CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #19 *ARREST*

[Charlot123]

I think he wants a free ride. The family can afford a lawyer, I think, but it's in the financial interest of the estate to not pay for one.

Is there a law in Colorado that even if someone starts with a court appointed lawyer, they have some leeway in terms of elected lawyer when it is a capital case? I think that's how it works in some states. Does that work in CO?

You'd think that in such high-profile cases, pro bono lawyers will do the best job they can, and work 24/7.

 

[k-mac]

My "hunch" was that there was someone else. Many have postulated that Kelsey may have "moved on" but PF's history and his behaviour told me he had a "dish" and most likely in Idaho. JMO. To me that would have explained those stupid texts meant to buy him time with CB and to somehow give him an alibi or bolster his "story" about KB going to visit her grandmother. So, either he was travelling to Twin Falls Idaho to visit his "friend" with KB's phone, or she had visited him and was returning to Twin Falls, Idaho with the phone. MOO

just seems so pointless to kill a girlfriend you don't want anymore.
they had no assets to share, no home to leave JUST THE DAUGHTER.
which means if KB is dead he has full custody of the child (in theory) why?
isn't sharing better?
especially if you work, wanna play around blah blah blah
so is paying alimony the problem?
do they not comprehend the figures are worked out to support the kids welfare and existence.
if you have full custody of the child YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY ALL THAT MONEY RAISING YOUR KID.

brings up.....is it an old flame threatened by successful beautiful KB baring PF's kid?
proof she means nothing to me?

heard this so many times and so many murders ….its getting old.

still hoping ( it is fading though) KB had something new and wonderful in the pipelines and she wasn't holding out for a pig still carrying a torch for somebody else.
this is gunna be heart hurting I know it.

 

[k-mac]

To understand PF one just needs to do a cursory read on narcissists. There are many varieties but they all share certain traits. KB isn't the first not to recognize the signs but I'm sure she was beginning to see through the deception. Strange thing, shortly before our middle son died of cancer, a friend's friend's husband killed himself. I was told he was a narcissist. I hadn't really looked into that diagnosis to fully understand what that entailed so I looked it up and did a wee bit of research. It was then that I understood my ex DIL and why she could do what she did to a dying man and how he ever fell for her. It's tragic that KB hooked up with one that was capable of murder. My ex DIL merely made our son's last two years incredibly difficult. I'll leave it at that.

im terribly sorry about your son susi
that's just dreadful.... you and he already going through so much ,any unnecessary drama is such a kick in the guts.
love is blind as they say!

 

[Hatfield]

If what Nancy Grace's "insiders" had to say is true, my hunch was right all along.

....snipped by me for focus.....

. It appears it may be factual given what Nancy Grace's insiders said in the interview on the 26th.

Posts by: Nancy Grace, Publisher Dec 26th, Kelsey go to 27 min. mark to listen
Edit to include link

JMO
Interesting.

If PF did have another person on the side and if that person was living in Idaho, could PF have been another Scott Peterson and either never even told this other person about KB or twisted the truth about how much involved KB was still in his life regarding the child?

His sick motive could become a little clearer now.

 

[Hatfield]

just seems so pointless to kill a girlfriend you don't want anymore.
they had no assets to share, no home to leave JUST THE DAUGHTER.

,,,,,snipped by me for focus.....

if you have full custody of the child YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY ALL THAT MONEY RAISING YOUR KID.

JMO
So true and I really wish we can somehow make any future killers realise this. It all is so tragic and stupid on their part.

Just breakup and do things the normal way for goodness sakes. Own up to your decision that you had a part in the baby being on the earth and share in that responsibility.

Do an amicable breakup and deal with it.

If they would just think it through just a little bit. Would these fools rather live the rest of their life wondering if someday the law is going to catch up with them? How is that living? Always afraid someday they will get busted for murder. And a lot of them do get caught eventually.

I can never understand why these fools do what they do. And I guess I am glad I dont understand it.

Just wish we can stop the next fool.

 

[mustloveco]

Sounds like that is their estimate. Wonder if he attended any rodeos around then. I know there was speculation he solicited someone from there.

There's definitely a rodeo in CC in June
Top of the World Rodeo

 

[enelram]

Here are my nagging questions of late:
1. Who plans to kill someone on usually the most laid-back family-oriented day of the year? Of note: it is a long weekend for many; it is low staff for police force on the day; it is a high travel time before and after; in essence the timing buys time and speaks of planning and not of spontaneous behavior.
2. KB from all appearances is doing everything as she normally does and appears unsuspecting, the question becomes what does her life interfere with that is worth PF's freedom because he knows he he will stand a 99.999% chance of going to jail for life? It cannot be custody because he is in jail. It cannot be for his mother because she loses him.

