CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #28 *ARREST*

[NWLady]

I think this scenario may be possible but again, this is JMO and a possibility of what could have taken place....Maybe the BFF (who is allegedly a friend of KK) going to her employer with what she was told about PF asking KK 3 times to assist him, then the employer relaying that information to LEO/investigators was what got PF arrested AND charged with the 3 solicitation charges OR it could be that the BFF/employer is who led LEO/investigators to KK and it was KK who then told LEO/investigators that she was asked 3 times by PF to assist him. Possible either way I'd guess?

So what I am trying to say is - BFF to employer - employer to LEO
OR another option of BFF to employer - employer to LEO - then LEO to KK - Then KK tells of PF asking her to assist him 3 times - Then PF 3 solicitation charges added because of what KK verified/told LEO happened

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

remains were found? ummmm is this a good source?

The article doesn't state that.

 

[Jethro4WS]

This dated

Published at 7:00 pm, January 3, 2019
Updated at 7:10 pm, January 3, 2019

Police in Twin Falls have been trying to return to Colorado evidence of a sensitive nature that was discovered in December, after the FBI asked them to assist in the murder investigation, they said Thursday.

Police would not discuss the evidence further and said they’re working with Colorado investigators to determine whether the items should be sent by mail or courier.

Twin Falls Police will send "sensitive" evidence to Colorado in connection to missing woman | East Idaho News

.....

Any thoughts on this now that we know what we know.

If it were critical potential evidence, very important potential evidence it would be where it needs to be and we wouldn't be seeing a report saying they have it and are trying to figure out how to send it to Colorado. That said, it could very well be the case that evidence was sent back to Colorado and this report is misdirection by law enforcement to cause one or more individuals to believe that law enforcement hadn't recovered anything significant. But if it were misdirection that would be short-lived since discovery has to be turned over to the defense within 35 days for some of it and earlier for the rest (though I am not sure when the clock started ticking on that and have a feeling there will be a motion hearing on turning over evidence to the defense).

 

[Charlot123]

IMO, there has to be much more than a casual comment.
I might tell a friend, “I’m so broke, I’m gonna rob a bank”, LE can not arrest me.
Or, I might say “John Doe peed me off to the point I feel like shooting him”, there no evidence I intend to do so.
Jmo

I know people who post in their blogs/books "there are mornings when people irritate me so much I could kill someone", and no one goes after them. I guess our attitude to professional writers/bloggers is different.

Bottom line is, no one can predict human behavior.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

As attorneys and officers of the court, the Rs were kind of in a different category than a general member of the public would be when deciding how to handle the info. It would be interesting to hear from attorneys on this quagmire of a circumstance.

Think about it. You’re an attorney and one of your employees comes to you and shares information. Is she your client at that point, or your employee? Would she have to quit in order to be considered your client?

Then there’s the information - it’s hearsay. The BFF isn’t saying that she heard the threat communicated. She is saying that her friend heard the threat communicated. As a lawyer, I imagine the Rs probably didn’t feel comfortable given their position and reputation with contacting LE right away with a sordid tale of “someone we know said that someone she knows told her that someone she knows asked her to kill somebody.”

I think the right thing that they TRIED to do was to encourage KK to come talk to them. Maybe they were hoping she would agree to talk to LE and they could represent her in that meeting. But KK never showed, and as officers of the court they’re not going to go report things that are hearsay in the way that a member of the public might. JMO

Yeah, it publicly and nationally begs the question of their conversation with the BFF before and after they contacted the FBI.

 

[Hatfield]

BFF becomes a hugely important material witness in this murder. Her sworn testimony establishes
1) Corroboration of solicitation of murder
2) The name of the soliciter as PF

It also implicates KK as the potential murderer

JMO
Absolutely

She is guaranteed to be called as a witness during the trial. Both the Defense and Prosecution will want to call her as a witness.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Not sure what being multiple States has to do with anything in this regard. All they had to do was to have called their local LE, and let LE make decisions as to how to proceed.

What you portray may be very close to the truth, or it may not. We only know that the R's said their employee was "visibly upset".

In my world, a visibly upset person claiming murder is on someone's mind, is enough to call LE.

No. Matter. What.

Edited for typos, blame it on the dog.

Another thought comes to mind because of the Jodi Arias case. Since they have gone to National media and done an interview, when it comes to trial, they perhaps may not be called by the defense nor the prosecution. They are now tainted by both parties? Perhaps they did it purposely for that reason? Moo

 

[Sddaisy25]

Pasting a post (#9) yesterday from- Sddaisy25:

Not sleuthing the IN, but KKTV is now reporting that they have confirmed that the three solicitation charges stem from PF soliciting KK on three occasions to murder Kelsey. Has anyone seen other MSM reporting on this?
Source confirms Frazee solicitation charges are tied to Idaho woman

The link now has the new R's story, instead of the actual description in the URL- "Fiance-of-missing-mother-will-face-judge-Monday".

And I can't find the original KKTV story that "confirmed" that PF soliciting KK on three occasions to murder Kelsey. There is one KKTV video now saying solicitation of KK was "more than once".

Was the original story that KK was solicited three times retracted? Can anyone find it? Did anyone else find this fact backed up by other MSM sources- this is important.

If there is no corroboration on this story (if it still exists), we have to acknowledge that we don't know if PF solicited KK on three separate occasions.

It's kind of a big deal. Because there may be more people involved in the plot to kill Kelsey.

