CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #28 *ARREST*

[SandyQLS]

...RSBM for focus...

I think BFF may be feeling some real remorse for knowing much more than the R’s are revealing.

And maybe she’s afraid of KK...

Wouldnt BFF be a hugely important material witness against KK and PF?

Absolutely if this goes to trial BFF would testify as to what exactly KK told her. Whatever KK said directly to BFF is not hearsay.

The R's do not have an attorney-client privilege to any party in the case. They do have an employer-employee issue. They are mature professional people and they determined that to call the FBI was the best course of action. All the R's could really offer was to point the FBI at their employee/BFF.

If the R's, professionals who don't follow every true crime story in the news, just happened to notice a blip in the headlines about some out-of-state missing woman, a mention of a "Patrick", and a phone ping in Gooding, ID - that led them to call the FBI... why didn't BFF call them immediately herself? She knew more than the R's and could have called police Dec 10 or whenever she saw the news - but it does not appear that she did. Why not? Maybe you are right, she fears KK somehow.

 

[The Night Watchman]

Pasting a post (#9) yesterday from- Sddaisy25:

Not sleuthing the IN, but KKTV is now reporting that they have confirmed that the three solicitation charges stem from PF soliciting KK on three occasions to murder Kelsey. Has anyone seen other MSM reporting on this?
Source confirms Frazee solicitation charges are tied to Idaho woman

The link now has the new R's story, instead of the actual description in the URL- "Fiance-of-missing-mother-will-face-judge-Monday".

And I can't find the original KKTV story that "confirmed" that PF soliciting KK on three occasions to murder Kelsey. There is one KKTV video now saying solicitation of KK was "more than once".

Was the original story that KK was solicited three times retracted? Can anyone find it? Did anyone else find this fact backed up by other MSM sources- this is important.

If there is no corroboration on this story (if it still exists), we have to acknowledge that we don't know if PF solicited KK on three separate occasions.

It's kind of a big deal. Because there may be more people involved in the plot to kill Kelsey.

 

[K9Enzo]

So how are murder for hire plots uncovered? I'm going to assume from people reporting information to LE. Many murders have been stopped. Many times LE will step in, unbeknownst to the murder plotter and bust them.

 

[Hatfield]

JMO
Im probably reading too much into this but I think their own words give away why they did not contact LE sooner. Having a lack of courage. Because it makes no sense to be surprised a mother of a missing person would go on TV to try to help find her daughter.

"When asked what made xxxxx come forward and call the FBI......"

".....I think the mother that had the courage and go on TV when her daughter was missing, saying that someone knew where she was at,.......At that point in my mind......"

Twin Falls couple talks about providing a tip to the FBI on the Kelsey Berreth case

 

[Trudie]

I don't know why KK told this BFF that P wanted KK to kill P's babymama. Why did KK do that? Why didn't KK call the police? KK knew that this BFF worked at the R's law firm. Did KK relay this murder solicitation story to anyone else? If all 3 solicitation attempts relate to KK between Sep 1 and Nov 1, as reported by media in Idaho (KMVT) when was KK planning to inform the police?

We will likely never know the extent of the convo between kk/bff, IMO. I’m thinking it was more than a simple statement.
Wish we knew if KK traveled to CO alone & her arrival date.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Ita. Now, if the girl told her lawyer her BFF had a trunk full of guns & ammo and was headed to east on John Doe expressway in a lime green VW, perhaps an APB would have been issued. Idk
In my state, LE are more than overwhelmed with DV, personality disputes, feuding neighbors, etc., MY experience tells me they have little interest w/o evidence.
I might engage in convo with a friend, we discuss John Doe & things we don’t like about him. I might say “oh, I’m going to kill him bc.....”. That does not mean I’m actually plotting a murder. Also, is the BFF a drama queen? Does she sensationalize things?
It strikes me odd KK would discuss murder with anyone. Unless she was trying to create an alibi. Then, when KB is killed, “oh oh, I told my friend in October PF wanted her murdered.” Moo

Trudi, you seem very focused again on that she was saying that to create an alibi. In my opinion, that only brings her into it more into question. Not an alibi.

