CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #19

[nursebeeme]

There are still other things, I don't get. He chose Jessica. Why? How, he must have seen her. The window, he had to snatch her was pretty small, so was he just lucky or was he prepared? And then the story about the backpack. Shall I believe, he just drove around and accidentally dropped the backpack near to a registered sex offender's place?

An apparent planner and hunter. We cannot forget the memorial day charges.

 

[Worry Wart]

Has the Judge in the James Holmes case done anything out of the ordinary to limit the public's info? I thought because of the high profile nature of that, it was. Wondering if the same would happen here.

Gosh yes. Cameras are not allowed ( have not been since his first appearance) and most info is sealed . It's an issue of seating an impartial jury they say.

 

[tiredblondy]

I was going to give a link and it turned out to be one for Pork Fried Rice. Ugh. Going to bed.fftobed:

:therethere: LOL Ransom, been there done that. Nite

 

[Wondergirl]

No shortage of $ for a lawyer, if this is true. History of violence in the home. Picture of the mansion in the video link.

Austin Sigg’s father, 48-year-old Robert Sigg, has a long criminal history dating back decades.

He now lives in a sprawling Parker mansion on a hilltop overlooking the city.

We have learned he is in Mexico on business. He is the owner of Performance One, a media company in Centennial.


http://kdvr.com/2012/10/24/ridgeway-murder-suspect-austin-siggs-father-no-stranger-to-police/

 

[Peazzzer]

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[i8mypaint]

So while I am glad they found justice for that sweet little girl, I received an email from the school district today about two separate men staring at children. One watched a girl rake leaves for a while and another waited just outside the school. I am saddened by the fact that yes, this sick man will be put away, but I still do not feel safe for my child. It is a sad world we live in today. I hope that all these lower than scum pedophiles will go away, but I'm not sure if it's been brought to the forefront and they think they have some inconceivable right to stare and gawk at children. I know how I protect mine, I just worry for other kids.
Note to self: Always take photos and get license plate numbers. Always.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I absolutely agree.

So, anyone who throws stones at Shefner might as well heave some my way as well.

I wouldn't throw anything at either of you but money and chocolate, lol!

But have to be honest here and say that my compassionativity thingy must be busted because I honestly do not feel my heart squeeze for anyone but the victims. And by victims I mean anyone who has been hurt by the actions of this, or any murderer (or rapist, or abuser).

It really isn't a "head over heart" thing where I am holding back compassion because I don't feel it is deserved. I just don't feel a thing for them except that I want them gone. Locked up. Never to get out. Buh bye. Maybe a sense of revulsion, too.

And I know many perps were once victims but when they cross over I just got nuthin' for them.

I do admire the huge hearts you both have, though.

 

[northxnorthwest]

WOW. Just got home and saw the news. I can't believe it. I'm so happy this SICK PIECE OF SCUM won't be out free anymore. How horrifying, I feel so bad for his parents. It's one thing to know your kid is a "little off" but to find out that he brutally murdered an innocent child is another thing. So glad he has been arrested. I wonder if he was "cleared" earlier by LE or if he was just never on their radar?


Off topic but one of my special pets died today, a small baby turtle and I've been pretty torn up about it all day but, earlier my boyfriend reminded me that he is probably making lots of little kids in heaven very happy to play with such a cute little guy so, it made me feel a bit better and I hope he is a nice little friend to everyone up there, especially Jessica.

 

[nikb]

I also don't believe his version. I've never felt the backpack drop was about distraction. If a distraction was desired, I would think an item of Jessica's might have been left across town, or in a random dumpster, or bush, but her folded clothing in her bag left sitting neatly on a sidewalk? No.

Was it confirmed that her clothing was in the backpack? (sorry if I missed it, having a very hard time keeping up)

 

[GrainneDhu]

There are still other things, I don't get. He chose Jessica. Why? How, he must have seen her. The window, he had to snatch her was pretty small, so was he just lucky or was he prepared? And then the story about the backpack. Shall I believe, he just drove around and accidentally dropped the backpack near to a registered sex offender's place?

I don't know.

Assuming that he did place the backpack with the intention that it be found fairly quickly to draw attention away from the Ketner Lake area, then logic says he'd drop it in a populated area, not out in the wilderness somewhere. How far away from the RSO's residence was the backpack placed in feet?

I think logic would eliminate places like malls, grocery stores, gas stations, anywhere that probably has a security cam going. So those area would be blacked out.

Then, to figure it out, I think someone who is much better at maps and computers than I am could draw a circle with a radius of that many feet around each RSO's residence in, say, the northern suburbs of Denver.

And that would give some idea of how easy or difficult it might be to accidentally place a backpack near an RSO's residence.

 

[Etilema]

I don't know.

Assuming that he did place the backpack with the intention that it be found fairly quickly to draw attention away from the Ketner Lake area, then logic says he'd drop it in a populated area, not out in the wilderness somewhere. How far away from the RSO's residence was the backpack placed in feet?

I think logic would eliminate places like malls, grocery stores, gas stations, anywhere that probably has a security cam going. So those area would be blacked out.