Good Questions!
Regarding the holiday: I don't see PF as a 'normal' person
who celebrated holidays in the traditional sense. I see him as
a bit of rag-tag rough tough almost feral in terms of manners
and social behavior. I think he raised himself. I'm convinced
his upbringing included neglect, inattention and deprivation.
I believe he is still reeling from his parents' divorce. Some boys
never recover from the father disappearing from the home.

Somehow KB's criticism or rejection of him caused immense
"psychic injury" to PF. She probably called him out for all
his weaknesses and his irresponsibility and immaturity.
PF was still a boy playing 'cowboys and Indians'. He had no
responsible path in life. He had part time gigs to play at
making money. Enough to satisfy mommy. But not enough
to satisfy KB. KB's rejection hit him to his core. Like a bad
thorn stuck in his finger. In his simple, dumb mind he had
to get rid of that hurtful b-tch. Simple as that.

 

[Trudie]

Sometimes I wonder if (as a secondary reason) some of these guys go to trial to entertain themselves. To watch others go through more pain, to get to see the crime scene photos again. To ease the boredom of their life. The ones that fess up, I have to at least give them credit for that.

Idk, never thought of this. I wonder if the ultimate decision is made by the attorney, some more aggressive, preferring a trial. Thinking Mark Geragos.......and OJ dream team. Those guys seem made for TV, IMO.

 

[LAHOLLA]

Just to make sure I understand the “paywall” rule- if we have information that we had to purchase to receive, we can’t post those docs here for everyone else to read for free? However, we can post the link so anyone else can pay for the docs and we can also paraphrase what we found.

Is that the jist of it?

 

[Trudie]

Income/cattle:
The only way PF is going to generate income from cattle is to sell his herd. I think that to not be the objective. The objective of most “ranchers” is to increase herd size. Not decrease. Calving season can double herd size, maybe then sell a few for some operating cash, so on & so on. That’s how we do it in my neck of the woods. There’s always obstacles, the newborn are vulnerable to weather, predators, illness. It’s easy to lose a few unless the utmost attention is paid. Ranchers know their herd. They know which cow throws off a good calf, which cow has a tendency to abandon her calf, etc. Someone has had to step in to fill his shoes during his absence. Idk if his mom is capable of handling the associated chores. Jmo

 

[Charlot123]

Good Questions!
Regarding the holiday: I don't see PF as a 'normal' person
who celebrated holidays in the traditional sense. I see him as
a bit of rag-tag rough tough almost feral in terms of manners
and social behavior. I think he raised himself. I'm convinced
his upbringing included neglect, inattention and deprivation.
I believe he is still reeling from his parents' divorce. Some boys
never recover from the father disappearing from the home.

Somehow KB's criticism or rejection of him caused immense
"psychic injury" to PF. She probably called him out for all
his weaknesses and his irresponsibility and immaturity.
PF was still a boy playing 'cowboys and Indians'. He had no
responsible path in life. He had part time gigs to play at
making money. Enough to satisfy mommy. But not enough
to satisfy KB. KB's rejection hit him to his core. Like a bad
thorn stuck in his finger. In his simple, dumb mind he had
to get rid of that hurtful b-tch. Simple as that.

I, too, am concerned about his upbringing. I wonder about more than neglect and innatention. As to deprivation, one wonders if anyone spoke to him in infancy. I can only fathom what kind of childhood stands behind his lack of trust in humans and «feral», as you have precisely described them, manners and social behavior.

Sadly, we shall probably never get an answer to this question. Sometimes I think PF will never speak out of obstinacy, at other times, he appears almost confused.

 

[Charlot123]

Income/cattle:
The only way PF is going to generate income from cattle is to sell his herd. I think that to not be the objective. The objective of most “ranchers” is to increase herd size. Not decrease. Calving season can double herd size, maybe then sell a few for some operating cash, so on & so on. That’s how we do it in my neck of the woods. There’s always obstacles, the newborn are vulnerable to weather, predators, illness. It’s easy to lose a few unless the utmost attention is paid. Ranchers know their herd. They know which cow throws off a good calf, which cow has a tendency to abandon her calf, etc. Someone has had to step in to fill his shoes during his absence. Idk if his mom is capable of handling the associated chores. Jmo

I hope someone will. I don’t care much about PF’s prosperity at this point, but I don’t want the animals to suffer.

 

[Trudie]

I think he wants a free ride. The family can afford a lawyer, I think, but it's in the financial interest of the estate to not pay for one.

Is there a law in Colorado that even if someone starts with a court appointed lawyer, they have some leeway in terms of elected lawyer when it is a capital case? I think that's how it works in some states. Does that work in CO?

