CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct. 2012 - #23

[kkdj]

Or, he could've got her in his boot and driven his car straight to his comfort zone/operating room.

If this zone isn't at either of his parent's house, where is it?

ullhair:

What do you mean got her in his boot?

 

[SapphireSteel]

What do you mean got her under his boot?

Gosh sorry.

A car boot here is the trunk.

Cultural difference...:blushing:

 

[catswhiskers]

Just my ramblings and opinion/guesses here ...

I keep thinking of the psychological disorders that feature a lack of all empathy as one of their symptoms - AS certainly displays no empathy whatsoever throughout his horrible deeds in this case. I have it in my head that he just wanted to do this for the experience or thrill, and maybe notoriety or to prove something to others, without even considering any consequences - or at least thinking that he was too clever to be discovered.

I think his victim meant so little to him, and was objectified to such an extent, that he was probably very surprised at both the public's and LE's outcry and involvement in the search for Jessica, and then in turn hunt for him. He probably still thinks he is clever enough to outsmart the courts too.

:moo:

And yes I am not getting the connection between the catdoor/vent or any other surmising about the layout of the house. I think LE probably know where the relevant crime scenes are, or wouldn't we be aware of ongoing searches at other sites? To me it doesn't seem important whether it happened in his basement/bedroom/bathroom/garage - AS obviously had the privacy and time he needed - it wouldn't be unusual for him to have his own room or part of the house that was considered his "man cave" that his family would have stayed away from. My own younger teen doesn't want me in his room most of the time because he knows I will just start nagging about the mess - so I actually don't venture in too often.

OK really rambling now, so will leave it there ...

 

[otto]

Well, if he though rationally he would have never have killed her and cut up her body in the first place, let alone put body parts in his crawl space.

But maybe for the reason you give. It was too cold for him to stay there. So he decided to take the body back to his house. Maybe while he was loading the body parts into his car, he saw another car coming down the road. So he got scarred and had to leave the torso on the side of the road and take off in a hurry.

From what I know about that area from many years ago. I think there would have been pretty light traffic on that road. But there would be occasional cars passing by. So he could have been interrupted while loading the body in his car.

This was a carefully planned abduction. I'm sure he considered the weather, and had a plan that optimized his comfort.

 

[otto]

I have read that head, hands, and feet were what was missing. I don't know what was found at the house. I don't think they have released that. And I can't imagine why those were missing except for identification. And I can't imagine he was so sloppy as to leaving dna on the backpack. It seems to me he was interrupted or he got to a point and didn't know what to do. I think he panicked and that is why he confessed to his mother. The crime he committed was deplorable, but he still is a child mentally. Dumping a torso and keeping parts at his home makes no sense. jmo

I think that was early speculation ... when no one knew for sure what was found at the open space. The question was whether "not intact" meant that identifiable information, like dental records and finger prints, were removed. It was only after Sigg's arrest that facts about the torso being found were confirmed.

 

[superbee]

I'm the 1st to admit that this "exhaust escape" is totally new to me.

However, in spite of me having nothing but the greatest repect you, GrannieDhu, why wouldn't the mechanics/farmers simply temporarily raise the garage doors to test whether or not the vehicle will now start/run properly? IDK...

Because where she lives, and I live (much further North) it gets so darn cold. At -20F. the heat would be gone from the area, and can you imagine how cold your hands, and the rest of you, would be? And then try to use tools? It can be a real bad misery working in the cold. Do you get Ice Road Truckers on your tv? That's how bad it can be in many places. Keep your wig warm!!!

 

[otto]

Just my ramblings and opinion/guesses here ...

I keep thinking of the psychological disorders that feature a lack of all empathy as one of their symptoms - AS certainly displays no empathy whatsoever throughout his horrible deeds in this case. I have it in my head that he just wanted to do this for the experience or thrill, and maybe notoriety or to prove something to others, without even considering any consequences - or at least thinking that he was too clever to be discovered.

I think his victim meant so little to him, and was objectified to such an extent, that he was probably very surprised at both the public's and LE's outcry and involvement in the search for Jessica, and then in turn hunt for him. He probably still thinks he is clever enough to outsmart the courts too.

:moo:

And yes I am not getting the connection between the catdoor/vent or any other surmising about the layout of the house. I think LE probably know where the relevant crime scenes are, or wouldn't we be aware of ongoing searches at other sites? To me it doesn't seem important whether it happened in his basement/bedroom/bathroom/garage - AS obviously had the privacy and time he needed - it wouldn't be unusual for him to have his own room or part of the house that was considered his "man cave" that his family would have stayed away from. My own younger teen doesn't want me in his room most of the time because he knows I will just start nagging about the mess - so I actually don't venture in too often.