Weird that they replaced the story instead of just adding to it. All the other MSM I have found relating all 3 solicitation charges to KK reference the original KMVT/KKTV story.

 

[jaspermac]

I'm moving on from the couple who did the interview. I'm perturbed with them, but that's on me. They are not responsible for the actions of PF. But as outsider looking in, their interview was just gross. (all my opinion)

I agree, maybe the problem is that as lawyers they looked at it from the point of view- the police will ignore it because there is so little solid info, KK needs to come to us. The rest of us , would go to the police and then be told- we'll look into it and probably nothing much would happen.

Still the interview.. What were they thinking??? How could they be so naive as to how they would be viewed? Knowing that their employee was harrassed on social media how could they not see that the masses would do the same to them. It boggles my mind. If they had stayed silent- maybe or maybe not would anyone have ever heard of them. It might come out at a trial or it might get buried in paperwork. I do not understand what they were thinking. I couldn't even comment last night because it is all so tragic and unbelieveable that so many people knew and it still happened. Even KK, she knew she had told people why the heck didn't she tell PF- loose lips sink ships and my lips have been flapping. Don't go down this path.

 

[BRRI]

There are several posts similar to the one above and may I say . . .

Wow. Just . . . wow. All this accusation and indignation for innocent people caught in a web NOT of their making.

The only people who knew this was a murder plot prior to Kelsey being murdered was PF, and maybe KK and the other solicitees, if there are others.

To expect people who are getting a story third-or fourth-hand to report a threat, especially when they don't even know the details--who, what, when, where--is ludicrous. IMO.

Hindsight is the only reason why we all know there was a murder plot in the works last fall. We now have the knowledge that something nefarious was being planned, and carried out, by PF, and these folks came to that knowledge about the same time the rest of the world did. And when they recognized they actually knew something, they reported it to the proper authorities.

As always, IMO.

Just curious. If your best friend told you that she was asked to murder someone, and she told you in such a way that you were so bothered by it, you went to your boss visibly upset to tell them...you wouldn’t report that?

 

[Jethro4WS]

Question-- We heard KK had retained a lawyer. Do we know her attorney's name? Has that person spoken on her behalf anywhere? TIA.

Not one word has been said about an attorney let alone one speaking on her behalf.

 

[cluciano63]

Unless the friend is a modern day version of a 19th century “female hysteric”...they (R’s) should have taken the comment from KK to her as a possible threat and let LE know. LE might roll their eyes a bit, but it would be recorded, and possibly investigated to a degree.

Whereas it defintely won’t be, if LE is not told.

 

[Yellow Rose]

The article doesn't state that.

Actually you were quoting an article that DID say that:
Hansen, Idaho is Target in Kelsey Berreth Investigation
The center of the investigation by authorities seems to be a nurse now on leave from her job in Twin Falls. The nurse appears to have been involved with Berreth’s fiancé, who has been charged in the young woman’s disappearance and death. Weeks ago, a Sheriff in Colorado told reporters Berreth is believed to be dead after remains were found in southern Colorado. She went missing Thanksgiving Day.

 

[Jethro4WS]

LE has possession of Kelsey's phone. It appears they're searching a new area of Idaho, KK's comfort zone, for Kelsey's body.
Fox 31 Denver had a similar post.
FOX31 KDVR.com

Neither story says law enforcement recovered her phone.

 

[MsBetsy]

Trudi, you seem very focused again on that she was saying that to create an alibi. In my opinion, that only brings her into it more into question. Not an alibi.

Did you mean to say her "involvement more into question?" I agree that she was not trying to establish an alibi, just wanted to make sure I understand the post.

 

[cluciano63]

Jmo if my best friend...who has relationship dramas a plenty...told me that her latest had asked her to kill or help kill the mother of his child...or anyone else...I would have told her to call police or that I would.

I really hate that we are hearing from the R’s.

 

[SandyQLS]

BBM

Couldn't agree more! However, why do an interview? It was tasteless, and regrettable. MOO

I don't agree. I think the R's are smart and familiar with laws like obstruction of justice or interfering in an ongoing investigation. They called the FBI unprompted when they thought they might know something even though it was 3rd or 4th hand and vague. They likely have personal attorneys of their own who are advising them. Of course CYA is always at play and they probably wanted to be very clear to the FBI the exact limit of their knowledge.

JMO they are giving interviews with the blessing of the FBI and for the purpose of putting pressure on KK, and perhaps others in KK's circle.

 

[BingoBongo]

Another thought comes to mind because of the Jodi Arias case. Since they have gone to National media and done an interview, when it comes to trial, they perhaps may not be called by the defense nor the prosecution. They are now tainted by both parties? Perhaps they did it purposely for that reason? Moo

Good point. Any lawyers here know?

If they are smart, they obtained their own legal representation prior to talking to the media and doing interviews. If so, probably a lot of planning went into their decision making as to what to say, how to say it, and how to best protect themselves and their business.

I don't imagine their stupid.

 

[cluciano63]

Jmo but I doubt LE approved their interview.

 

[oviedo]

Not one word has been said about an attorney let alone one speaking on her behalf.

snipped BBM
The nurse and her attorney could not immediately be reached for comment by ABC News.
https://nypost.com/2019/01/03/nurse-may-have-played-role-in-kelsey-berreths-disappearance/
Considering how bad the reporting is - who knows if they really tried to reach her attorney IMO.