CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #17 *ARREST*

[bestill]

I just can't at all imagine PF coming clean and disclosing the whereabouts of KB. Just don't see it. He just comes across as too macho, need to be in charge, 1 up on everyone type of individual. It sounds like in no uncertain terms they have all the evidence they need. He is going down. And due to the fact it has been decades since the last time CO has executed someone on death row offering him no death penalty doesn't have much merit anymore here in CO.

I think the only way she will be located is if someone discovers her body, the cellphone data can provide some help, or an accomplice of PF's comes clean for a reduced sentence. But I have absolutely zero hope of him opening up and revealing the exact truth as to what actually happened. I just don't see it - it's just his personality. As always MOO

I can't imagine that he would give up her location, especially at this point. He'll be strategic and if he ever does it will be to benefit him. He doesn't care one bit about Kelsey - he's already proven that. No remorse and no regret - he's a cold so and so, imo.

 

[MsBetsy]

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[Auntie Cipation]

I don't find her unbelievable. I see her as doing her best, to find her daughter, and not upset the delicate balance of a little ones destiny.
Imo

I agree and didn't mean to imply otherwise. I'm not sure everything she said was factually correct, but I think she was doing her best with what information she had, as well as possibly following some guidelines from LE, during a very stressful situation.

 

[MsBetsy]

Delete. Double ( Or maybe triple) post. No idea what happened.

 

[K9Enzo]

I think it’ll come down to the strength of their case. That would be the deciding factor there.

If they think they have him dead to rights, then no, they proceed full steam ahead with murder one.

If they think they could lose, and he agrees to lead them to her body, then maybe.

And this is where I say - no deals. I want LE to keep using their resources and investigation skills to solve this case & recover her body. Nail PF to the wall. I know they are under a lot of pressure, especially with this case getting nationwide attention. People want answers but they need to be patient. But, no deals.

 

[allboys]

Bringing this over from the other thread:

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About 2:10 the reporter asks: "When you talked to her most recently, what has she said, what has she been like?"
CB: "She's been happy. She's been wanting to decorate for Christmas and excited about that but she thought that maybe her fiance and K* were planning to get the Christmas tree themselves and so she was holding off on buying something. She was planning her Christmas list and calling people wanting to know what was on their list for Christmas. Her job was going well.. Yeah, I just don't see any issues in her life at this time."

*Baby's name redacted by me



Yes, I think the tree talk means nothing. The point of sharing it was to show how she was happy and things were normal. Many people don't start to decorate for Christmas until after Thanksgiving. Talking about decorations and a tree is normal Thanksgiving day conversation between an adult daughter and her mother who live in different states and have their own homes. She doesn't even mention that there were any plans to get a tree that day or that weekend-- which is what the theory has turned into.

The only thing I'm willing to read into this is that maybe Kelsey had been asking PF about when he wanted to get a tree and perhaps he had been hemming and hawing and not answering because he had already planned to murder her. She might have thought he was going to surprise her and show up with a tree. I bet he also didn't buy her any Christmas gifts this year-- which would be pretty telling. He knew she wasn't coming back when she was "missing". And if he knew he was going to murder her in advance of when he did, then he wasn't going to include her in any future Christmas plans. MOO.

Even though the point is now moot, I will comment on this interview for purposes of reflection.

I remember when I first watched the interview, two things struck me.

The first was right at beginning of interview, that there was something about the way CB said that “I still know SOMEBODY knows where she’s at...” etc. Everytime she said “somebody” it seemed like her tone/inflection suggested somebody specific. At the time I assumed PF. Now of course, knowing of the solicitation charge, I wonder if the “somebody” I felt she was suggesting, was an accomplice. I think it’s unlikely she knew anything from LE about possibility of solicitation. More likely, based on things she knew on her own, she felt certain PF had help. If for no other reason than the isolated Idaho ping. I just really feel that there was something in her voice when she talked about “somebody” knows ____, that was not meant to describe just any old random “somebody.” And she was, in effect, appealing to that somebody to speak up.

The other thing that struck me about the video at the time, was that I felt her talk about Kelsey’s anticipation and planning for Christmas was in efforts to shut down the speculation of a possible suicide, or possibility of Kelsey “running off” willingly.

MOO

* edited for grammar

 

[MassGuy]

And this is where I say - no deals. I want LE to keep using their resources and investigation skills to solve this case & recover her body. Nail PF to the wall. I know they are under a lot of pressure, especially with this case getting nationwide attention. People want answers but they need to be patient. But, no deals.

They have plenty of time and resources with which to do this, so I have no doubt that they will continue to build their case, and try to find her body.

It’s clear that this has been a far ranging and in depth investigation, and we’ve seen some great things in the recent past from these organizations.

One needs to look no further than the Watts case, and the work of the CBI and FBI.

PF is in trouble.

 

[Gardener1850]

Oh no. Mine didn't either! Send help!

Lol. There have been years my husband and I have skipped the gifts by mutual agreement. But we still did little things for each other anyway those years. And that's different from a fiance not getting anything for his missing fiance with the hope she would be found. KB was already thinking about her Christmas gift list and about buying things for others. I have a feeling if they were in an active relationship PF would be expected to get KB a little something or at least plan a special holiday date for them. My point is, I doubt PF made any future plans that included Kelsey because he was planning on her not existing anymore. If she asked him about things coming up like if he wanted to help her get a tree his answers to her could be revealing. If you had asked your fiance to take you to a free holiday concert, for example, and he made up some lame excuse why he didn't want to go, you might not think much of it. You might simply make other plans or take someone else to the concert. There might not be anything to it either. Unless you later end up murdered before you could go to the concert. Then, in hindsight, we might say he was telling you something by turning you down. It's certainly not predictive of future behavior if a fiance is evasive or doesn't do things they would normally do, but it could be revealing. JMO.

 

[tictoc]

And this is where I say - no deals. I want LE to keep using their resources and investigation skills to solve this case & recover her body. Nail PF to the wall. I know they are under a lot of pressure, especially with this case getting nationwide attention. People want answers but they need to be patient. But, no deals.

I bet they'll surprise us with a LOT of info when the time comes IMO.

 

[NanZDrew]

Colorado sleuthers, how far north would PF have to go to get the idea snow conditions to quickly cover a grave or her body that would be difficult for others to reach and that would stay covered. Where do you think would be the perfect disposal site knowing what you know about Colorado?

 

[Herat]

If they have found the cell phone, why are they "working to recover it?????"

Perhaps there was an attempt to destroy it after the texts were sent and LE is trying to “recover” the data.

 

[Penny4YourThoughts]

I was thinking about KB's apps, what they would tell if recovered.

@tictoc SAME HERE!!

 

[jillianelaine]

I agree and didn't mean to imply otherwise. I'm not sure everything she said was factually correct, but I think she was doing her best with what information she had, as well as possibly following some guidelines from LE, during a very stressful situation.

If LE expected PF would appear at the press conference, the reference to the Christmas trees might have been designed for reasons we are not privy to, and their purpose--to watch his reaction.

 

[NanZDrew]

The thing that concerns me, is the fact that this was premeditated.

That being the case, he very well may have had a burial location or disposal method, already selected.

If one kills in a crime of passion, and decides to conceal the body, you’d be more likely to see something like an above ground dumping, or burial in a shallow grave.

He had time to plan here, so she could more difficult to find than had the opposite been true.

Good point. Maybe he dug a grave north of WP before the ground got too cold.

 

[jillianelaine]

They may have been referring to recovering the data from the phone? Maybe it was damaged, so it's a recovery process to get the data from it.

Or possibly, at that point in time (it was just after they announced his arrest) it's possible that another authority had it (i.e. FBI, Idaho Police), and "recovered" referred to bringing it back to Colorado. Maybe.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

If they have found the cell phone, why are they "working to recover it?????"

To play Stoopid. In order to call the demon out. Make them think they have no idea where the phone is. Whover was foolf enough too a send messages to DOSS,and PF, were probably fool enough to keep her phone thinking they could fool ivestigators, by sending more messages making it look like she's a druggie, blah,blah,blah.
LE might have needed a search warrant to get her phone, as they can't go blazing on any property and take things.

 

[Gardener1850]

I, too, wondered if PF had bought a Christmas present for KB "yet," but really I think whether or not he had means nothing. Many people wait until Black Friday (or even the last minute) to start their shopping. Unless he proves to be a "I am always done with my Christmas shopping before Thanksgiving" kind of guy, then it's not useful to know the answer about this year's gift (or lack of). JMO MOO

Yes, of course. The question is more of-- was he planning to buy her something (or help decorate for Christmas as is the case with getting a tree)? Not likely we would get an honest answer out of him now but I think if he was not allowed to lie about it he would have said "no"-- not because they were no longer together, but because he had planned to murder her. No need to plan last minute Christmas shopping for someone you know is dead. MOO.

 

[jillianelaine]

If someone from Idaho arrived in Colorado to spend Thanksgiving weekend with their family , and returned back home to Idaho on Sunday--would the timing align with when the ping/texts arrived? In other words, what time was the ping heard, and how long is the drive from PF's home to the region which the texts originated?

 

[susiQ]

I don't think your thinking is flawed. We just don't have enough information. I'm thinking she had been having second thoughts about the relationship for awhile, and was planning on raising the baby independently from PF. But there is also the possibility that she had hopes for them getting married and being a family, and he was leading her to believe he wanted the same. Or that he did want the same. Until something happened to change his mind. Maybe whatever that something was led to feelings of anger or fear that he would lose his child, and things escalated from there.
Hopefully we will know some of these details soon.

It certainly looks like it boils down to custody but there could be extenuating circumstances that lead to this. I know, some of you may go, "here she goes again," but if things were not really going anywhere, they were just maintaining the status quo for the time being, or at least KB was, WHAT IF macho man PF was trolling the dating sites. He finds a woman, well planted financially with a ranch and a child or two. Maybe her husband died too (but let's hope she didn't wack him or have him wacked). The only thing in PF's way to persuing this new love interest, is KB. He loves his child, but not enough not to murder her mother. I don't think leaving the cars was necessarily a problem to him if he wanted to write into the "we broke up" narrative to eventually include, she was seeing someone else and they must have gone to Idaho in that vehicle. You see, these kinds of people have no problem whatsoever in projecting their bad behaviour on others. Making it look like something KB did when in fact it's his MO. JMT

 

[SandyQLS]

To play Stoopid. In order to call the demon out. Make them think they have no idea where the phone is. Whover was foolf enough too a send messages to DOSS,and PF, were probably fool enough to keep her phone thinking they could fool ivestigators, by sending more messages making it look like she's a druggie, blah,blah,blah.
LE might have needed a search warrant to get her phone, as they can't go blazing on any property and take things.

If my part in the crime was only to turn the phone on and off to release a ping and preprogrammed texts in Idaho.... whether I know what the crime is.... I am keeping the phone, dismantled entirely with a screwdriver. It's my get-out-of-jail-free card. I know where I would put it, too, safe and secure.

If I am more of a principal in the murder, then the phone no longer exists.