CO - Jessica Hernandez, 17, killed by police after LEO struck by stolen car

[katydid23]

Technically a felon is someone who has been convicted of a felony. While it is likely that the girl had committed the felony of car theft, she was not convicted, due to being shot dead rather than taken alive.

If someone is fleeing in a stolen car, they are committing a couple of felonies, right before the officers eyes. Thus technically, they can be seen by them as felons.

 

[Woodland]

Fwiw - I think JH put the car in drive and had her foot on the gas before the car engaged from park to drive. I think JH was shot as soon as she was seen putting the car in drive. Since gas pedal had already been pressed, it shot forward. But JH had no control over the forward movement. Jmo.

 

[CoolJ]

Have you seen the crime scene photos? There was a very tiny area available for her to manuveur through. And she took off fast, IN HIS DIRECTION. If she continued in that same way she would have hit him. And IN FACT she did hit him.

If she took off FAST, then how did the LEO's WALK up to the window to shoot her?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

But the witness, who you seem to believe, did not say that. She said she was trying to drive away. Not drive directly into the LEO.

I believe that Jessica did try to drive away. What caused her to get shot was that there was a cop standing in the direction that she was driving. JMO.

 

[Fred Hall]

If someone is fleeing in a stolen car, they are committing a couple of felonies, right before the officers eyes. Thus technically, they can be seen by them as felons.

Then why are they referred to as suspects?

 

[katydid23]

Then why are they referred to as suspects?

They are suspects when they are sitting in the stolen car. They become felons, by choice, when they ignore commands to step out of the stolen car, and they drive away. :wink:

 

[Fred Hall]

I believe that Jessica did try to drive away. What caused her to get shot was that there was a cop standing in the direction that she was driving. JMO.

And that cop shot her? Through her driver's side window?

 

[katydid23]

If she took off FAST, then how did the LEO's WALK up to the window to shoot her?

In my opinion, :cow: , the cops walked up, said PLEASE STEP OUT---and she quickly gassed the car to flee as they opened fire. A cop standing alongside could get off three shots very quickly, imo.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

And that cop shot her? Through her driver's side window?

No. The other cop did. JMO

 

[Fred Hall]

They are suspects when they are sitting in the stolen car. They become felons, by choice, when they ignore commands to step out of the stolen car, and they drive away. :wink:

The determination that someone has committed a felony is made by a court, not on the spot by a police officer.

 

[katydid23]

Fwiw - I think JH put the car in drive and had her foot on the gas before the car engaged from park to drive. I think JH was shot as soon as she was seen putting the car in drive. Since gas pedal had already been pressed, it shot forward. But JH had no control over the forward movement. Jmo.

Talk about splitting hairs. :wink: So does that mean she was not trying to flee?

Seems to me if she put her foot on the gas and shifted to DRIVE she was fleeing the scene.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

In my opinion, :cow: , the cops walked up, said PLEASE STEP OUT---and she quickly gassed the car to flee as they opened fire. A cop standing alongside could get off three shots very quickly, imo.

That sounds like a reasonable scenario to me. At that distance it wouldn't be that hard to track a moving target and get some hits. Fits with the facts as we know them. JMO.

 

[CoolJ]

I believe that Jessica did try to drive away. What caused her to get shot was that there was a cop standing in the direction that she was driving. JMO.

Pretty sure it standard operating procedure for a LEO to NOT stand in front of a car that is "pulled over"

 

[Fred Hall]

No. The other cop did. JMO

Again, multiple side on shots landed on the driver of a moving car. I ain't buying it.

 

[katydid23]

The determination that someone has committed a felony is made by a court, not on the spot by a police officer.

Of course. But the cops are the ones that testify to the crimes. if they tell the driver of a stolen car TO STOP and that driver flees in the stolen car, the cop is witnessing a FELONY. And thus, they can determine that the driver is a fleeing felon. Cops do not have to wait for the trial to put the 'fleeing felon' response into effect.

 

[katydid23]

Again, multiple side on shots landed on the driver of a moving car. I ain't buying it.

Three shots. that takes about 1/4 of a second to shoot. Have you ever been to the target range and seen how accurate working cops are?

 

[Woodland]

Talk about splitting hairs. :wink: So does that mean she was not trying to flee?

Seems to me if she put her foot on the gas and shifted to DRIVE she was fleeing the scene.

I agree she was trying to flee - have all along. It's no reason for LE to shoot. Not yet anyway.

 

[Fred Hall]

Talk about splitting hairs. :wink: So does that mean she was not trying to flee?

Seems to me if she put her foot on the gas and shifted to DRIVE she was fleeing the scene.

Again, conflating fleeing with intentionally ramming an officer.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Pretty sure it standard operating procedure for a LEO to NOT stand in front of a car is "pulled over"

I think he was arriving as backup and came on the scence from the wrong direction. A mistake for sure but not one that makes him responsible for Jessica trying to run him over. JMO.

 

[CoolJ]

Any recent articles that report on what the narrative is from the DPD point of view?