CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #3

[Gunslinging Granny]

If KB's phone was mailed or shipped to Idaho, I doubt it travelled by truck. USPS ships in the cargo of commercial airliners and freight planes, and FedEx has their own planes.

If someone else had possession of KB's phone, posters have explained upthread about prescheduling texts. Thursday 22nd was Thanksgiving, so no shipping. Someone could fully charge the battery, schedule the texts for Sunday 25th. On Friday the 23rd simply ship the phone to Idaho from Colorado Springs with guaranteed delivery overnight or 2-day. The phone battery should last 48 hours if it is just left on and not doing anything - Friday 23rd to Sunday 25th.

Then the phone battery dies by Monday 26th in the package with a likely undeliverable Idaho address. It's in a warehouse somewhere, or even returned to sender, which may or may not be a real address in Colorado. Someone could effectively ship it to themself and who would know.

You're brilliant. Thank you!!!!

 

[jadejazzkayla]

I think there is more to the story than we are hearing.

In an article linked above it was stated that KB and her mom talk often, they were joined at the hip. Why didn't her mom or PF sound the alarm before December 2nd? There must be a reason, we just don't know yet. Is it just a coincidence that a text was received by KB's employer on the 25th saying she was taking the week off and exactly one week later the police or notified. Perhaps alarms were going off with mom before that and she allowed exactly one week to go by before contacting police.

Kelsey’s mom called woodland park police on Sunday Nov 25 and asked for a welfare check. Woodland park police did not mention this Nov 25th call in their press conference but that doesn’t negate the fact that it was made as has been reported in multiple articles.

We don’t know why woodland park police did not file a missing person report on Nov 25 after not finding Cheryl during the welfare check. One guess is that Kelsey’s mom knew about the text message Kelsy sent to her fiancé that same day and perhaps she passed that info to the police.

From link: Cheryl Berreth, Berreth’s mom, called police on Nov. 25. Officers conducted a welfare check at her home and she, along with her purse, were missing.

Link: New information released on case of missing mother whose phone was last pinged in Idaho

 

[Gardener1850]

Nevermind. Delete.

 

[Bill Carson]

It has been 4 weeks today since Thanksgiving.
I think it could still be her.
Hoping to learn more.

Only 3 weeks since Thanksgiving, and only 18 days since the last text message was sent, if it was her.

 

[NervousNellie]

Kelsey's remains will eventually be found. She likely had a $1,000,000 to $2,000,000 life insurance policy from her employer with her daughter as her beneficiary. The insurance payout is significantly faster if the death can be verified.

That is a LOT of life insurance to have through an employer!?! What makes you think her employer offered this much? Is that standard for pilots? It seems like a hefty policy like that would be fairly expensive, but especially so for a pilot. MOO. My husband and I both have coverage equal to "2 x base salary" from our employer-offered life insurance.

 

[Celt1997]

This is a link to the zoomed in satellite view of the only cell tower in Gooding ID. Zoom out to get context in relationship to the town and Interstate 84, etc. There are other cell towers along I-84 in towns named Wendell, Tuttle, and Bliss. Because law enforcement specifically said Gooding, ID I tend to think this one tower would be the one the phone was connected to rather than the ones on I-84 - but I could be wrong and law enforcement is just giving a general location.

Google Maps

There are also towers located South of Gooding, ID, as well that I was looking at.

Google Maps Tower

I keep thinking about that small, Gooding Airport and its proximity to the towers. A plane flying low enough offers access to cell towers from what I've read. Would it be possible that it did not ping since it was too high in the air, but did, once it got low enough...say near the Gooding Airport?

 

[Denvergirl]

Oh my gosh I just had a major a-ha, maybe a “duh”, about the oddities in this case. I haven’t been following this thread in every detail, so forgive me if someone has already said this. But what I just realized is that maybe they don’t have enough evidence to charge the fiancé however the fiancé, who they may believe is a murderer, has possession of the daughter. Law enforcemeant and her mother maybe biting their tongue and not revealing any details that could trigger him and caused him to harm the child! That’s why she’s not acting upset about not seeing the baby, why she doesn’t strongly confirm they for sure had dinner plans, why she’s being careful not to say anything negative about him and maybe why she’s trying to not act emotional???

 

[moreofless]

No, cell phones do not ping towers from the air. Both towers and cell phones are searching for signals at ground level. The technology for in-flight cell phone use became available in 2004 (link below). The technology accesses the plane's own satellite direct system. Altitude, air speed, and flying over vast areas of no coverage are issues in not being able to ping towers. There have been satellite direct phones available since the 1990s for extreme travellers, mountain climbers, maritime users... the costs continue to be very high. Google more info on "satellite phones" or "Iridium phones".

2004:
American Airlines and Qualcomm Complete Test Flight to Evaluate In-Cabin Mobile Phone Use | Qualcomm

Then how were passengers on the planes involved with 9/11 making calls with cell phones during the flights?

 

[Gardener1850]

Kevin's "Help Find" page confirms his remains were found.

Where is Kelsey??

Sad. It probably is him then. Where is Kelsey?

