the earlier exclusions were based on DNA. Guess I'm remembering wrong but it does make me wonder.

They do have his DNA. I submitted the match of Mark Husk and they ruled him out with DNA.

 

[HmmMysterious]

A new reconstruction was added to John Doe's NamUs a week ago. Seems like investigators aren't even close to identifying him yet.

 

[heartanium]

Not sure if this guy has a thread

NAMUS UP15487
Unidentified Male
Location Found: Garfield County, Colorado
Date Found: September 9, 2004

Race: White/Caucasian
PMI: Unknown
Estimated year of Death: 2003-2004
Estimated Age: 27-65 Years
Height: 5' 10"(70 inches) , Measured
Weight: Unknown
Hair: Unknown
Eye Color: Unknown
Clothing: Black belt with long underwear fragments, pair of blue wool socks with duct tape around toes, Yellow and green plastic poncho
Footwear: Brown and black Timberland hiking boots (size 9 M)

Eyewear:
Pair of thin rimmed sunglasses (both lenses intact )
Pair of thin rimmed reading glasses (both lenses intact) purple arms

Accessories: Wrist watch with black band, yellow colored border, Roman numerals for numbers, Several items were collected from the campsite including: fragments of sleeping cushion, blue backpack, brown sleeping bag, black Jansport backpack, blue hair brush, fingernail clippers, tweezers, package of razor blades, cash, butane stove with two fuel cans, sweetwater water-filtration kit, tent repair kit, two green plastic military-style canteens, compass, aluminum cooking pot, spoon, two National Geographic moisture-proof trail maps of Flat Tops area, "4 in 1" Radio Shack game, pocket sized Battleship, binoculars, 20 packs of Camel unfiltered cigarettes, eight multi-colored butane lighters, a bell, pepper spray, and green spiral notebook with hand-drawn depicting of a heart with figures inside. The first page of the notebook is addressed to "Lib").

Circumstances: On September 9, 2004, skeletal remains of a male were found on the Flattops at the upper No Name creek area in a campsite. The remains as well as the campsite artifacts were collected. The deceased had high quality dental work done in the past. Possible back injury prior to death and may have spinal problems.

Condition of Remains: Not recognizable - Near complete or complete skeleton
Inventory of Remains: All parts recovered

Agency Info:
ME/C Case Number: 04-09-09-UR


Garfield County Coroner's Office - (970) 665-6335
Agency Case Number: 04-09-09-UR
Danica Pruitt, Senior Medicolegal Death Investigator

29 Exclusions

 

[heartanium]

Notebook:

 

[heartanium]

McKibben, Mike "Bow hunters find body of man on Flat Tops", The Daily Sentinel, September 14, 2004, pg B1, B7.

"Thee remains of an unidentified man were found on the Flat Tops, about seven miles north of Glenwood Springs..."

"No signs of trauma or foul play were found."

"He was in real deep timer and it was just by chance that they [hunters] came across him."

"The remains may have been there for up to five years. Coins nearby dated 1999 were found nearby that may indicate the man had been there at least that long."

"We didn't find any hunting equipment, but there were some Forest Service maps with some trails in the area highlighted, so maybe he wasn't familiar with the area."

"He had lighters, whistles to scare bears and pepper spray, he know what he was doing."

McKibbin, Mike "Body found probably white male, 50 to 60" The Daily Sentinel, September 22, 2004, pg 3.

"human remains..are believed to be those of a white male between 50 and 60 years of age..."

"the remains were found about five miles north of Glenwood Springs, in the Windy Point area near No Name Creek (about here?)"

"the man was about 6'1."

"Items found near the remains suggest the man was backpacking and camping."

 

[Susikatze]

There is a thread somewhere here for him, he is a prominent case and I have no idea why he did not get identified yet. An experienced hiker, well to do, no transient or homeless, someone with family or friends that would definitely be looking for him. I wonder if Lib ever reported him missing.

 

[heartanium]

There is a thread somewhere here for him, he is a prominent case and I have no idea why he did not get identified yet. An experienced hiker, well to do, no transient or homeless, someone with family or friends that would definitely be looking for him. I wonder if Lib ever reported him missing.

Oops - just found the thread and will alert mods.

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CO Thread 'CO - Garfield Co, WhtMale 35-65, 789UMCO, skeletal in tent, Sep'04'

May 6, 2006

The case is as cold as the bones, which lay bleaching for perhaps five summers and five winters before the man's remains finally were found in remote underbrush in the White River National Forest.



The skeleton was found at what appeared to have been the campsite for a well-provisioned sleep among the pines. The man died in a sleeping bag under a domed tent with $620 in cash, 20 packs of Camel cigarettes and a pair of size 9M Timberland brown-and-black hiking boots, but with no identification. There was no sign of foul play.

"He just didn't leave his name on anything," said...

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I truly wonder too, this is such an odd case it seems.

 

[heartanium]

Not sure if he's been considered but Jeffrey Dale Nichols (MP137) could be a possibility - he's mentioned to have a bad back and disappeared from Salt Lake City. He's in the age range but a bit taller then the height for this UID.

 

[JSolt1210]

Not sure if he's been considered but Jeffrey Dale Nichols (MP137) could be a possibility - he's mentioned to have a bad back and disappeared from Salt Lake City. He's in the age range but a bit taller then the height for this UID.

Totally possible. And I can see the resemblance in the photos.

But according to Namus, the Doe Network, and the Utah Department of Public Safety, Jeffrey "was supposed to meet his ex-wife and 7-year-old son for breakfast at a McDonalds in Midvale but never arrived." He went to the wrong location, then phoned around 6:50 am and "reportedly told his ex-wife, 'I can't do this now. I have to go,'" and was never seen or heard from again.

Furthermore, "at the time of his disappearance, Jeff was planning to build a new house with his girlfriend, and had purchased airline tickets and made hotel reservations to visit his sister's family in Wisconsin."

It sounds like whatever forced Jeffrey to cancel his morning plans so abruptly came out of nowhere because he clearly had things coming up not just that day but also for that summer. This doesn't sound to me like someone who just suddenly decided to up and take a last-minute camping trip to an area over 340 miles away from where he was last known or expected to be—though I guess it's possible that with all these plans, Jeffrey may have felt pressured and wanted to get away for a bit, be alone, and recharge.

Still, Flat Tops John Doe was found with a whole bunch of possessions that shows he clearly planned the trip beforehand, something which I think Jeffrey's family would've noticed and reported if this was him.

 

[KalmazooSleuth]

I hope this helps. I just stumbled up on this. I think this will help with a little more of identification but I will continue to dig more into it .

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[KalmazooSleuth]

So if you compare the camper found and look up Mark Allen Husk missing from Ferrisburgh, Vermont pretty much everything adds up but the pictures but its a clay example of what the person could look like but Mark does have a relative named Elizsbeth

 

[JSolt1210]

So if you compare the camper found and look up Mark Allen Husk missing from Ferrisburgh, Vermont pretty much everything adds up but the pictures but its a clay example of what the person could look like but Mark does have a relative named Elizsbeth

A lot of things added up with Mark, which is why it was so frustrating to learn that DNA ruled him out as Flat Tops John Doe:

I was wrong! Just got an email from the Colorado Coroner and Mark Husk has been ruled out through DNA. He is not Flat Tops John Doe!

 

[JSolt1210]

Someone else on another website suggested Arthur Brandes. I don't recall if anyone else has suggested him on here.

According to The Charley Project and NamUs:

Brandes was last seen in Denver, Colorado on September 13, 1996. He had a history of drinking, failing to come home, and dropping out of sight from time to time, so he wasn't reported missing until November 19th, after a family member spotted Brandes' truck being driven by another man. Police later located the truck, but there was no sign of Brandes, and he's never been heard from again.

What I think fits is Brandes' age, location, and also his photo, which to me looks similar to FTJD's reconstruction with the mustache but without glasses. The height and the weight are off, but decomposition can account for those discrepancies. Brandes also suffers from unspecified health problems, and FTJD had severe degeneration in his neck and back.

What doesn't fit, though, is the time. FTJD had currency dated about five years before he was found—i.e., around 1999. Brandes disappeared in 1996, so if this was him, what was he doing for those three years? Also, the fact that someone else was driving Brandes' truck two months later makes me think he met with foul play shortly after he disappeared, whereas FTJD clearly planned out the camping trip he died in. And further, Brandes was known to drink but it's unclear if he smoked, whereas FTJD had cigarettes but no alcohol.

What do you think?

 

[DS2021]

Someone else on another website suggested Arthur Brandes. I don't recall if anyone else has suggested him on here.

You are the first to mention the potential match on Websleuths!