CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #18 *ARREST*

[moonlessnight]

today is not the day for the murderer's mother to file for custody either, when the child's murdered mother's family has finally gotten some semblance of comfort. That SF would do this says it all to me.

True. Today probably wasn’t that day.

But the issue is the lack of a gesture of support when Kelsey was missing.

It’s not hard to reach out, or do something to publicize the disappearance of the mother of your grandchild.

 

[NanZDrew]

Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t feel he’s that bad looking. Putting aside everything we now know, and that he is likely a killer, I wouldn’t look at his picture and say he’s ugly or anything.

Yeah. When I first saw him in the pic with KB and baby, I thought he was nice looking, but that was before we saw the heartless, snarky, and unsympathetic person.

I'm sure when he met KB he could wash up well. Killing someone just kills the good part of who you were. Don't think you can regain your humanity after that.

 

[moonlessnight]

right. instead she stresses them out more with new filings for custody. it's all about SF and the baby.

The thing about PF's mom that I just don't understand is why she didn't stand with Kelsey's family in their time of need. That part just breaks my heart on top of everything else. I would have been breaking my neck to be there, hold their hands, open my home, share the grandchild...but crickets.

I don't know, maybe she did and we just didn't hear about it.

 

[InvSmith]

I am not sure if anyone read this or not- I certainly missed it! Go to this page and scroll down to where it has a video with the headline "Community holds vigil for missing Colorado woman Kelsey Berreth", and underneath the video, I found this in the article:



Cops process evidence found in Kelsey Berreth's murder investigation now in Idaho | Daily Mail Online

Sheila Frazee, the mother of the suspect, has also been detained by authorities but not placed under arrest.

The divorced mother of four, who is a registered nurse, lives with her youngest son at the ranch, which she outright owns according to public records.

She also owns two additional properties in the area.

Her son meanwhile attends to the ranch and also breeds dogs.
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Did I miss that part? I don't recall anyone discussing this in previous threads, but I know I missed a few things from working the last few weekends.

I don't recall them mentioning searching the other properties- could they be possibly searching for Kelsey on those properties now, seeing that the police department said there would be searches done in the Woodland Park area?

We mentioned the two other properties but like you have no idea on the status of searches.

 

[Johnny1181]

Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t feel he’s that bad looking. Putting aside everything we now know, and that he is likely a killer, I wouldn’t look at his picture and say he’s ugly or anything.

While I respect your opinion that you find him not "bad looking", or "ugly or anything",

does the fact that he is "likely a killer" make him uglier to you?
Quoting you.

 

[moonlessnight]

CO has jurisdiction over custody of the child bc both parents lived there with the child in the 6 months prior to the disappearance.

The one problem the B family faces in the custody issue would be that they will be taking the baby 1000 miles away to another state. The P family is intervening in CO while they can to probably get visition more than full custody because once the child is out of the first state's jurisdiction, it's another whole complication. The B's are present now in CO, so it's a good thing to move forward quickly, not a bad thing.

Can anyone clarify - I know SF filed the motion to intervene, but did PF's father also file, or was that MSM bad reporting? Thx.

 

[Songbird1973]

The baby knew KB's family. They adjust to this more than we adults. Otherwise kids in daycare would be totally scarred. /QUOTE]

Actually, when my husband was being treated by Dr. Terry Levy, a world renown attachment disorder expert in Evergreen, CO, he said daycare under 18 months CAN/DOES scar children in certain settings. So does shared parenting and transportating babies in carseats instead of holding them close. Obviously some of these are unavailable or necessary for safety, but Dr. Levy said these are the facts. Brain scans show that proper development of the frontal lobe occurs most consistently when there is one primary caregiver (giving appropriate care, love, eye contact and touch) during the first 18 months of life.

I'm not arguing with you, or saying that PF's family should keep the baby. I'm just explaining what I know about how loss of primary caregivers CAN effect some children. So yes, in a way, children are more resilient than adults, and yet because their brains are still developing, they can potentially be scarred in a way that adults can't.

 

[KBB87]

While I respect your opinion that you find him not "bad looking", or "ugly or anything",

does the fact that he is "likely a killer" make him uglier to you?
Quoting you.

Not the OP, but I think that’s exactly what she was saying. Just looking at his picture he’s not repulsive looking or anything.

People keep talking about him like KB should have known by looking at him that he was a loser creep. Obviously the fact that he turned out to be a (likely) murderous loser creep changes everything and it becomes all you see looking at him. MOO.

 

[moonlessnight]

this has more of an impact on the baby in regards to losing her mother than it does in regards to being moved from the house she has been staying in since her father killed her mother.


don't know where the quoted post went....

