CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #12 *ARREST*

[Charlot123]

Isn't luminol for blood?

Not only. The reaction leading to luminescence does not need blood at all, but iron from hemoglobin can be one of the catalysts. Copper, for example, can be another one.

Luminol - Wikipedia

 

[Jennifer17]

Snipped by me

Confession from someone whose #1 rule is "Don't Talk."

Fingers crossed for a confession and/or LE find a body and a trail of evidence. Could happen.

jmo

I don't think, if he is responsible, he would ever confess.

 

[alucardsdream]

Worse were the high ranking people who, rather than stop it, told me it’s up to me to stop it by saying no. It’s a systemic issue unfortunately. But thank you. I just wonder if KB was in the same situation. It’s a very “good old boy” kind of environment, and if someone else took a liking to her...I just hope that theory is looked into. It’s partially why I’m not 100% sure that PF did this. The aggression I experienced was pretty intense, and saying “no” just made it more of a challenge.

We think of the texts as having to come to someone close to her. But someone who worked with her would know exactly who to text, too

Do we know if KB actually instructed military pilots-in-training? Doss does regular private lessons as well, which makes for a pretty flexible schedule. Either way, your flight instructor is the one signing off in your log book that you've completed the necessary amount of flight hours needed to qualify for your license. I would hope her students saw this as all the incentive needed to treat her with the utmost respect. I'm afraid to even curse in front of my flight instructor. MOO.

I am very sorry you had to deal with something like that. Some workplace cultures are still very hostile to women.

 

[Jennifer17]

Not only. The reaction leading to luminescence does not need blood at all, but iron from hemoglobin can be one of the catalysts. Copper, for example, can be another one.

Luminol - Wikipedia

Copper is an alloy, why would a person have copper in their system?

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

Snipped by me

Confession from someone whose #1 rule is "Don't Talk."

Fingers crossed for a confession and/or LE find a body and a trail of evidence. Could happen.

jmo

Can and will! I have renewed faith due to the fact that Tammy Moorer was locked up for 30 years for kidnapping Heather Elivis. Even without a body. The prosecution painted a picture that lined up the movements of the suspects with the victim with so much accuracy and clarity, the truth couldn't be denied. I have full faith in law enforcement, the FBI and CBI!

I've seen the flip side too where a suspect clams up. That only works as long as evidence doesn't start mounting up and I believe we are there!

 

[Bill Carson]

Do we know if KB actually instructed military pilots-in-training? Doss does regular private lessons as well, which makes for a pretty flexible schedule. Either way, your flight instructor is the one signing off in your log book that you've completed the necessary amount of flight hours needed to qualify for your license. I would hope her students saw this as all the incentive needed to treat her with the utmost respect. I'm afraid to even curse in front of my flight instructor. MOO.

We haven't been given any information about her job. If it involved the military in any capacity, that info may be classified. We've been told she was a "flight instructor," but that could mean many things. She might not have left the ground, ISTM. Or she might have been in the cockpit with future top-guns. We just don't know. MOO

 

[alucardsdream]

Copper is an alloy, why would a person have copper in their system?

There is copper in your bloodstream, along with other elements. Not a ton, but enough that it can be measured.

 

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[Jennifer17]

There is copper in your bloodstream, along with other elements. Not a ton, but enough that it can be measured.

Yeah? From what?

 

[whoizzit]

Cinnamon rolls were in the oven. Breakfast was interrupted? Sorry, I am way behind.

20 demerits! Do not pass Go!

Yes, according to her bro. Lots and LOTS of prior discussion of rolls if you will do a search.

(Unless you are being funny, of course. If so, good one!)

 

[Charlot123]

Copper is an alloy, why would a person have copper in their system?

We all do; and we need daily copper, it is even added to vitamins.

Copper in health - Wikipedia

 

[alucardsdream]

Yeah? From what?

Copper is an element. I think you're thinking of bronze, which is an alloy of tin and copper.

 

[jaspermac]

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FWIW DailyMail:

Kelsey Berreth's mom says her daughter has a strong bond with fiance | Daily Mail Online

"... He [attorney LOEW] also said Frazee had turned over his phone and given DNA swabs to police as part of their investigation.

'Mr Frazee's cooperation includes interviews with law enforcement, voluntarily releasing his phone to be searched by law enforcement, buccal swabs, and photographs,' the lawyer said.

...'Mr Frazee hopes and prays for Ms Berreth's return.' ..."

So I could be interpreting this incorrectly but the lawyer never says PF directly spoke to LE. he just says he voluntarily turned over etc. Usually the lawyer arranges this, and the lawyer is there to make sure no one oversteps their bounds. But you could also assume he is being very helpful and talking and giving samples. Only the police released that he was co-operating...(he is through his lawyer giving samples- dna, buccal who cares they were lovers dna will be all over, photographs?? might be risky but he does work with animals) .... but they want to ask him questions and sit down and talk to him and he is not doing that. So my assumption was communication between PF and LE is through his lawyer. TBH, that doesn't make him guilty, he has family in LE. They would be telling him , don't talk to police, lawyer up. I'm not sure I wouldn't do the same thing, except I would be desperate to help find the MP so how do you straddle that line between self-preservation if you are innocent and finding a loved one. Ditch self-preservation probably. But I'm not in his situation.

 

[Esma]

We haven't been given any information about her job. If it involved the military in any capacity, that info may be classified. We've been told she was a "flight instructor," but that could mean many things. She might not have left the ground, ISTM. Or she might have been in the cockpit with future top-guns. We just don't know. MOO

Her latest flier says ‘police have found both of Kelsey’s cars and a small airplane exactly where she last parked them’

 

[whoizzit]

Copper is an alloy, why would a person have copper in their system?

Normally most of the copper in your bloodis carried by a protein called ceruloplasmin. Adults have 50 and 80 milligrams (mg) of copper in their body, mostly in muscle and the liver. Copper helps make melanin, bone, and connective tissue. It also helps withmany other processes in your body.

Note: it does not help improve iPhone speed mastery

 

[EmilyVan]

Is the general consensus that he acted alone? (if your opinion is that is WAS 'he')

This is something that can absolutely be accomplished by one person... but... I dunno... IMO

I'm almost on a fence about a 2nd party. (no, NOT his mom - a peer or similar)

MOO

 

[Bill Carson]

We all do; and we need daily copper, it is even added to vitamins.

Copper in health - Wikipedia

I know of someone who is trying to avoid the coppers!

 

[Jennifer17]

Copper is an element. I think you're thinking of bronze, which is an alloy of tin and copper.

Yes, you are right.

 

[Elle*Bee]

There is copper in your bloodstream, along with other elements. Not a ton, but enough that it can be measured.

Yeah? From what?

“Adults have 50 and 80 milligrams (mg) of copper in their body, mostly in muscle and the liver. Copper helps make melanin, bone, and connective tissue. It also helps with many other processes in your body. You normally get copper through your diet, in foods like liver and other organ meats, seafood, beans, and whole grains. You get rid of copper in your bowel movements and urine.”

Total Copper (Blood) - Health Encyclopedia - University of Rochester Medical Center

 

[Inthedetails]

Is the general consensus that he acted alone? (if your opinion is that is WAS 'he')

This is something that can absolutely be accomplished by one person... but... I dunno... IMO

I'm almost on a fence about a 2nd party. (no, NOT his mom - a peer or similar)

MOO

Help with cover-up, perhaps.

jmo