 

[Deleted member 718]

I wondered this last night. Job perk.......

Although BFF didn't follow through to LE, it certainly helps her case that she told someone about the threat before it happened. It might look worse for her if she hadn't taken any action.

This is so twisted.

 

[BingoBongo]

So if someone on here said their BFF, Lisa (in California), last night said that her boyfriend John in (Texas) said he asked her to kill his baby momma and they were really upset about it. You would feel that you had to immediately call LE to report this? with this much info? Someone named John in Texas is going to kill his baby momma. No, don't know her name....no, don't know where in Texas. No, didn't hear it directly. Oh, and the person I did hear it from said it was just a joke, and never mind, but please, devote LE resources to tracking it down....thanks.

No. Matter. What. ????

First off, the degrees of separation here, are quite different than that of an employee/employer. As in, being in person, seeing, hearing, knowing that person.

Second, if I had credible belief that what was being said here may be true (as they did, due to personally knowing their employee and personally hearing it from her mouth and seeing her demeanor (visibly upset)...not second hand as it would be here. Then YES, I WOULD. NO. MATTER. WHAT.

They had the resources to find out his last name, and I, honestly, do not believe they didn't know it, or couldn't have found it out...very easily.

I need not tell LE how to handle the info. as in "but please devote LE resources". All I need to do is give them the info.

As a human being, that is my obligation.

Edited to ad - this is a personal injury law office. I would imagine, it must have crossed their minds, what the possibilities were/are; i.e. did they advise their employee (btw, I doubt she is a client too as am guessing that would bring up conflict of interest in some capacity...but they may have, by now, referred her to someone else?) the potential ramifications of NOT saying anything? If any individual would know that to be important, they should due to their choice in business.

 

[jewelsmac]

That is my point in most of my posts re this...you don't make those judgements because generally you don't have the knowledge, or capacity to discern what's up.

You provide LE with what you know, and let them handle it.

so much this ^

 

[Trudie]

So how are murder for hire plots uncovered? I'm going to assume from people reporting information to LE. Many murders have been stopped. Many times LE will step in, unbeknownst to the murder plotter and bust them.

IMO, there has to be much more than a casual comment.
I might tell a friend, “I’m so broke, I’m gonna rob a bank”, LE can not arrest me.
Or, I might say “John Doe peed me off to the point I feel like shooting him”, there no evidence I intend to do so.
Jmo

 

[Yellow Rose]

LE has possession of Kelsey's phone. It appears they're searching a new area of Idaho, KK's comfort zone, for Kelsey's body.
Fox 31 Denver had a similar post.
FOX31 KDVR.com

remains were found? ummmm is this a good source?

 

[cass523]

Kelsey Berreth’s fiancé, Patrick Frazee, asked Idaho woman to help kill the Colorado mother, couple says
Fox News

 

[BingoBongo]

I see it the opposite; as officers of the court/Lawyers with legal training and knowledge, they should have made a report. We're not talking about 3rd hand knowledge of a "threat", we're talking about a "visibly upset" employee telling them of a solicitation to commit murder.

I have zero idea if LE would have acted or said thanks for the report. At least they would have done their part.

I've met many attorneys in my career I'd guesstimate 97% would have made the report, if for no other reason than to cya. The 3% I'd bet $ on not making the report, are the same 3% I'd expect to see doing interviews calling themselves whistle blowers. Not sure if they would have filed official reports, but at the minimum talked to an LE acquaintance with the information.

To be very clear the R's didn't kill anyone they didnt, solicit/conspire/ or as far as I'd guess add fuel to the fire. I still think they failed in their duties as decent human beings.

All my own opinion, which no one else is required to share.

"I still think they failed in their duties as decent human beings."

Bless you!