OK really rambling now, so will leave it there ...

He does have sociopathic tendencies. I too believe that he assumed that he was too clever to get caught. Had he not left DNA on the jogger (probably didn't know that he had), had thrown away the backpack (DNA evidence), the torso had not been found, and his cross (DNA at open space) had not been found, then he would have gotten away with it. He didn't expect any of the above to happen.

He admitted that remains would be found in the crawl space under the house. We can assume that they belonged to Jessica.

Did he murder her somewhere else, leave some remains at the culvert and then take some of the remains home? If so, why? If he was scientfically curious, he could have found a remote spot ... more remote than a culvert.

 

[otto]

Because where she lives, and I live (much further North) it gets so darn cold. At -20F. the heat would be gone from the area, and can you imagine how cold your hands, and the rest of you, would be? And then try to use tools? It can be a real bad misery working in the cold. Do you get Ice Road Truckers on your tv? That's how bad it can be in many places. Keep your wig warm!!!

So, in terms of gokarts, rather than big rigs, and rigging the closed garage doors such that some exhaust goes out the bottom of the garage overhead door ... perhaps rising into the bedroom window above, what are the chances this would happen while the house is being renovated and two children are under the age of three? I supposed the interior door between the garage and the family room would be sealed ... to ensure safety of the two children ... but that would be awfully inconvenient for someone hauling two babies and groceries into the kitchen from the driving pad, rather than the garage.

Where would the gokarts be when the family needed the garage for both vehicles in the cold winter ... or would the family have to park outside during the cold winter so someone could tinker with gokarts?

I don't know ... this doesn't make sense to me if I look at the bigger picture ... beyond the graphic at the bottom left corner of a photo of the garage.

 

[otto]

Space heaters are used in a garage in the winter if someone needs to tinker with a car, but the garage overhead door should always be opened if the engine is started. The liability associated with do it yourself carbon monoxide ventilation in an attached, family home garage is so high that I can't imagine any company selling a product that guarantees that sort of safety for home use.

The crawl space is not vented via a hose that goes through the garage door.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I read tweets that said anywhere from body parts to body remnants. WTH? I thought the latter one was extremely wrong to tweet & they worded the tweet, extremely wrong. It was a newscaster but didn't save it, could have been a link also. It's probably long gone. I thought about that afterwards and can only think someone rewrote & took over on the tweeting. That word had me wondering for days and still does now.

I think they might have found the crime scene in the home of ARS.

Many brought up the thought of embalming over the past threads. I don't remember which one though but has been discussed a lot now and then.

My apologies for being so useless but the crime scene thoughts & what was where of J, I guess I resolved in my mind when it all came out. Guess I'll have to look at it differently?

RIP, Jessica, RIP.

 

[otto]

So ... he had some sort of embalming lab in the crawl space of the house? I just don't understand what that is about. Seems like wild speculation.

 

[enzeder]

I read tweets that said anywhere from body parts to body remnants. WTH? I thought the latter one was extremely wrong to tweet & they worded the tweet, extremely wrong. It was a newscaster but didn't save it, could have been a link also. It's probably long gone. I thought about that afterwards and can only think someone rewrote & took over on the tweeting. That word had me wondering for days and still does now.

I think they might have found the crime scene in the home of ARS.

Many brought up the thought of embalming over the past threads. I don't remember which one though but has been discussed a lot now and then.

My apologies for being so useless but the crime scene thoughts & what was where of J, I guess I resolved in my mind when it all came out. Guess I'll have to look at it differently?

RIP, Jessica, RIP.

Here's a piece where it says that DNA remnants were found in the crawl space.

Prosecutors: 'Confession and a DNA match' in Jessica Ridgeway killing

"Authorities have released few details about their case, but investigators told the Denver Post that they found "DNA remnants" in the crawl space of the suspect's home. All court documents have been sealed."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4958180...-match-jessica-ridgeway-killing/#.UJYMP29Fzkc

Sigg himself told police where to find some of Jessica's remains in a crawl space.

"Police say Sigg, 17, confessed to them shortly before he was taken into custody on Tuesday night and told them where to find some of Jessica's remains in a crawl space under a home, CBS Denver reports."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...-by-police-in-2-more-colo-child-luring-cases/

 

[otto]

Here's a piece where it says that DNA remnants were found in the crawl space.

Prosecutors: 'Confession and a DNA match' in Jessica Ridgeway killing

"Authorities have released few details about their case, but investigators told the Denver Post that they found "DNA remnants" in the crawl space of the suspect's home. All court documents have been sealed."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49581808.../#.UJYMP29Fzkc

What do you think was meant with the initial reports quoting Austin as saying that human remains would be found in his crawl space under the house?

