CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #28 *ARREST*

[Herat]

I wonder if the R’s have been retained by BFF as her legal counsel......

 

[scapa]

Is Ibtimes MSM?

They're primarily an aggregator and get only a "mixed" rating from MediaBias. I generally discount them as a "breaking news" source. But with the reporting so far in this case, who knows?

 

[BingoBongo]

As attorneys and officers of the court, the Rs were kind of in a different category than a general member of the public would be when deciding how to handle the info. It would be interesting to hear from attorneys on this quagmire of a circumstance.

Think about it. You’re an attorney and one of your employees comes to you and shares information. Is she your client at that point, or your employee? Would she have to quit in order to be considered your client?

Then there’s the information - it’s hearsay. The BFF isn’t saying that she heard the threat communicated. She is saying that her friend heard the threat communicated. As a lawyer, I imagine the Rs probably didn’t feel comfortable given their position and reputation with contacting LE right away with a sordid tale of “someone we know said that someone she knows told her that someone she knows asked her to kill somebody.”

I think the right thing that they TRIED to do was to encourage KK to come talk to them. Maybe they were hoping she would agree to talk to LE and they could represent her in that meeting. But KK never showed, and as officers of the court they’re not going to go report things that are hearsay in the way that a member of the public might. JMO

Could they have asked someone else to call. Most PD's have tip lines. At the very least, someone unrelated to this little group could have been asked to call and leave a tip.

Dang, if my daughter is ever harmed, and someone came forth later saying they heard something prior, all you-know-what is going to break loose.

Don't we, regardless of our working capacity (atty., nurse, LE, etc.) have a responsibility AS HUMAN BEINGS?

 

[Noharg]

Yes, this is true but we weren't in the shoes of the R's and have no idea how this played out in real time. In retrospect, they must wish they would have said something, but in reality maybe the situation as they experienced it was not taken seriously for multiple reasons- like one person said- 'young people drama' that appeared to have been in passing.

Being a mom (kids now grown but they still can be dramatic) and a retired high school teacher, I have experienced my share of YPD (“young people drama”). That same experience taught me which to take seriously.
JMO

 

[SandyQLS]

I'm trying to follow the logic of your thinking. Are you trying to state that KK told her best friend back in October that her boyfriend wanted her to kill the baby mama. And that was some type of her planning to ...what avail?

I don't know why KK told this BFF that P wanted KK to kill P's babymama. Why did KK do that? Why didn't KK call the police? KK knew that this BFF worked at the R's law firm. Did KK relay this murder solicitation story to anyone else? If all 3 solicitation attempts relate to KK between Sep 1 and Nov 1, as reported by media in Idaho (KMVT) when was KK planning to inform the police?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I agree

I think BFF knows who PF is and is not just some random “Patrick” as the R’s want to make out.

I’m sure BFF has met PF. Maybe they were a “thing” once, who knows. That rodeo crowd may do more than Western swing...

If BFF and KK were truly great friends, BFF would have at least heard of PF and likely KK would have confided about the KB situation and how it made her feel ! “So where are you going this weekend KK? Oh, I’m meeting PF at the Laramie WY rodeo.” Stuff like that.

I think BFF may be feeling some real remorse for knowing much more than the R’s are revealing.

And maybe she’s afraid of KK...

Wouldnt BFF be a hugely important material witness against KK and PF?

Looking back, law enforcement definitely did stage the pressers to talk to the individuals that were involved in this crime. And the outliers that maybe in another state that could only be reached with media and pressures that went interstate and National. We said it before, that many times FBI gives input as to what is to be said at those pressers. It appears it worked.

E.g. Making sure that she was referred to as a fiance, and the mother coming on and pleading, saying his name, saying that he was invited but a no-show, but giving enough to the Press so that they actually went and got his photograph to put in there news reports.

Textbook FBI involvement with how to handle such m o o

 

[justaparent]

...they have to have been concerned the same might happen to their business.

