CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #14 *ARREST*

[kkdj]

If someone came to me to participate in any way shape or form to commit murder I absolutely would not. (nobody would ever come to me for this btw)
So, who might PF know that he could approach? I'm not trying to sleuth anyone but narrow it down. To me, it would be a friend that had also committed other crimes.

 

[kkdj]

Of course, but that doesn't include his family.

good luck with them getting any rights tho.

 

[Writestuff]

This makes me so upset. Young, good-looking, a pilot, a mom, managing at all, achieving. Isn't it the type of a woman we want to have, and see, more in our society? And everyone says she was a nice person it top of it.

All ended because of some stupid, aggressive loser.

I am very sad, but angry, too.

Reading and agreeing with your statement, I'm wondering what in the world PF could've put on his Christian Mingle account (tinder, whatever) that KB would've found attractive in him.

 

[kkdj]

And I am not willing to assume she wanted to marry PF the murderer

Sometimes people get married for the children or for the family when a child is involved.

 

[yawningreyhound]

Kelsey Berreth and Patrick Frazee were supposed to be in court for a custody hearing

Guys!!!!! That custody hearing WAS scheduled before she went missing! I thought so with the the different case numbers. The plot thickens. Sorry if repeated info, just saw the news here in Colo

 

[miimaa]

Still, to state the phone "ended up" implies it never left the area.

I agree. It was used to send the two texts then disposed of.

 

[miimaa]

Men hate a lot of stuff. Doesn't mean they get to kill people that make them mad.

Of course but some people do irrational things when they aren't getting what they want

 

[enelram]

KB bought her TH in May of 2018. Do we know where she lived prior to that? If she lived there for two years that means 18 months she lived elsewhere. The baby is 14 months old. I wonder if KB bought that place hoping PF would live there with her. When he hadn’t moved in 6 months later she might have thought he wasn’t going to and decided to move on. JMO

Prior to living in Woodland Park, she had a P.O. Box in
Florissant so maybe she did live at his mother's place.

 

[miimaa]

If someone came to me to participate in any way shape or form to commit murder I absolutely would not. (nobody would ever come to me for this btw)
So, who might PF know that he could approach? I'm not trying to sleuth anyone but narrow it down. To me, it would be a friend that had also committed other crimes.

Or someone that owed him money (like the attorney said in one of the videos posted here)

 

[Deleted member 155000]

And I am not willing to assume she wanted to marry PF the murderer

Yep. I here ya. That’s why I’m split too.

 

[SharonNeedles]

I would never take a child to visit a parent who had murdered their other parent. I would protect the child from any involvement with them.

As sad as it seems, incarcerated parents do have parental rights. I know a family here in Iowa where mom murdered dad in the early 90’s while her two sons were toddlers. Life without parole. She was awarded visitation and dad’s family brought the kids to the prison regularly. I know that went on for years before I moved away and lost touch. It was pretty sad all the way around.

 

[jillianelaine]

If someone came to me to participate in any way shape or form to commit murder I absolutely would not. (nobody would ever come to me for this btw)
So, who might PF know that he could approach? I'm not trying to sleuth anyone but narrow it down. To me, it would be a friend that had also committed other crimes.

Great point! Or someone he assumed was equally interested in seeing her disappear.

 

[scdiv]

Kelsey Berreth and Patrick Frazee were supposed to be in court for a custody hearing

Guys!!!!! That custody hearing WAS scheduled before she went missing! I thought so with the the different case numbers. The plot thickens. Sorry if repeated info, just saw the news here in Colo

Edited: I did watch the video again. I still don't think they have solid info of when the custody hearing was scheduled. But jmo.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

Kelsey Berreth and Patrick Frazee were supposed to be in court for a custody hearing

Guys!!!!! That custody hearing WAS scheduled before she went missing! I thought so with the the different case numbers. The plot thickens. Sorry if repeated info, just saw the news here in Colo

This is interesting if true. I have to wonder, based on all the other inaccurate reports we have see throughout this case, if they misunderstood that this hearing was scheduled after the fact but included Kelsey’s name because—technically—she has not been confirmed to be dead yet.