"Police came to the home and Sigg, 17, told police in great detail about what happened to Jessica. He also told them that human remains were inside a crawl space under the home."

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/austin-sigg-told-police-where-to-find-human-remains/

 

[Dr. Know?]

So ... he had some sort of embalming lab in the crawl space of the house? I just don't understand what that is about. Seems like wild speculation.

I don't know how creepy ARS is. Also, I read he didn't have enough credits to attend the Mortician class so I wonder if he actually did. Seems lot's based on rumor. Even my op. I just don't know for a fact. I do know you can make chloroform, other stuff too. I'm curious what he tried to subdue the jogger with. My take about his expertise of gaining knock out substances. Could be as easy as homemade anytihing. I didn't know that Visine has been used before to make people sick or can kill I guess. The Baine family murders taught me a lesson. I asked other people about it and they have told some stories too. Eyedrops no less can make you sick as a dog. Messed up people.

jmo

 

[enzeder]

What do you think was meant with the initial reports quoting Austin as saying that human remains would be found in his crawl space under the house?

"Police came to the home and Sigg, 17, told police in great detail about what happened to Jessica. He also told them that human remains were inside a crawl space under the home."

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/austin-sigg-told-police-where-to-find-human-remains/

I see what you mean. I personally believe that he kept some of Jessica's remains in the crawl space just as he told police.

 

[enzeder]

I don't know how creepy ARS is. Also, I read he didn't have enough credits to attend the Mortician class so I wonder if he actually did. Seems lot's based on rumor. Even my op. I just don't know for a fact. I do know you can make chloroform, other stuff too. I'm curious what he tried to subdue the jogger with. My take about his expertise of gaining knock out substances. Could be as easy as homemade anytihing. I didn't know that Visine has been used before to make people sick or can kill I guess. The Baine family murders taught me a lesson. I asked other people about it and they have told some stories too. Eyedrops no less can make you sick as a dog. Messed up people.

jmo

The jogger said "the rag smelled like Chloroform." I see that he hit her as well. What a vile individual Sigg is. imo

Austin Sigg's home in search area for Ketner Lake assault suspect on Memorial Day in Westminster

Excerpt: "He put a rag over her mouth and then hit her," said the dispatcher. "She's still on the north side of the lake. She said the rag smelled like Chloroform."

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ssault-suspect-on-memorial-day-in-westminster

 

[Dr. Know?]

What do you think was meant with the initial reports quoting Austin as saying that human remains would be found in his crawl space under the house?

"Police came to the home and Sigg, 17, told police in great detail about what happened to Jessica. He also told them that human remains were inside a crawl space under the home."

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/austin-sigg-told-police-where-to-find-human-remains/

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At that point, I went back to the words I remember reading via MSM & pressers. Not Intact, dismembered. Phrases like they knew what they were doing. I guess I don't want to imagine what his twisted mind thought from there to do to her. Just sick. I would think it's either her organs removed or body parts he wanted for himself or wanted to hide evidence. I think he was so far on the edge that he was watched by even his family many times. Oh my.

jmo

 

[otto]

I don't know how creepy ARS is. Also, I read he didn't have enough credits to attend the Mortician class so I wonder if he actually did. Seems lot's based on rumor. Even my op. I just don't know for a fact. I do know you can make chloroform, other stuff too. I'm curious what he tried to subdue the jogger with. My take about his expertise of gaining knock out substances. Could be as easy as homemade anytihing. I didn't know that Visine has been used before to make people sick or can kill I guess. The Baine family murders taught me a lesson. I asked other people about it and they have told some stories too. Eyedrops no less can make you sick as a dog. Messed up people.

jmo

I got the impression, at the time remains were found in the open space, that police thought this was done by someone that knew what they were doing ... maybe it was only an implication ... no link. Anyway, maybe Austin knew quite a bit about anatomy with a specific interest in amputations, analyses, identification, mortician ... and so on. Maybe he had an anatomy class and spent a little time in the morgue?

 

[Dr. Know?]

The jogger said "the rag smelled like Chloroform." I see that he hit her as well. What a vile individual Sigg is. imo

Thank you. I have read only that article that said it was Chloroform.

He's so twisted I'm scared to find out his very thoughts or reasonings.

jmo

 

[Dr. Know?]

I got the impression, at the time remains were found in the open space, that police thought this was done by someone that knew what they were doing ... maybe it was only an implication ... no link. Anyway, maybe Austin knew quite a bit about anatomy with a specific interest in amputations, analyses, identification, mortician ... and so on. Maybe he had an anatomy class and spent a little time in the morgue?

I didn't mean to bring rumors here but I agree Otto, you can find anything you want on the internet & via libraries if not online. School too. We have all learned a lot via the internet.