 

[moonlessnight]

this is what I was replying to either by Songbird 1973 or NanZDrew

"Actually, when my husband was being treated by Dr. Terry Levy, a world renown attachment disorder expert in Evergreen, CO, he said daycare under 18 months CAN/DOES scar children in certain settings. So does shared parenting and transportating babies in carseats instead of holding them close. Obviously some of these are unavailable or necessary for safety, but Dr. Levy said these are the facts. Brain scans show that proper development of the frontal lobe occurs most consistently when there is one primary caregiver (giving appropriate care, love, eye contact and touch) during the first 18 months of life.

I'm not arguing with you, or saying that PF's family should keep the baby. I'm just explaining what I know about how loss of primary caregivers CAN effect some children. So yes, in a way, children are more resilient than adults, and yet because their brains are still developing, they can potentially be scarred in a way that adults can't."

 

[Johnny1181]

Not the OP, but I think that’s exactly what she was saying. Just looking at his picture he’s not repulsive looking or anything.

People keep talking about him like KB should have known by looking at him that he was a loser creep. Obviously the fact that he turned out to be a (likely) murderous loser creep changes everything and it becomes all you see looking at him. MOO.

I haven't seen posts stating she should have known by his looks. I may have missed those links.

All in all, seems like a loser, murdering creep to me. Based on his actions.
jmo

ETO... like all the murderous men we've seen here. Same story. Same MO. It's tiresome actually.

 

[Elle*Bee]

Especially when that baby's mother was missing, the family who made no effort to help in finding her.

It reminds me a bit of the Crystal Rogers case. She’s missing, presumed dead. Her boyfriend (baby’s dad) is a person of interest, but he’s never been arrested. The court denied Crystal’s mother visitation of the baby, who is in custody of the father/POI. In this case, Crystal’s mother was very outspoken in that she believes the boyfriend is guilty. I’m sure that spilled over in her interaction with the grandchild because it was deemed the visits were too disruptive. It’s especially sad in that Crystal’s mom is raising Crystal’s other children (previous relationship(s)) who must miss their sibling. Crystal has a thread here on WS.

Obviously Kelsey’s case is different in that LE believes she is decreased and PF has been arrested, but it occurred to me that Kelsey’s mom in her interviews seemed to go of her way to not speak negatively about PF.

 

[FlossiePotts]

Not the OP, but I think that’s exactly what she was saying. Just looking at his picture he’s not repulsive looking or anything.

People keep talking about him like KB should have known by looking at him that he was a loser creep. Obviously the fact that he turned out to be a (likely) murderous loser creep changes everything and it becomes all you see looking at him. MOO.

I don't think that people are saying that he looked like a loser on sight, but the fact that he lived with his mother and scrabbled together a living from breeding dogs and competing in rodeos made him somewhat different to her.

 

[tmar]

Understood. My post was in response to how bad the reporting in this case has been. Almost like it's a competition to see who can screw up the news the most... Sorry if that wasn't clear.
MOO Quoted Pommy Mommy....


Sorry @PommyMommy I just jumped in to give the DCFS information. I didn't really read what was before it. I just wanted to add info regarding custody when it refers to DCFS.

On a side note, not just to Pommy Mommy. My own mother was murdered last week, so I'm a bit foggy, but I wanted to share what I know about how DCFS operates especially when one set of parents is unsuitable.

Oh musemoon. I feel so sorry for you.
The grief you must be going through.
Hope with time, you may feel a little better and at peace with what occurred.
Hope posting here, expressing your thoughts and feelings, obtaining well wishes, eases your pain, knowing others care.
When I hear stories similar to yours, the Berreths, and many others, I realize, some of my worries are insignificant to what many others endure.

 

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[SandyQLS]

CO has jurisdiction over custody of the child bc both parents lived there with the child in the 6 months prior to the disappearance.

Exactly. And it is not only jurisdiction, the state of CO has legal custody of the baby. I think it benefits everyone to sort this out now as much as possible. The B's are stuck in CO, likely in a hotel. If they are to be permanent custodians per the court, then they can go home and settle into their new normal. There really isn't much reason for them to be in CO - if it were me, I would want to go home.

As for the F's, they must make their petitions now, while the child is in CO. I don't even understand the issues some people raise based on frothing emotionality instead of the law.

 

[tmar]

She has a limp. I am thinking that she has a very bad back. Climbing any steps at all would be very painful for her.

I neither have a limp, nor a bad back, but when stressed, I am unsteady on my feet.
SF is certainly stressed, and limping would not be favourable to using stairs.
I would like to lean against a wall if not seated.
In such a case, I would look for the lift, and lean against the back wall.
MOO.

 

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Is spellcheck not available to these people? Custoy?