IMO, it doesn't matter who you are, what your livelihood is, how you may, or may not, be obligated by that livelihood.

As a human being, you make the effort to alert those who need to be alerted.

 

[TxMother67]

My belief is the BFF should of reported it to LE she should of been first line, just because the R's are lawyers and one of their employees mentioned to them a friend in another state has a boyfriend that wants my friend to help him kill his baby's Mom, they did their part by telling employee have your BFF call me. IMO as attorney's they have case loads and real life going on daily. If this employee never mentions it again it was probably forgotten about until the R's saw the news , at that time it most likely dawns on them oh S---! that is the baby Momma our employee's BFF was talking about. The phone call to the FBI happens. Blame PF and IN and BFF they were on the front lines of this plot to kill KB. IMO Good for them for calling the FBI or this may have gone down as another young woman missing ! The R's acted in good faith IMO !

BBM

Couldn't agree more! However, why do an interview? It was tasteless, and regrettable. MOO

 

[Lady Justice21]

IMO, there has to be much more than a casual comment.
I might tell a friend, “I’m so broke, I’m gonna rob a bank”, LE can not arrest me.
Or, I might say “John Doe peed me off to the point I feel like shooting him”, there no evidence I intend to do so.
Jmo

Absolutely, that's for LE to investigate or not. At least the reporter knows they did their part. I've made countless reports throughout my career and life knowing LE or DHS may or may not be able to act, but at least I knew I had done all that I could do. The rest is up to them.

MOO

 

[Herat]

But their employee new KK’s last name. Enough to talk to her. Or even if they said to their employee “have her contact the police or we will”. Perhaps that would have been enough to deter her. Or make her come forward. We will never know

I’m firmly convinced BFF knows PF, and has met him, knows his full name.

 

[Herat]

Absolutely if this goes to trial BFF would testify as to what exactly KK told her. Whatever KK said directly to BFF is not hearsay.

The R's do not have an attorney-client privilege to any party in the case. They do have an employer-employee issue. They are mature professional people and they determined that to call the FBI was the best course of action. All the R's could really offer was to point the FBI at their employee/BFF.

If the R's, professionals who don't follow every true crime story in the news, just happened to notice a blip in the headlines about some out-of-state missing woman, a mention of a "Patrick", and a phone ping in Gooding, ID - that led them to call the FBI... why didn't BFF call them immediately herself? She knew more than the R's and could have called police Dec 10 or whenever she saw the news - but it does not appear that she did. Why not? Maybe you are right, she fears KK somehow.

BFF becomes a hugely important material witness in this murder. Her sworn testimony establishes
1) Corroboration of solicitation of murder
2) The name of the soliciter as PF

It also implicates KK as the potential murderer

 

[Charlot123]

I’m guessing many of us have dealt (professionally) with threats, I have. Those of us reporting threats to LE know how “seriously” they DON’T take things. IMO, particularly things they deem to be nothing more than personality disputes. MOO

I wonder if LE are simply overwhelmed. Professionally or personally, when I got a weirdo-threatening correspondence years ago (I think it was personal/random) and called LE, they asked me if I knew the person. I did not. When I asked if the style of correspondence was somewhat familiar to them (e.g., someone in the neighborhood threatening people around), they said there were too many around...

It is even worse if the threat comes online. I guess there is so many stuff floating around the Internet that no one has the capacity to pay attention.

And later, when we ask ourselves, "where were they looking when (such-and-such) posted online, "future..." all of these cases can be boiled down to limited manpower/human burnout.

 

[K9Enzo]

I'm moving on from the couple who did the interview. I'm perturbed with them, but that's on me. They are not responsible for the actions of PF. But as outsider looking in, their interview was just gross. (all my opinion)

 

[Charlot123]

BFF becomes a hugely important material witness in this murder. Her sworn testimony establishes
1) Corroboration of solicitation of murder
2) The name of the soliciter as PF

It also implicates KK as the potential murderer

All the more reasons not to harass important material witness online.