CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #28 *ARREST*

[Sabrina1011]

I don't agree. I think the R's are smart and familiar with laws like obstruction of justice or interfering in an ongoing investigation. They called the FBI unprompted when they thought they might know something even though it was 3rd or 4th hand and vague. They likely have personal attorneys of their own who are advising them. Of course CYA is always at play and they probably wanted to be very clear to the FBI the exact limit of their knowledge.

JMO they are giving interviews with the blessing of the FBI and for the purpose of putting pressure on KK, and perhaps others in KK's circle.

And do you really believe they aren’t getting a cent from all this. I find it hard to believe

 

[Madison418]

Just a thought that came through my head in the wee hours last night. Strange how on earlier threads we were considering someone possibly needing "protective custody." So ironic in my mind knowing what we know today, and will likely still be revealed, just how many people had some kind of knowledge of what could be in the works. It was only KB and baby K that needed protective custody MOO

My stomach hurts just thinking that this devastation could've been avoided what seems like so easily. IMO

 

[Jethro4WS]

snipped BBM
The nurse and her attorney could not immediately be reached for comment by ABC News.
https://nypost.com/2019/01/03/nurse-may-have-played-role-in-kelsey-berreths-disappearance/
Considering how bad the reporting is - who knows if they really tried to reach her attorney IMO.

Well, if ABC News knows she has an attorney, there must be an attorney of record. Perhaps law enforcement gave up an attorney name for them to contact. There are no charges or cases I have seen, so public record identification of an attorney doesn't exist at the moment.

 

[cluciano63]

Why wouldn’t KK have an attorney? Jmo even I would by this point and I believe in helping LE.

 

[UnicornDragon]

And do you really believe they aren’t getting a cent from all this. I find it hard to believe

Is this local media station? May actually not be much, if anything.

 

[oviedo]

Well, if ABC News knows she has an attorney, there must be an attorney of record. Perhaps law enforcement gave up an attorney name for them to contact. There are no charges or cases I have seen, so public record identification of an attorney doesn't exist at the moment.

I was thinking they may not know if she has an attorney and just assumed for story purposes? I can't find any charges yet and no one seems to be talking about KK anymore as far as her whereabouts... wonder what is up? and I wonder who else they may plan to arrest?

 

[Colorado303]

I wonder if the R's are getting paid for the interview?

They say they finally went to LE after seeing CB's plea, like they were doing her a favor. If I were CB, I'd be livid to know that they had information in October, and are now parading around on TV (possibly making money) patting themselves on the back ... while her daughter is dead due to multiple peoples' inactions.

BBM. To know your daughter was violently murdered by a man she trusted is horrific. To find out multiple people might have stopped it but chose not to try must be heartbreaking all over again.

Whistle-blowers blow the whistle to put a stop to something. What do you call someone who puts emergency flares/traffic cones in the street after an accident has been cleared?

 

[SandyQLS]

BFF becomes a hugely important material witness in this murder. Her sworn testimony establishes
1) Corroboration of solicitation of murder
2) The name of the soliciter as PF

It also implicates KK as the potential murderer

Thank you for clarity. Great post.

The R's would not be representing BFF either. BFF also needs an attorney IMO, who would have told her to say nothing to anyone except LE with her attorney present. BFF should not be online talking about KK or the case.

The R's could only ever testify to what BFF said directly to them, what prompted them to call the FBI and their call to the FBI. All JMO.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Why wouldn’t KK have an attorney? Jmo even I would by this point and I believe in helping LE.

We haven't seen an attorney named nor has one spoken on their client's behalf or even so much as issued a statement that they nor their client would be speaking with the media. I would be totally shocked if she didn't have an attorney and shocked if she didn't have one for quite some time.

 

[Hatfield]

I was thinking they may not know if she has an attorney and just assumed for story purposes? I can't find any charges yet and no one seems to be talking about KK anymore as far as her whereabouts... wonder what is up? and I wonder who else they may plan to arrest?

It appears Colorado can keep charges from the public. I did not know this could happen and maybe there could be charges already on KK and maybe they are hidden for the moment if LE is making an agreement with her to testify against PK.

Shrouded justice: Thousands of Colorado court cases hidden from public view on judges’ orders – The Denver Post

 

[Jethro4WS]

I was thinking they may not know if she has an attorney and just assumed for story purposes? I can't find any charges yet and no one seems to be talking about KK anymore as far as her whereabouts... wonder what is up? and I wonder who else they may plan to arrest?

They chased PF all around even at his attorney's office. I wonder why the news stations that came up from Colorado hasn't stood outside her attorney's office and did a report on air saying we tried to talk with KK or her attorney (pan camera to show the name of the law office) and we haven't received a response.

