CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[MistyWaters]

Anyone good at maps to give a visual of where the swamp is located in relation to the trailer

Wasn’t it the Globe and Mail that described the home to be surrounded by swamps? Google maps doesn’t reveal any shallow bodies of water in the area, other than Lansdowne Lake which was searched by divers.

So I wonder what the writer’s definition of ‘swamp’ is? It could be anything from like the Florida Everglades to common bog or muskeg, which really is only marshy soft ground. I’d be very surprised if the RCMP overlooked any wet areas because it would be opportune for leaving footprints.

We do know they utilized helicopters with heat sensor cameras and drones that had capability of small image recognition taking 70,000 pics. IMO their search was as thorough as possible benefited by various modern devices.
JMO

 

[su5ie]

Wasn’t it the Globe and Mail that described the home to be surrounded by swamps? Google maps doesn’t reveal any shallow bodies of water in the area, other than Lansdowne Lake which was searched by divers.

So I wonder what the writer’s definition of ‘swamp’ is? It could be anything from like the Florida Everglades to common bog or muskeg, which really is only marshy soft ground. I’d be very surprised if the RCMP overlooked any wet areas because it would be opportune for leaving footprints.

We do know they utilized helicopters with heat sensor cameras and drones that had capability of small image recognition taking 70,000 pics. IMO their search was as thorough as possible benefited by various modern devices.
JMO

Yes I seen this quoted , 70,000 pics of a search area is a hell of a lot , one would conjure up imaginings that it was every square inch that was captured by the drones

What is a musket, I've never heard of that before and like learning new things

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes I seen this quoted , 70,000 pics of a search area is a hell of a lot , one would conjure up imaginings that it was every square inch that was captured by the drones

What is a musket, I've never heard of that before and like learning new things

Muskeg is just marshy ground that feet sink into. Very common in Canada.

Muskeg (from Cree maskek and Ojibwe mashkiig, meaning “grassy bog”)

https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/muskeg#:~:text=Muskeg%20(from%20Cree%20maskek%20and,courtesy%20Gord%20McKenna%20/%20Flickr%20CC)

 

[musicaljoke]

DM states case should have been closed from the start , I'm assuming meaning after that first search ,OK Wow . First of all he states a huge amount of resources have gone into searching the woods and then he states peoples time and injuries.

I get empathy prehaps concern for people giving so much of themselves to the search . But would grateful not be better words to express here!! What I don't get is his his worry about how much money is being spent on finding his step children. From the tone of the language used he seems to feel its a waste hmmm . Never heard a parent of missing children concerned about what was being spent ?? More funds yes .

Now his statement, fingers have been pointed , now let's take a look .

Question , whom has pointed fingers? The rcmp ,? YT influencers ? fb huns ? Mbms family ? Himself? As far as I'm aware only fingers being pointed are on SM and the incident that possibly could be construed as a finger pointing one could be the argument between two families on May the 3rd which was reported in msm but was that argument re meadow remaining on the property, lilly and jack or accusations being fired either way

So my summary of these statements is he feels any additional resources put into searching the woods by rcmp or volunteers is a waste of time . How does he know its not a case that they haven't been found yet and two he wants the rcmp to invest time ,money and resources into investigating whoever is at the end of the finger being pointed ??? OK

He really believes that the children never went into the woods, so logically, he would think that searching the woods is a waste of money and that resources should be directed into what he seems to believe was a kidnapping.

For all we know, he might be right, although LE has said there was no evidence of kidnapping.

Wandering into the woods is still the most likely reason and the simplest explanation for their disappearance. The woods in that area is absolutely unforgiving. If that was the way they went, it's possible that the children will never be found.

 

[musicaljoke]

Wasn’t it the Globe and Mail that described the home to be surrounded by swamps? Google maps doesn’t reveal any shallow bodies of water in the area, other than Lansdowne Lake which was searched by divers.

So I wonder what the writer’s definition of ‘swamp’ is? It could be anything from like the Florida Everglades to common bog or muskeg, which really is only marshy soft ground. I’d be very surprised if the RCMP overlooked any wet areas because it would be opportune for leaving footprints.

We do know they utilized helicopters with heat sensor cameras and drones that had capability of small image recognition taking 70,000 pics. IMO their search was as thorough as possible benefited by various modern devices.
JMO

Unfortunately, the helicopters, heat sensor cameras and drones were of limited value because of the dense tree canopy. I wish that the pics turn out to be helpful, but I don't have a lot of confidence that they will show much.

 

[OneLove]

Unfortunately, the helicopters, heat sensor cameras and drones were of limited value because of the dense tree canopy. I wish that the pics turn out to be helpful, but I don't have a lot of confidence that they will show much.

Thankfully, the tracking dogs were quickly on the scene. They picked up plenty of scent of the kids in the house and on the property but none leaving the property except at the end of the driveway, That means they almost certainly did not wander off into the woods or the dogs would have picked up scent at *least* leaving the property where their scent was plentiful. Since the end of the driveway was probably where they got on the school bus (but not that day), odds are very high the children never wandered into the woods.

What happened to Jack and Lily?

 

[LadyL]

My takeaway was after the initial searches the day of disappearance, and in the immediate days afterward, DM thought it was a waste of time/resources continuing to search that location, since they didn't find the kids.

I seem to recall some folks here pretty much saying the same thing - with all those searchers and them not finding the kids, folks suspected they weren't actually in the woods in the first place (or never were). Maybe once the searches happened, DM began thinking the same thing, and started thinking of specific people he might be suspicious of? Total speculation based on his comments & based on presumption of his innocence.

jmo

didn't he and M say in the very beginning they believed the kids to have been abducted?

 

[musicaljoke]

Thankfully, the tracking dogs were quickly on the scene. They picked up plenty of scent of the kids in the house and on the property but none leaving the property except at the end of the driveway, That means they almost certainly did not wander off into the woods or the dogs would have picked up scent at *least* leaving the property where their scent was plentiful. Since the end of the driveway was probably where they got on the school bus (but not that day), odds are very high the children never wandered into the woods.

What happened to Jack and Lily?

The fact that dogs didn't pick up their scent doesn't exclude the fact that the kids may be in the woods. It only means that the dogs didn't pick up their scent.

SAR dogs accuracy is about 76%.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

What you’re describing seems a situation of LE coming up with a theory that criminality was involved and then hoping to find evidence to support a conviction. But that’s opposite of how the RCMP claim they conduct their investigations, by following the evidence to wherever it takes them. So I get the impression if evidence was found with criminal implications, this would already have become a criminal investigation in order to further a ‘slam dunk’.

However I admit it’s utterly mystifying how two children could disappear without any criminality involved, given the cadaver dogs were unsuccessful. I’d be very curious how the RCMP think that could be possible.
JMO

Sorry no, not what I was trying to say....,

Not LE "coming up", hoping for or creating a theory - gathering enough evidence to bring to a judge/lawyers to get support solid charges.

They might have evidence already for all we know and brought to a lawyer, but lawyers might want more so there's no wiggle room for a defence to poke holes through.

They don't want a half-baked case IF murder is involved. I think many crimes in Canada go cold because LE might have "some" evidence but not "enough" evidence to persecute in a court of law. MOO JMO