CO - James Holmes Trial Discussion - Begins April 27, 2015 #14

[MissHaley]

Is it just me, or does it sound like this jail nurse seems to be very reluctant to answer Orman's questions? Eventually, she does agree.

 

[zoey]

Well, It appears from admission through Oct 23rd ( professional visit assuming his lawyer's) ALL without incident...I'd bet he's getting pretty bored by now and starting to realize this is going to be how the rest f his life is going to be lie!! We all know how he gets when he's bored :gaah:

perhaps he will stop eating and drinking and get that great hospital food every so often....

 

[zoey]

Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 1m1 minute ago
Paggen to DA: Holmes had 0 jail incidents from time of #theatershooting until alleged Nov 2012 psychotic break. Live: http://link.kdvr.com/1g6IyWQ

The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Jury has questions

 

[zoey]

Is it just me, or does it sound like this jail nurse seems to be very reluctant to answer Orman's questions? Eventually, she does agree.

I noticed that as well---kinda like she was trying to protect the inmate? I don't really know :thinking:

 

[LyndyLoo]

perhaps he will stop eating and drinking and get that great hospital food every so often....

Yeah..didn't he tell Dr. Reid he liked it there because he like being alone and didn't have to deal with other prisoner's intrusiveness or something along that line. He's happy to keep to himself ..as he hates people :tantrum:

 

[zoey]

Jury question: "From July 2012 to November 2012 did you give the gunman any medications?"
Nurse Paggen: "Besides antibiotics, no." bbm anica.padilla
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Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 2m2 minutes ago
#TheaterShooting jury questions for jail nurse: From July to Nov 2012, did you ever give Holmes medications? A: Not that I know of.

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The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Jury: How did JH cut finger?

A: It was from biting his nails

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Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 2m2 minutes ago
#TheaterShooting jury questions for jail nurse: As jail nurse, are you aware of the mental status of your inmates A: Yes.

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The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Jury: In jail are you aware of mental/physical status of inmates

A: Yes

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The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Jury: Did you give JH any meds from July - Nov

A: No

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The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Jury: Who says what meds to give?

A: Doctors write orders.

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Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 2m2 minutes ago
#TheaterShooting jury questions 4 nurse: How did Holmes cut his finger & get infection? A: Don't think he cut it. Think he chewed nail down

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The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Morning recess for 20 min bbm

 

[dr dona]

Don't buy this at all...Accident victims and people lost in the wilderness can survive a lot more than 2 days without food and water.. They just get weaker and weaker. No one is catatonic 1 minute and than hopping on a gurney without assistance the next moment...Also the patients I was exposed to that became psychotic had a longer progression in their symptoms. They didn't just wake up one morning and were psychotic. There was a gradual loss of contact with reality--also thoughts become disordered and than behavior goes to heck...All of this evolving in 24 to 48 hrs is too rapid for me to accept. Please people who are involved with psychotic patients---give us your expert opinions.
IMHO

 

[cujenn81]

Would JH have access to these "tests" in his studies?
they need to figure out something about these psych tests---this came up during that trial in Arizona.....:thinking:

He very well could have... I have a BA in psychology and one of our assignments in my psych testing/stats class was to self-administer the MMPI and write a report about our findings and what they imply.

 

[zoey]

Don't buy this at all...Accident victims and people lost in the wilderness can survive a lot more than 2 days without food and water.. They just get weaker and weaker. No one is catatonic 1 minute and than hopping on a gurney without assistance the next moment...Also the patients I was exposed to that became psychotic had a longer progression in their symptoms. They didn't just wake up one morning and were psychotic. There was a gradual loss of contact with reality--also thoughts become disordered and than behavior goes to heck...All of this evolving in 24 to 48 hrs is too rapid for me to accept. Please people who are involved with psychotic patients---give us your expert opinions.
IMHO

Way back when----(2008) I got really sick---couldn't hold down food or drink for a month or so--potassium level really really low along with electrolytes---I didn't get psychotic at all -- I was a mess! I went down to 90 lbs--so I don't know.
I have heard of it happening but perhaps it was from a court case and the defense spinning....IDK

 

[zoey]

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 3m3 minutes ago
Judge and attorneys are back in courtroom after morning break. Judge says #TheaterShooting jurors are still having issues with a bathroom

 

[zoey]

He very well could have... I have a BA in psychology and one of our assignments in my psych testing/stats class was to self-administer the MMPI and write a report about our findings and what they imply.