 

[Beamer15]

Prior to living in Woodland Park, she had a P.O. Box in
Florissant so maybe she did live at his mother's place.

Possibly she and his mom did not get along? And it was time for the three of them to be a family...alone.

 

[Elley Mae]

The same day officers conducted the welfare check, Berreth’s cell phone was pinged near Gooding at 5:13 p.m – over 800 miles from her home in Colorado. Steve Van Dinter, a Verizon spokesman, tells EastIdahoNews.com that the ping would be accurate within a mile of the location coordinates.

New information released on case of missing mother whose phone was last pinged in Idaho | East Idaho News

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Cheryl Berreth, Berreth’s mom, called police on Nov. 25. Officers conducted a welfare check at her home and she, along with her purse, were missing.


Police contacted Berreth’s fiancé, Patrick Frazee, who said Berreth dropped off their daughter at his home on Nov. 22. The last time he says he heard from her was Nov. 25 and their child is still in his custody, according to detectives.
From same link.

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Sorry but meant to add this from link.

Frazee told police he hadn’t seen Berreth since Nov. 22 when “they exchanged” their daughter, said De Young, who told a reporter they’d have to ask Frazee why he didn’t attend the press conference.
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Since when does a man that is engaged, planning marriage say that “they exchanged” their daughter.

So it would appear that who ever sent the text to kelseys mom,her work,and P got informed that she was noticed missing and a well fail check was ordered. Nov 25 then 1 week dec 2 missing person.

 

[miimaa]

If someone came to me to participate in any way shape or form to commit murder I absolutely would not. (nobody would ever come to me for this btw)
So, who might PF know that he could approach? I'm not trying to sleuth anyone but narrow it down. To me, it would be a friend that had also committed other crimes.

You are probably a normal and decent person. Not all people are.

 

[CuriousCricket]

When I was thinking of what it stood for, I suddenly thought, we don't even know if it was murder of Kelsey. Maybe PF wanted to murder someone close to her, her family member? I assume "solicitation of murder" means "murder of Kelsey", but even this has not been clearly spelled out, yet.

BBM Exactly. Maybe PF was exploring his options.

This was a 32-year-old man who was well and truly trapped. And he was the youngest child with whatever "entitlement" mentality that might bring.

On one side, he had a disabled mother who likely could not live alone. Since he was the youngest, the older siblings had simply grown up and left. As is normal. However, he could not move out and live his own life. Mama needs him.

He developed a rodeo/dog breeding life, but was without any real freedom to choose his own life.

He finally -- at about 30 -- got himself a woman who liked him enough to move hundreds of miles to be near him.

She's religious. Maybe the relationship was not really sexual, but, dang, hormones are incredibly strong . . . things happen.

She got pregnant. Now, notice that this responsible young man, who is still home caring for a disabled parent, did not duck his responsibilities here.

We have no idea what is on the baby's birth certificate do we? Maybe he's named, maybe not. BUT he was co-parenting with a woman he's never lived with.

By KB purchasing a home in May, it does not appear that at that time, she was planning to leave CO.

But maybe she did want him to move in with them.

He was trapped between two women and two lifestyles -- removing either would have freed him.

We know which he ultimately chose, but we don't know if that was his only consideration . . .

 

[Beamer15]

This is interesting if true. I have to wonder, based on all the other inaccurate reports we have see throughout this case, if they misunderstood that this hearing was scheduled after the fact but included Kelsey’s name because—technically—she has not been confirmed to be dead yet.

If this IS true it makes PF even dumber than a box of rocks.

 

[miimaa]

Possibly she and his mom did not get along? And it was time for the three of them to be a family...alone.

So his mother incited him to have KB murdered? No that is too much.

"Occam's razor is the problem-solving principle that essentially states that the simplest solution tends to be the correct one. When presented with competing hypotheses to solve a problem, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions."