CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #17 *ARREST*

[Elley Mae]

Frazee also is suspected of soliciting murder, implying that someone else was involved or that Frazee tried to enlist someone in the alleged killing.

Prosecutors fight 'gag order' request in alleged murder of Woodland Park woman

 

[jewelsmac]

Remember she was raised on a farm. He is by some accounts 'a good ol cowboy'. So they had that lifestyle in common. She might have thought him living with mom,and helping her was a sign of a good decent family man.
Moo

I think it’s interesting how many people find him living with her disturbing. I would imagine, most especially in a farm or ranch (rural) setting, that multi generations living in the same home would be common. Would it not?

 

[Writestuff]

I guess I’ve gotten a bit confused by the discussion centered on KB’s condo and her family’s LLC. I Had thought that the condo was in her name, not the LLC’s. If so, the LLC is acting as any bank or real estate lender — collect payments pursuant to a note between the LLC and KB, secured by a mortgage on the property. The family probably had an understanding as to the ultimate disposition of the condo, but it looks like a simple corporate vehicle set up to benefit KB.

That is correct. The LLC formed as a deed in trust. So basically her parents paid cash for the townhome, formed as a deed in trust, conveyed the property to KB so her name is on the title. Whether KB paid a "mortgage" payment to the LLC is not known. I didn't find any filings that would indicate a note was filed with the courthouse, but it could've been handled as a private matter. There is no mortgage at all filed with the county records.

 

[jillianelaine]

"A former boss said Kelsey Berreth was dating Frazee when she started working as a flight instructor at Springs Aviation in Peyton in 2016. She was "a little reserved and sometimes soft-spoken" but often talked about her then-boyfriend, company owner Bobby Hosmer said."

I wish Bobby Hosmer clarified whether those frequent conversations about PF continued AFTER she first started working there!

 

[Jazzy5980]

I think it’s interesting how many people find him living with her disturbing. I would imagine, most especially in a farm or ranch (rural) setting, that multi generations living in the same home would be common. Would it not?

I’m from a fifth generation ranching family. Uncommon for grown children to live with parents; often kids go to college, come back and live in another house on the ranch. Communal living much more common in earlier times.

 

[GeeButtersnaps]

I keep going back to the press confrence. Where they place great emphasis on the possibility of further arrest in the future.
That really grabbed me, not just what was said, but the way it was said.

The DA also said that when they file more formal charges in 10 days (from date of PC) that they have to specifically name anyone associated with the solicitation charge IIRC.

 

[Steelslady]

I think it’s interesting how many people find him living with her disturbing. I would imagine, most especially in a farm or ranch (rural) setting, that multi generations living in the same home would be common. Would it not?

I am probably one of the few that doesn't find it odd that he lives at home. He also might not have wanted his mother living alone- there are good sons that do care about their moms not living alone, and seeing that he has been a farrier for a good amount of time now and is established, it would make sense for him to stay there, and if him and Kelsey did get married, living there afterwards. Who knows, maybe this was a cause of frustration for Kelsey- perhaps she didn't want to move in with his Mumsy and he insisted. Perhaps this was a thorn in their relationship and she was tired of waiting for him to choose.

Still, he is a sick individual to murder her or have her murdered like that, no matter what the case. Self defense is one thing, but this isn't the case here. No excuse for what he did, and he was obviously planning this before Thanksgiving, which is just horrific to think about.

 

[Elley Mae]

That is correct. The LLC formed as a deed in trust. So basically her parents paid cash for the townhome, formed as a deed in trust, conveyed the property to KB so her name is on the title. Whether KB paid a "mortgage" payment to the LLC is not known. I didn't find any filings that would indicate a note was filed with the courthouse, but it could've been handled as a private matter. There is no mortgage at all filed with the county records.

IIRC Kelsey rented a condo in same neighborhood before buying this one. Their together 3months? And she is pregnant and he didn’t ask her to marry. 9 months later baby, still no marriage. 6months ?later she moves into bought townhome.

She said the couple had weathered some financial struggles. Frazee runs a cattle ranch, and prices for the industry have been poor, delaying their plans to find a house together, Cheryl Berreth said.

Fiance accused of killing Colorado woman missing for month

 

[soap mama]

'On top of that, he said Frazee is a good father.

“He took real good care of her (Kaylee). I mean, he had a little jumpsuit for her and put extra socks on her,” Cline said.'

Well, if he put extra socks on his daughter, that changes my whole opinion of him for sure.

Lmao, socks changes everything. Always.

 

[jewelsmac]

I am probably one of the few that doesn't find it odd that he lives at home. He also might not have wanted his mother living alone- there are good sons that do care about their moms not living alone, and seeing that he has been a farrier for a good amount of time now and is established, it would make sense for him to stay there, and if him and Kelsey did get married, living there afterwards. Who knows, maybe this was a cause of frustration for Kelsey- perhaps she didn't want to move in with his Mumsy and he insisted. Perhaps this was a thorn in their relationship and she was tired of waiting for him to choose.

Still, he is a sick individual to murder her or have her murdered like that, no matter what the case. Self defense is one thing, but this isn't the case here. No excuse for what he did, and he was obviously planning this before Thanksgiving, which is just horrific to think about.

agreed, I in no way want to defend anything for him. Just making an observation about how many people thought it was strange. I just don’t. it would be difficult for any one person to handle that amount of property, including his mom - who seems to have some physical limitations

 

[Trudie]

Been away, need to catch up. I did hear HLN mention the custody hearing WAS docketed a month before K went missing. I’m sure this is what I heard. Anyone else hear this? Tia.

 

[Trudie]

agreed, I in no way want to defend anything for him. Just making an observation about how many people thought it was strange. I just don’t. it would be difficult for any one person to handle that amount of property, including his mom - who seems to have some physical limitations

Agree. I have two guy friends that both must live at home. But, both moms are in their 80s & both guys have homes. They simply had to move back in with their mom.

 

[Emb72]

No, lots of women think that a guy who is a “good dad” is sexy AF. I have friends who think there is nothing more appealing than a guy with a baby or a puppy. My ex is diagnosed with a variety of mental health issues including antisocial personality disorder (sociopathy) and he is a narcissist. He is 40 and aging like old leftovers... he is horrible looking. His face currently resembles bread dough that collapsed after rising. But the number of women willing to date him when he uses photos of my kid and her little sister on his dating profile is astounding.

"Aging like old leftovers " ahahahahahaha. I'm keeping that one in my mental rolodex.

 

[jillianelaine]

They met on the internet. I wonder who contacted who first. Did PF search for someone who lived in another state because he wasn't searching for a more serious relationship? Was he blown away when she decided to move to Colorado? Did he feel trapped from the get-go?

 

[jillianelaine]

The DA also said that when they file more formal charges in 10 days (from date of PC) that they have to specifically name anyone associated with the solicitation charge IIRC.

Is that going to be public information?

 

[MsBetsy]

agreed, I in no way want to defend anything for him. Just making an observation about how many people thought it was strange. I just don’t. it would be difficult for any one person to handle that amount of property, including his mom - who seems to have some physical limitations

I wouldn't think it was strange that he lived with his mom if he had not recently had a baby and was planning on getting married. The home Kelsey lived in would have been adequate for the three of them, I would think.

 

[PommyMommy]

I am probably one of the few that doesn't find it odd that he lives at home. He also might not have wanted his mother living alone- there are good sons that do care about their moms not living alone, and seeing that he has been a farrier for a good amount of time now and is established, it would make sense for him to stay there, and if him and Kelsey did get married, living there afterwards. Who knows, maybe this was a cause of frustration for Kelsey- perhaps she didn't want to move in with his Mumsy and he insisted. Perhaps this was a thorn in their relationship and she was tired of waiting for him to choose.

Still, he is a sick individual to murder her or have her murdered like that, no matter what the case. Self defense is one thing, but this isn't the case here. No excuse for what he did, and he was obviously planning this before Thanksgiving, which is just horrific to think about.

I think it may just be that PF lived at the "ranch" as a matter of convenience. He needed a barn for his horses, a place to train the dogs, and a place for trailers and whatever equipment was used in his farrier business. His income isn't sufficient to get a place of his own with all of those things, and I don't think his mother is capable of the upkeep on the property by herself.
MOO

ETA: Sorry @jewelsmac, I see you just said basically the same thing.

 

[KSinMT]

I am probably one of the few that doesn't find it odd that he lives at home. He also might not have wanted his mother living alone- there are good sons that do care about their moms not living alone, and seeing that he has been a farrier for a good amount of time now and is established, it would make sense for him to stay there, and if him and Kelsey did get married, living there afterwards. Who knows, maybe this was a cause of frustration for Kelsey- perhaps she didn't want to move in with his Mumsy and he insisted. Perhaps this was a thorn in their relationship and she was tired of waiting for him to choose.

Still, he is a sick individual to murder her or have her murdered like that, no matter what the case. Self defense is one thing, but this isn't the case here. No excuse for what he did, and he was obviously planning this before Thanksgiving, which is just horrific to think about.

I personally don't think there's anything wrong with men living with their parents as long as they work and contribute. My brother is almost 50 years old and lives with our mom but he's single, doesn't have kids, he works and helps her with a lot such as taking her to appointments, keeps an eye on her health, etc. I did however find it strange that PF and KB were supposedly engaged and have a child but didn't live together.

 

[Madison418]

Playing devil's advocate here...if the legal eagles would respond please
If the State cannot come up with formal charges by Dec 31st for whatever reason - lack of evidence, etc - will they have to release PF?

Good question. To add to that, and what would happen to baby K?

 

[MsBetsy]

Been away, need to catch up. I did hear HLN mention the custody hearing WAS docketed a month before K went missing. I’m sure this is what I heard. Anyone else hear this? Tia.

No, but did they mention the filing date on the document? The first we heard any mention of the custody hearing was after the arrest. If she had filed something before, I can't imagine why it would not have been discovered long ago. Maybe they are getting their information from other sources who got it wrong. Imo