I'm just wondering if perhaps he could have faked some things---I'm thinking some of this is from his knowledge (I do think he has some mental health issues but....)

 

[zoey]

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 1m1 minute ago
Next #TheaterShooting witness: Jeremiah Leadem, a paramedic who transported JH in Action Care ambulance

 

[zoey]

Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 51s51 seconds ago
Ambulance company employee Jeremiah Leadem on #theatershooting stand. Took Holmes to Denver Health in Nov 2012. Live: http://link.kdvr.com/1g6IyWQ

 

[cujenn81]

Don't buy this at all...Accident victims and people lost in the wilderness can survive a lot more than 2 days without food and water.. They just get weaker and weaker. No one is catatonic 1 minute and than hopping on a gurney without assistance the next moment...Also the patients I was exposed to that became psychotic had a longer progression in their symptoms. They didn't just wake up one morning and were psychotic. There was a gradual loss of contact with reality--also thoughts become disordered and than behavior goes to heck...All of this evolving in 24 to 48 hrs is too rapid for me to accept. Please people who are involved with psychotic patients---give us your expert opinions.
IMHO

Amen!! I agree... psychosis doesn't occur like the flip of a switch. It's a gradual decline. I'm not an expert but that's my understanding.

 

[zoey]

croakerqueen123 ‏@croakerqueen · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting #theatertrial - Day 40 - Part 1: http://youtu.be/q90yT-4fwMY?a bbm

 

[Maisiebelle]

Ooh that tennis was exiting. Andy Murray won! Yay! Now I can focus on the trial


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[zoey]

The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 3m3 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Jeremiah Leadem is testifying. He transported JH from jail to Denver Health.

Stated they saw him on camera voluntarily hold arms out, fall back. Denied loss of consciousness. Got up & did it again
Began exhibiting combative behavior and bruise on forehead.

JH moved by cell to ambulance by stretcher. Escorted JH out of cell, sat on gurney himself.
Guards were helping him onto gurney. He rode in back of amb. with JH

Observed - JH didn’t seem reliable, couldn’t hold conversation. Asked JH to do things, he was able to do that.
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Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 2m2 minutes ago
Leadem transported JH after he fell off off cell bunk and rammed head into the wall. They rolled him on stretcher. #TheaterShooti

 

[zoey]

The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 59s59 seconds ago
#theatershooting

JH repeated same phrase over and over on way to hosp

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Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 47s47 seconds ago
Leadem says Holmes "didn't seem reliable" describing condition after Nov 2012 bunk fall post-#theatershooting. But physically, Holmes was OK

 

[zoey]

Leadem: "The phrase is 'you can't teach an old dog new tricks.'"
It's a standard phrase used to see if the patient can speak without slurring

Leadem: "I saw what I believed was an old-appearing contusion/bruise across his forehead... About the size of a baseball

4 minutes ago

Leadem: "He wasn't able to hold a conversation... I asked him to repeat a phrase... he would continue to repeat that phrase during the transport anica.padilla

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The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

JH given fluids, drew blood, and blood sugar taken in EMS

Leader saw “old appearing” contusion across forehead. Size of baseball
JH went in for CT scan

 

[zoey]

Leadem said four people grabbed the sheets and slid the gunman from the gurney to the CAT scan table. anica.padilla

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Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 2m2 minutes ago
Leadem: "Old contusion" on Holmes' head after Nov 2012 bunk fall post-#theatershooting was "size of baseball." Live: http://link.kdvr.com/1g6IyWQ