CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #28 *ARREST*

[Herat]

I wonder if KK assisted in finding a 3rd party to do the murder and just assisted in the plot to divert attention.

That could be the 3rd soliciation charge that would refer to PF.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I agree IMO just a silent straw ! Until the final outcome is known. Then again LE may suggested the interview to shake more monkeys out of the trees.

I wonder if the Rs are the ones who put up the reward money.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Ok just saw a comment from Kelsey Souto the reporter from KMVT on her official Facebook page giving a tiny bit more info about Rs belief regarding KK alleged mindset. Ms. Souto says they’ll have more on that this week.

Thanks mrstfs. Is it this comment?

"Kelsey Souto - KMVT News according to the Rockstahl’s they believe KK was in fear for her life. We’ll have more on that later this week."

They've just blown the "PF & KK were lovers" slant. Now it sounds like KK is someone you might call if you need a killer.

KK is in fear of her life, knows PF wants KB dead, yet she doesn't contact LE at any point? And KB phone pings in Idaho?

 

[enelram]

I wonder if the Rs are the ones who put up the reward money.

I would guess KB's parents did.

 

[Lhughessk]

I'll agree to disagree with you that this was a threat. I believe they were aware of the crime of solicitation not a threat. IMO

I know they weren't violating their ethics as attorneys, that's why I didn't say they were. I said they failed to act as decent human beings.

Again all MOO anyone is free to believe differently.

Can you explain why you’re making a distinction between solicitation and a threat? BFF told them that her friend had been solicited; solicitation by its nature involves a threat. If you are aware of a solicitation, then you are aware that there is a threat to someone’s life. If you disagree that’s perfectly fine; I’m just not following your reasoning about the distinction and the importance of it.

 

[mrstfs]

I would guess KB's parents did.

MSM reports of the reward money say “anonymous donor”.

 

[enelram]

Thanks mrstfs. Is it this comment?

"Kelsey Souto - KMVT News according to the Rockstahl’s they believe KK was in fear for her life. We’ll have more on that later this week."

They've just blown the "PF & KK were lovers" slant. Now it sounds like KK is someone you might call if you need a killer.

KK is in fear of her life, knows PF wants KB dead, yet she doesn't contact LE at any point? And KB phone pings in Idaho?

Actually, because of all the current research on DV abusers
and murderers, this is a great defense. Many times others
have been threatened by the perps and people tiptoe around them.
That doesn't explain KK driving 700 mi. on Tgiving and assisting in doing whatever.
This is going to be a convoluted story I can tell.

 

[Lady Justice21]

Can you explain why you’re making a distinction between solicitation and a threat? BFF told them that her friend had been solicited; solicitation by its nature involves a threat. If you are aware of a solicitation, then you are aware that there is a threat to someone’s life. If you disagree that’s perfectly fine; I’m just not following your reasoning about the distinction and the importance of it.

Aww sorry! Truly because a threat isn't always a crime. Let's say I threaten to do X, if Y doesn't happen. In many cases my threat would be considered empty and I couldn't be charged. Obviously if there was more to it I could. I could be very wrong in my next assumption, but *I believe solicitation to commit murder is always a crime. So to ME, if I were aware of a non-crime threat like if X then Y, there's a chance given the totality of the circumstances I personally wouldn't report. If I were aware of something more nefarious like solicitation to commit murder I'd really really like to think I would. Even if LE patted me on the head and said thanks. I could sleep at night knowing I did my part. That's why I was making the distinction, because in my own little head they are quite different.

 

[claudianunes]

I don't understand why she went to CO on Thanksgiving if she has two kids... She wanted to be with PF more than she wanted to be with her kids? Something doesn't add up here. What if he has something on her and was using it to make her do all of that stuff? Just saying...

 

[MassGuy]

Actually, because of all the current research on DV abusers
and murderers, this is a great defense. Many times others
have been threatened by the perps and people tiptoe around them.
That doesn't explain KK driving 700 mi. on Tgiving and assisting in doing whatever.
This is going to be a convuluted story I can tell.