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

That is a LOT of life insurance to have through an employer!?! What makes you think her employer offered this much? Is that standard for pilots? It seems like a hefty policy like that would be fairly expensive, but especially so for a pilot. MOO. My husband and I both have coverage equal to "2 x base salary" from our employer-offered life insurance.

My employer and my husband's employer both offer this much life insurance as a benefit.

 

[allboys]

This thread is moving pretty fast, so I apologize if this has already been discussed. But what do we know about PF's whereabouts on Friday, Sat, Sun following Thanksgiving? Just wondering if he could have driven to Idaho and back or are their witnesses that place him Colorado during that time? This is something that LE certainly has already ascertained.

Exactly. These are the kinds of details we are used to having, and are conspicuously missing in this case. For example, in Mollie Tibbetts case, it seems we knew fairly early on WHERE her bf was when she went missing, how many miles away, and when he returned. And the same for the two others she was living with. Obviously, LE has asked these questions, but for some reason, is choosing not to publicize the answers. Granted, the time window is greater in this case, but it is unusual to know nothing of where fiancé was in the days following his last sighting of KB. MOO

 

[kspoon45]

It looks like they are planning a candlelight vigil for her tonight in her community. Do we want to start wagers on whether or not PF will be there?

 

[Madeleine74]

OR- could someone have sent the phone via mail, UPS, Fed Ex to someone, with pre-programmed texts to be sent, as a diversion as to where she really is, alive or not?

I think it's pretty far-fetched and not a viable theory, sorry.

 

[MyBelle]

If KB's phone was mailed or shipped to Idaho, I doubt it travelled by truck. USPS ships in the cargo of commercial airliners and freight planes, and FedEx has their own planes.

If someone else had possession of KB's phone, posters have explained upthread about prescheduling texts. Thursday 22nd was Thanksgiving, so no shipping. Someone could fully charge the battery, schedule the texts for Sunday 25th. On Friday the 23rd simply ship the phone to Idaho from Colorado Springs with guaranteed delivery overnight or 2-day. The phone battery should last 48 hours if it is just left on and not doing anything - Friday 23rd to Sunday 25th.

Then the phone battery dies by Monday 26th in the package with a likely undeliverable Idaho address. It's in a warehouse somewhere, or even returned to sender, which may or may not be a real address in Colorado. Someone could effectively ship it to themself and who would know.

Yes, what better day to overnight something than Black Friday! Because of the volume, finding the tracking information would take time but I think it could be done. JMO

 

[NervousNellie]

My employer and my husband's employer both offer this much life insurance as a benefit.

Are either of you a pilot?

 

[adb1025]

I think it's pretty far-fetched and not a viable theory, sorry.

Agreed. Although it explains the ping in Gooding, Idaho...it makes a ton of assumptions to do so and requires a level of thought and planning that is frankly kinda frightening. The ping may or may not be a red herring, but it looms there as a curiousity. I’d be hard pressed to think that she went three entire days without contacting anyone at all before sending off a couple of texts in Idaho and then going radio silent again. It stinks of a cover up and a poorly executed one at that. Certainly not one with the level of thinking that the FedEx scenario would have to have.

 

[LietKynes]

It looks like they are planning a candlelight vigil for her tonight in her community. Do we want to start wagers on whether or not PF will be there?

Yes, well..... no.
My virtual $$$ says he will not show up.
He ignored reporters who tried politely to speak with him ... he's not going to face even more people who might have questions.

He could very well be totally innocent and have no clue as to what's happened to Kelsey.
But his actions speak loudly.

 

[1mtroyal]

If KB's phone was mailed or shipped to Idaho, I doubt it travelled by truck. USPS ships in the cargo of commercial airliners and freight planes, and FedEx has their own planes.

If someone else had possession of KB's phone, posters have explained upthread about prescheduling texts. Thursday 22nd was Thanksgiving, so no shipping. Someone could fully charge the battery, schedule the texts for Sunday 25th. On Friday the 23rd simply ship the phone to Idaho from Colorado Springs with guaranteed delivery overnight or 2-day. The phone battery should last 48 hours if it is just left on and not doing anything - Friday 23rd to Sunday 25th.

Then the phone battery dies by Monday 26th in the package with a likely undeliverable Idaho address. It's in a warehouse somewhere, or even returned to sender, which may or may not be a real address in Colorado. Someone could effectively ship it to themself and who would know.

And the text to her employer was on a Sunday, saying she wouldn't be in next week. I wonder if her employer was closed on Sunday and didn't get the text until Monday? I assume the press has questions for her boss.

 

[cluciano63]

Am trying to thing of others who hired lawyers and later were completely cleared...anyone? But, that said...we do not know why he PK went to see a lawyer, do we? Could it be custody or has lawyer said otherwise?

 

[Kapua]

And the text to her employer was on a Sunday, saying she wouldn't be in next week. I wonder if her employer was closed on Sunday and didn't get the text until Monday? I assume the press has questions for her boss.

It would be interesting to know if any planes flew from Doss Aviation to Gooding, ID between Nov. 22 and Nov. 25.