It has. Hopefully I can say that since they have public SM profiles.

 

[Seattle1]

I question their reasoning for the interview as well. It’ll be interesting to hear the entirety of it to try and figure out what their motive was/is.

They stated the BFF has been being harassed.....I wonder if they are representing her for some reason and trying to redirect the narritive as it involves the BFF, or maybe they want to try and clear her name. Maybe they also wanted some recognition or are being harassed themselves. Something seems off to me. MOO

Maybe the BFF wants the reward, and they are representing her. So much missing. And why break up the damn interview!!

 

[justaparent]

This article says KK was taken into custody.

As police continue the investigation into the case, they took an unidentified 32-year-old nurse from Idaho in custody.
Missing Colorado Mom Update: Patrick Frazee's Mistress Told Friend About Murder Plot

Unfortunately, that “news” source is a click bait company. Very iffy.

MOO

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Not sure what being multiple States has to do with anything in this regard. All they had to do was to have called their local LE, and let LE make decisions as to how to proceed.

What you portray may be very close to the truth, or it may not. We only know that the R's said their employee was "visible upset".

In my word, a visibly upset person claiming murder is one someone's mind, is enough to call LE.

No. Matter. What.

So if someone on here said their BFF, Lisa (in California), last night said that her boyfriend John in (Texas) said he asked her to kill his baby momma and they were really upset about it. You would feel that you had to immediately call LE to report this? with this much info? Someone named John in Texas is going to kill his baby momma. No, don't know her name....no, don't know where in Texas. No, didn't hear it directly. Oh, and the person I did hear it from said it was just a joke, and never mind, but please, devote LE resources to tracking it down....thanks.

No. Matter. What. ????

 

[jewelsmac]

Idaho couple say they called the FBI after hearing about the 'plot' to kill Kelsey Berreth | Daily Mail Online

always interesting to see the take of the DM IMO

Except for that they didn’t, until be “plot” had taken place

 

[Lady Justice21]

As attorneys and officers of the court, the Rs were kind of in a different category than a general member of the public would be when deciding how to handle the info. It would be interesting to hear from attorneys on this quagmire of a circumstance.

Think about it. You’re an attorney and one of your employees comes to you and shares information. Is she your client at that point, or your employee? Would she have to quit in order to be considered your client?

Then there’s the information - it’s hearsay. The BFF isn’t saying that she heard the threat communicated. She is saying that her friend heard the threat communicated. As a lawyer, I imagine the Rs probably didn’t feel comfortable given their position and reputation with contacting LE right away with a sordid tale of “someone we know said that someone she knows told her that someone she knows asked her to kill somebody.”

I think the right thing that they TRIED to do was to encourage KK to come talk to them. Maybe they were hoping she would agree to talk to LE and they could represent her in that meeting. But KK never showed, and as officers of the court they’re not going to go report things that are hearsay in the way that a member of the public might. JMO

I see it the opposite; as officers of the court/Lawyers with legal training and knowledge, they should have made a report. We're not talking about 3rd hand knowledge of a "threat", we're talking about a "visibly upset" employee telling them of a solicitation to commit murder.

I have zero idea if LE would have acted or said thanks for the report. At least they would have done their part.

I've met many attorneys in my career I'd guesstimate 97% would have made the report, if for no other reason than to cya. The 3% I'd bet $ on not making the report, are the same 3% I'd expect to see doing interviews calling themselves whistle blowers. Not sure if they would have filed official reports, but at the minimum talked to an LE acquaintance with the information.

To be very clear the R's didn't kill anyone they didnt, solicit/conspire/ or as far as I'd guess add fuel to the fire. I still think they failed in their duties as decent human beings.

All my own opinion, which no one else is required to share.