Then, to figure it out, I think someone who is much better at maps and computers than I am could draw a circle with a radius of that many feet around each RSO's residence in, say, the northern suburbs of Denver.

And that would give some idea of how easy or difficult it might be to accidentally place a backpack near an RSO's residence.

But there was also the high-profile baby murder in that general spot. Was that coincidence?


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[nursebeeme]

Was it confirmed that her clothing was in the backpack? (sorry if I missed it, having a very hard time keeping up)

No.... Not by le.

 

[Nore]

Though the ridgeway family can never get closure, I do hope the arrest gives some amount of peace to Sara and Jeremiah. I hope that AS will continue to do the right thing and not put the family through a trial and to torture them and the community with details of his horrid crime.

I hope that AS is telling the truth as well about JR being killed shortly after the kidnapping. This is the most unusual crime because it seems like he did it more for the joy of killing rather than a pedophile type motive. I guess in time we will find out where the strangling took place. Perhaps he tied her up, then drove to his home and did the act in her driveway? It just is so bizarre....

I hope the community has some compassion for the brother as well. Kids can be so mean and I cannot imagine how the poor brother can go back to school. The mother too. Think of how she must feel when she goes back to work, etc. AS destroyed two families here.

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First I DO have compassion for the families involved in this. I'm sure they are even more upset than we are. i praay they find Jessicas parts so her family can feel they buried her, took care of her. I feel Jessicas father should be allowed to express to Austin just how much better HE feels knowing how his precious daughter died....just a half hour O.K.?:what:

 

[jillycat]

But jilly go back to being 17. His reasoning or not reasoning wouldn't be that of an adult. So I can see him placing the bp there , near the neighborhood...maybe for no particular reason.
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He's being charged as an adult. Colorado law allows for this under certain circumstances, which include consideration of the type of offense and the extent of any prior criminal history. The law intends this allowance for a reason.

Being 17 didn't hinder him from being fully prepared to commit an organized brutal murder that involved dismemberment of his victim and the hauling of the victim's torso to one area, the hiding of other remains in the same home in which his mother and sibling reside, some serious clean-up somewhere along the way, and the neat depositing of the victim's personal belongings. Whether he's telling the truth about how and when he actually killed this child or not, he made a series of decisions over a period of time that, from where I'm sitting, are not a product of off the cuff adolescent reasoning.

He spent time on this crime. He found ways to not only find and abduct a victim, subdue her, tie her (this means he had a means to do so at his immediate disposal), dismember her body, separate parts he wanted to dispose of from parts he wanted to keep in his close proximity, he folded articles of clothing, placed them in the victim's pack, and left it upright on a residential sidewalk where it was sure to be noticed. Note, he didn't toss her backpack with items she had in it, as the pack existed when he encountered her - rather, he controlled what LE found in that pack and how it appeared when found. Putting clothing only he could have removed from the victim in the pack that was part of the LE description of what the public should be on alert for is, in my opinion, a thoughtfully considered behavior. A profiler, whose remarks were in MSM news articles, said it sent the message, 'I did this, I'm the one you're looking for.'

He's been described in the MSM by a friend as being "arrogant" and he was also described as "brilliant." He confessed to his mother, then confessed again to LE in some detail, yet, in my view, either told a tale that isn't entirely plausible, or, the police aren't filling in all the blanks just yet. It makes no sense to me that he simply grabbed a kid, quick hog-tied her in the car, then immediately strangled her, then transported the torso (where's the part about how she ended up "not intact"?) to the dump site, dropped off the backpack on a sidewalk, standing it up, then went home and hid the rest of her remains in the crawlspace. Just like that? Boom?

And if he did kill her that quickly, in my view, it was because he ultimately wanted a body to control and perform further acts of brutality on for his own enjoyment, and that requires goal setting and a highly organized skill set.

I worked with some scary people while doing casework in a non-profit social services environment, and what linked the sociopaths together and separated them from the rest of my clients, was the desire to talk about things that interested them in a manner that manipulated the listener and drove the conversation in a direction that was satisfying to the storyteller. On the surface, it appears this individual gave it all up because he was essentially already caught, and that may be so, but at another level, I don't buy that he's finished with exerting his control over what LE does and believes about him. He may be telling most of the truth, but I suspect he is enjoying feeling some measure of control over the disclosure of some of the details of what he's done. Frankly, his remark about "distracting" LE says to me he's been closely watching the coverage since its been theorized in the media that the backpack could be a distraction. His claim sounds like a manipulative parroting of that. Just my opinion.

For a predator, it's not just about the killing. It's about the savoring of the entire crime and re-living it, and conveying information in a controlled manner that is always about drawing attention to the perpetrator and his 'power' or skill. It's never about the victim or the families or anyone else. Victims are simply pawns in a predator's endgame.

He may only be 17, but what we know so far about him strikes me as someone who's proud of his accomplishments. He was described as "cooperative" with the police after he turned himself in at his home.

This individual also had the nerve to try and overcome an adult woman with a chemical soaked rag and he wasn't deterred by his failure. He simply sorted out a weaker victim in his culling of the herd.

In my view, he's no less cunning or tactically shrewd than any other predator simply because he happens to be in an adolescent body.

 

[mck16]

I hav\e just been able to get back on the forum because my dog got bitten by a copperhead and I have been at the emergency vet dealing with that.

So, has there been any indication that JR knew this person or if any of her friends knew him? tia

 

[tiredblondy]

http://kdvr.com/2012/10/22/8-year-old-girl-says-one-word-stopped-her-potential-kidnappers/

Oh wow I hadn't seen this before although it had two men it was also a green suv.

 

[AstroKitty]

So while I am glad they found justice for that sweet little girl, I received an email from the school district today about two separate men staring at children. One watched a girl rake leaves for a while and another waited just outside the school. I am saddened by the fact that yes, this sick man will be put away, but I still do not feel safe for my child. It is a sad world we live in today. I hope that all these lower than scum pedophiles will go away, but I'm not sure if it's been brought to the forefront and they think they have some inconceivable right to stare and gawk at children. I know how I protect mine, I just worry for other kids.
Note to self: Always take photos and get license plate numbers. Always.

Off topic but once back in the 80's there was a guy driving up and down W.23rd where I lived, now that's not unusual given where I lived and it was the 80's. But something about the way he drove and the way he would pull over and stare at people come and go, then swiftly drive off. One day I was outside with a camera another artist gave me in the building, I had seen this guy and I walked behind his car and took a photo of the license plate. Man I had guts because I think I would be too scared of retaliation now. It was with a polaroid camera, and I took it up to my apt and showed my mom. I convinced her he was weird and something wasn't right. She called the DMV and the LE. We later found out that this guy was picking up the prostitutes that were still in that area and killing them. I don't know what his name was coined, it was the 80's and NYC but I'm sure someone can find it. It was a white car, white man probably about late 20's or early 30's. He reminded me of what I knew then as a "speed freak". I could never do that now though, I would be frightened to be attacked.

I have to say I get a lil' weirded out when I read how anyone that's an introvert (oh and this isn't directed towards anything you said btw) is seen as "weird". My youngest child is high functioning and no one would know unless I told them but he has Aspergers. He has socializing issues, plays minecraft and has a good time, he's great in school but has 1 friend. He's a sweet awesome kid but he just doesn't bode well with people. He likes to read and be by himself. He's a helper and likes to do environmental and animal rights things but people just bug him out. And I end up mumbling to myself all the time, lol I think it's a mom thing because we are so used to no one listening to us anyway

 

[Foxfire]

I am anxious to learn more about this suspect; so far, there has been nothing released that shows him to be off-the-charts unusual, other than possibly a child saying he looked at her strangely, and to be honest, I am not 100% convinced that the child ID'd this particular suspect. But even if true-so far, he sounds like a quiet, slightly odd teenager whose parents would probably have seen as "doing his own thing" "introspective" "unusual" etc...the type of teenage boy that many people have living in their homes. Yes, his interests seem unusual, but forensics is very hot right now, so that in itself is not that creepy, without knowing what we know now.

So, what are the warning signs here? Are there any?

RE: other than possibly a child saying he looked at her strangely, and to be honest, I am not 100% convinced that the child ID'd this particular suspect

I am convinced that the mom was honest when she shared her daughter's revelation. In John Douglas's book 'Journey into the Darkness', he discusses the qualifications looked for in FBI BAU profilers. Perception and instincts are very high on the list. Experience & education are also important but to a lesser extent. Not everyone has these traits or ability to identify evil. Those without it are normally skeptical of those with this gift, imo..

http://law.wustl.edu/journal/54/Ingram_.pdf

 

[scadder21]

I hav\e just been able to get back on the forum because my dog got bitten by a copperhead and I have been at the emergency vet dealing with that.

So, has there been any indication that JR knew this person or if any of her friends knew him? tia

I hope your dog will be ok

 

[Rougelatete]

Hi Peeps!

3.) There is a prevailing sentiment in these threads that it is shocking that such a heinous crime could be enacted by someone at such a young age as AS... 17 years old. I wonder if, statistically, this is not so very abnormal if we are to look at records dating many years ago...

Respectfully snipped.

I agree with what you wrote. I also think some of them just don't get caught until much later. Their first crimes were committed as teenagers and they go on killing for years, decades even, before LE catches up (i.e. Jeffrey Dahmer committed his first murder at age 18, there is some circumstantial evidence that Ted Bundy first killed at age 14, etc). Often, they make savvy choices about who to select as victims (i.e. people that, sadly, won't be missed such as persons who are homeless or those engaging in prostitution).

I think that's one big mistake AS made....Jessica's absence was noticed fairly immediately, it was widely reported by the media, and worked on fiercely by LE. Had AS chosen a more 'easily forgotten' victim, he may have gone undetected for quite a while. I am somewhat on the fence about whether or not they will find more human victims (I am certain they will uncover evidence of animal killings/mutilations). If they do find more victims, I believe it will be someone they have great difficulty identifying and who was never reported missing. That said, I believe it is more likely that Jessica was his first human victim, seeing as he had multiple (failed) attempts prior to her and selecting a child who would be missed was not the most ideal way to go undetected.