That’s the problem, people in fear for their lives don’t travel hundreds of miles, and at the very least, participate in a coverup.

They didn’t live together, and she was not in any immediate danger anyways.

All she had to do was contact law enforcement, and she could have prevented this.

Being in fear doesn’t justify participation in the murder of an innocent mom.

 

[NoeticSoul]

Thanks mrstfs. Is it this comment?

"Kelsey Souto - KMVT News according to the Rockstahl’s they believe KK was in fear for her life. We’ll have more on that later this week."

They've just blown the "PF & KK were lovers" slant. Now it sounds like KK is someone you might call if you need a killer.

KK is in fear of her life, knows PF wants KB dead, yet she doesn't contact LE at any point? And KB phone pings in Idaho?

Yeah, that doesn't add up at all.

 

[oviedo]

I don't understand why she went to CO on Thanksgiving if she has two kids... She wanted to be with PF more than she wanted to be with her kids? Something doesn't add up here. What if he has something on her and was using it to make her do all of that stuff? Just saying...

She was divorced - perhaps it was not her "turn" with the kids. I will be interested to see what the R's say regarding this alleged trip IMO.

 

[enelram]

That’s the problem, people in fear for their lives don’t travel hundreds of miles, and at the very least, participate in a coverup.

They didn’t live together, and she was not in any immediate danger anyways.

All she had to do was contact law enforcement, and she could have prevented this.

Being in fear doesn’t justify participation in the murder of an innocent mom.

Totally agree with you, I'm just thinking of her performance
in court and her defense strategy.

 

[gitana1]

One thing I’m not sure anyone has mentioned regarding this couple - maybe the only way BFF would open up to them was if they promised to keep the information confidential. If that was the agreement, that would explain why they couldn’t say anything until after they heard about the disappearance, because at that point there is the likelihood that a felony was committed and they could be breaking the law by not reporting what they know. Right?

If they received information they promised to keep confidential they could never reveal it. Ever. Unless it was information that a crime was GOING to be committed and they needed to reveal the info to prevent death or grave bodily injury.

 

[gitana1]

I don't understand why she went to CO on Thanksgiving if she has two kids... She wanted to be with PF more than she wanted to be with her kids? Something doesn't add up here. What if he has something on her and was using it to make her do all of that stuff? Just saying...

Or she just felt inclined to help out a dude she was hot for. Even if to do so would be a crime. That happens frequently.

A scenario where an innocent person is blackmailed to do something criminal because the blackmailer "has something on her" mostly occurs in the movies.

 

[claudianunes]

She was divorced - perhaps it was not her "turn" with the kids. I will be interested to see what the R's say regarding this alleged trip IMO.

I mean, sure, that makes sense. But still, why not spend Thanksgiving with her family and stay around just in case she can see the kids? I don't know, Thanksgiving is not a thing in my country but it seems like a pretty big thing in the US - family visiting, college kids going back home - that's why I'm confused.

 

[claudianunes]

Or she just felt inclined to help out a dude she was hot for. Even if to do so would be a crime. That happens frequently.

A scenario where an innocent person is blackmailed to do something criminal because the blackmailer "has something on her" mostly occurs in the movies.

I don't know... That happens though. I guess I can't really think right because we don't know anything for sure about their relationship... Were they friends? How long have they known each other? If we knew those things it would be easier.

 

[Inspector Gidget]

It makes complete sense that if PF wanted KB's phone to travel to Idaho,he would want her body to as well.He thought about all of this well in advance.IMO PF has the mindset of a psychopath.

 

[sunshineandlove]

I wonder if at any time there was money provided to a solicitee.

 

[Esma]

KK may have been in the know and had some participation with a close accomplice who carried out the murder and she flipped on that other person to save herself. Maybe she IS/WAS afraid of that other person after she flipped. She was definitely a participant in the crime IMO, but not the murderer. I have a hunch who the other person may be, but will have to wait and see.. not so sure KK and PF were involved romantically.