 

[Gardener1850]

I really wish we were given the entire interview instead of this piecemeal! So many unanswered questions. I wasn't aware of the occupation of the whistle blowers and/or bff when I first watched the interview. I'm now wondering if KK told her bff about a man allegedly soliciting her-- not as her confidant, but trying to feel her out for free legal advice, and why the bff went to her attorney employer to begin with (who responded by suggesting KK contact him personally). And then, we don't know when-- whether the next day, a week,... KK tells them to forget it -- perpetuating the idea it's not serious, maybe just a guy blowing off steam. Legally thinking, the Attorney, and maybe even the bff, would understand that verbally soliciting a crime in itself is not actionable -- there's additional requirements to satisfy the statute. I want to know the rest of the story!! Did the subject never come up again until Thanksgiving? Later? How did the whole thing unfold within their own walls? When did KK realize PF was serious? Give us more, please.

ETA: Colorado criminal solicitation link posted in earlier thread provided a good example for solicitation

• Example: One night Lenny and Mickey are having a beer, when Lenny says to Mickey, “What do you say we kill my wife? That woman needs to die.” Without anything further, Lenny is guilty of nothing more than blowing off steam.
• But... let's say that after Lenny's wife gets killed, the police discover a history of Google queries on Lenny's computer asking the going rate for a hired killer. The prosecutor also finds several of Lenny's friends who testify that Lenny was always discussing scenarios for getting rid of his wife. A jury could find these to be circumstances strongly corroborative of Lenny's intent to kill his wife.

MOO

I'm wondering something similar about someone feeling the R's out for free legal advice, but I have a slightly different scenario in my mind. I want to see the rest of their interviews first though.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

No. I dealt with


It’s my opinion if I go to my local,police & tell them my neighbor asked me to kill or help kill his baby mom in another state they will not act. Because of TOS, I can’t elsborate, further.

Yet, if you found out later that the mom was killed, would you immediately without hesitation go to law enforcement?

 

[NoeticSoul]

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[jewelsmac]

Kinda hard to do when you don’t know Patrick’s last name.

But their employee new KK’s last name. Enough to talk to her. Or even if they said to their employee “have her contact the police or we will”. Perhaps that would have been enough to deter her. Or make her come forward. We will never know

 

[Trudie]

I wonder if the R’s have been retained by BFF as her legal counsel......

I wondered this last night. Job perk.......

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I've lived in CO. We had a pretty direct threat made at my work place towards a person. It was reported to LE, and it was dismissed same day with minimal effort. There was still a lack of exact evidence, so nothing they would do at the time. DV threats are still heavily ignored, which has been seen time and time again.

Is that every case/every time? No. But it's not uncommon from my understanding.

The R's, what they know is 2nd or 3rd hand, and potentially were told it was nothing after all, just a bad round of drinking or something dumb, and so it was nothing for the rest of October, November and the start of December until it makes national media.

Now, why they are talking to the media now is a different matter, but there's no gag order in place on this case, so anyone as of yet is free to yap away publicly.

Iirc, gag orders can only be placed on and by the court. Private individuals cannot be gagged if I recall correctly

 

[gngr~snap]

So if someone on here said their BFF, Lisa (in California), last night said that her boyfriend John in (Texas) said he asked her to kill his baby momma and they were really upset about it. You would feel that you had to immediately call LE to report this? with this much info? Someone named John in Texas is going to kill his baby momma. No, don't know her name....no, don't know where in Texas. No, didn't hear it directly. Oh, and the person I did hear it from said it was just a joke, and never mind, but please, devote LE resources to tracking it down....thanks.

No. Matter. What. ????

I would think LE would go directly to BFF and get Lisa's full name and address at the very least.
It sure sounds like it would have been discounted by LE though.
Moo

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

HANSEN, IDAHO IS TARGET IN KELSEY BERRETH INVESTIGATION
Hansen, Idaho is Target in Kelsey Berreth Investigation

LE has possession of Kelsey's phone. It appears they're searching a new area of Idaho, KK's comfort zone, for Kelsey's body.
Fox 31 Denver had a similar post.
FOX31 KDVR.com