Haven’t researched CO laws pertaining to pro bono/hired lawyer. I would THINK one can choose his own counsel. Is his confidence such he feels no need to “hire” an attorney. Or, does his mom & family not wish to liquidate to cover costs? That has to be a tough decision. Does a parent “fund” a trial even tho it looks like he’s guilty? Should siblings have input into such a decision? Idk

MOO

 

[enelram]

Haven’t researched CO laws pertaining to pro bono/hired lawyer. I would THINK one can choose his own counsel. Is his confidence such he feels no need to “hire” an attorney. Or, does his mom & family not wish to liquidate to cover costs? That has to be a tough decision. Does a parent “fund” a trial even tho it looks like he’s guilty? Should siblings have input into such a decision? Idk

MOO

If you were a sibling would you want your mom or dad to exhaust
their assets to fund a losing battle? The family knows PF.
The family knows deep down that he's always been a little
off. No surprise here but it's worse than in the past. Can't say
I blame any of his family.

 

[Charlot123]

JMO
Interesting.

If PF did have another person on the side and if that person was living in Idaho, could PF have been another Scott Peterson and either never even told this other person about KB or twisted the truth about how much involved KB was still in his life regarding the child?

His sick motive could become a little clearer now.

Only SP did not kill merely because he got tangled in the web of own lies. He cheated on LP before, multiple times, and was forgiven, or not caught.

I am positive that SP killed Laci to prevent the birth of Connor. I don’t know how to explain his behavior logically, and hence I say, «psychosis», but he was afraid of own son to be born. Plus, Laci’s life insurance came in handy.

 

[Trudie]

I, too, am concerned about his upbringing. I wonder about more than neglect and innatention. As to deprivation, one wonders if anyone spoke to him in infancy. I can only fathom what kind of childhood stands behind his lack of trust in humans and «feral», as you have precisely described them, manners and social behavior.

Sadly, we shall probably never get an answer to this question. Sometimes I think PF will never speak out of obstinacy, at other times, he appears almost confused.

I’ve not found any info his childhood was problematic. Have you? I can’t blame these crimes on the parent. For me, that’s an excuse. No one is a perfect parent. It’s a learning process. A set of triplets or other multiples have distinctly dif’ personalities at birth, IMO. (based on televised interviews with parents)
SP’s siblings haven’t killed their spouses, CWs sister hasn’t murdered her kids, to my knowledge.
It seems to me PF was raised in a home with strong work ethics and his mom appears to have led a successful life. His brother, to my knowledge hasn’t killed anyone.
Most people don’t raise their kids to murder nor do they condone it. IMO
I’m sure Mrs. F loves the baby with all her heart & was a wonderful caretaker for her. Jmo

 

[Charlot123]

If you were a sibling would you want your mom or dad to exhaust
their assets to fund a losing battle? The family knows PF.
The family knows deep down that he's always been a little
off. No surprise here but it's worse than in the past. Can't say
I blame any of his family.

To be honest, it is his mom´s property, so it has to be her decision. His siblings are adults with established careers, whether to help PF or not is up to mom.

 

[Trudie]

If you were a sibling would you want your mom or dad to exhaust
their assets to fund a losing battle? The family knows PF.
The family knows deep down that he's always been a little
off. No surprise here but it's worse than in the past. Can't say
I blame any of his family.

Oh, I didn’t know his family knows him to be “a little off”.
Is there some supporting documentation? I’d like to read what they know & when they realized it.

 

[Charlot123]

I’ve not found any info his childhood was problematic. Have you? I can’t blame these crimes on the parent. For me, that’s an excuse. No one is a perfect parent. It’s a learning process. A set of triplets or other multiples have distinctly dif’ personalities at birth, IMO. (based on televised interviews with parents)
SP’s siblings haven’t killed their spouses, CWs sister hasn’t murdered her kids, to my knowledge.
It seems to me PF was raised in a home with strong work ethics and his mom appears to have led a successful life. His brother, to my knowledge hasn’t killed anyone.
Most people don’t raise their kids to murder nor do they condone it. IMO
I’m sure Mrs. F loves the baby with all her heart & was a wonderful caretaker for her. Jmo

I don’t blame anything on the parents, I wonder what we are missing here. Parental divorce; were parents too busy with own lives to notice some problems with their youngest one and raise concern? Was he bullied at school? Did anyone know? Was there any abuse?

Sadly, sometimes even good families miss a lot in their kids.

 

[Trudie]

I don’t blame anything on the parents, I wonder what we are missing here. Parental divorce; were parents too busy with own lives to notice some problems with their youngest one and raise concern? Was he bullied at school? Did anyone know? Was there any abuse?

Sadly, sometimes even good families miss a lot in their kids.

No. Look at J Holmes. His mom tried to get him help, to no avail.
A former teacher of CW referred to him as “the best student I ever had”( not verbatim). SP was well liked by his former teachers, peers, friends, etc.
these are grown, mature men. They are not “dumb”, they are smart men that do dumb things.
I personally have no idea the extent of Mrs. F & K’s relationship. IMO, things were amicable & K might have been grateful to have the benefit of a retired nurse to slather her adorable baby with one on one attention, all day long. Jmo