 

[mrstfs]

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[Madison418]

BBM. To know your daughter was violently murdered by a man she trusted is horrific. To find out multiple people might have stopped it but chose not to try must be heartbreaking all over again.

Whistle-blowers blow the whistle to put a stop to something. What do you call someone who puts emergency flares/traffic cones out after an accident has been cleared?

This is what I was thinking too. I can't imagine the added devastation for KB's parents. "You mean to tell me my daughter might be alive had any one of you people had the decency to pick up the phone????!!!!!" This is horrific. And it seems like everyone involved was simply worried about themselves. All MOO

 

[MCDRAW]

Ugh, getting tired of the people blaming the R’s for not coming forward sooner.

The person who should have called LE was KK! She had all of the info that could have saved KB! She chose to not to. Blame her!!

If you want to blame someone else, blame the bff for not calling LE. The bff knew more info and rather than call LE herself she went to her employers. If she was visibly upset when she told her employers about the situation she should have stepped up and made the call to LE herself, she didn’t.

The R’s asked the bff to have KK call them, did the bff ever relay that to KK? We don’t know. Maybe they did ask the bff about it after she initially came to them and she told them not to worry about it (or something along those lines).

They should have all called the police.

 

[Lhughessk]

I see it the opposite; as officers of the court/Lawyers with legal training and knowledge, they should have made a report. We're not talking about 3rd hand knowledge of a "threat", we're talking about a "visibly upset" employee telling them of a solicitation to commit murder.

I have zero idea if LE would have acted or said thanks for the report. At least they would have done their part.

I've met many attorneys in my career I'd guesstimate 97% would have made the report, if for no other reason than to cya. The 3% I'd bet $ on not making the report, are the same 3% I'd expect to see doing interviews calling themselves whistle blowers. Not sure if they would have filed official reports, but at the minimum talked to an LE acquaintance with the information.

To be very clear the R's didn't kill anyone they didnt, solicit/conspire/ or as far as I'd guess add fuel to the fire. I still think they failed in their duties as decent human beings.

All my own opinion, which no one else is required to share.

I submit respectfully that we ARE talking about a third party communication of a threat; that is exactly the status of the information as it came to the Rs. As for the BFF being “visibly upset”, the presence of absence of emotion has no bearing on what an attorney legally or ethically should do.

You’ll be interested to know that according to the ABA’s model rules of professional conduct, an attorney has no duty to report even if the circumstance is his OWN client, making a direct threat against a third party.

http://www.elon.edu/docs/e-web/law/law_review/Issues/Elon_Law_Review_V4_No1_Segal-Sacopulos.pdf

The only way that changes is if the threat is imminent - say your client says I’m going to go get a gun and go to that guy’s house right now and kill him. You do have to communicate in that circumstance.

The Rs situation is a heck of a lot more convoluted than a direct threat made by a client, even.

 

[Madison418]

The only thing I can think is that the R's are trying to get ahead of this with the interviews knowing that LE may be releasing info related to their knowledge and that would bring up much suspicion and many questions. BUT their interviews are, just based on what I'm seeing here, doing that as well. Is it a lack of self-awareness?? I just can't understand why they would do these interviews.

 

[oviedo]

They chased PF all around even at his attorney's office. I wonder why the news stations that came up from Colorado hasn't stood outside her attorney's office and did a report on air saying we tried to talk with KK or her attorney (pan camera to show the name of the law office) and we haven't received a response.

I would have expected one of the reporters to have figured out who her attorney is - if she has one? The silence is strange IMO. And then we have the R's interview in contrast - something just seems off to me.

 

[katydid23]

BBM. To know your daughter was violently murdered by a man she trusted is horrific. To find out multiple people might have stopped it but chose not to try must be heartbreaking all over again.

Whistle-blowers blow the whistle to put a stop to something. What do you call someone who puts emergency flares/traffic cones in the street after an accident has been cleared?

I know. That must be devastating for her family to know that she could have been warned before the vile deed happened. UGH. My heart goes out to them. This is going to be a very tough journey for them.

 

[Seattle1]

BFF becomes a hugely important material witness in this murder. Her sworn testimony establishes
1) Corroboration of solicitation of murder
2) The name of the soliciter as PF

It also implicates KK as the potential murderer

I just don't see PF expecting KK to physically carry out the murder herself but assist him with acquiring a 3rd party. MOO

 

[Hatch]

H

Although BFF didn't follow through to LE, it certainly helps her case that she told someone about the threat before it happened. It might look worse for her if she hadn't taken any action.

This is so twisted.

Had she not taken any action, most likely no one would have ever known she knew. I doubt IN would tell LE she had discussed it with others. Fortunately BFF did mention it to others . I bet PF is raging mad IN discussed it with others.