CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #3

[Curiousobserver]

Yep. The reporting has been such that it’s easy to get when KB’s mother requested the welfare check confused. Thanks for clarifying

He didn't do anything different than what her own mother who spoke to her everyday also didn't do- just thinking like an attorney for a minute. Nobody anywhere reported her missing or went to her house to check for 10 days... How does someone fall through the cracks like that unless there is a reason nobody was concerned when she was out of contact for that long.

 

[Seattle1]

Very busy today but have been speed reading to find out status. I thought that I saw a statement that the three of them, KB PF and baby had planned on going to get a Christmas tree. Did I dream this or did I really read it and if I did read it, does anyone know when this was suppose to happen?

Cheryl B stated in one of her news interviews that KB was looking forward to decorating for Christmas, and had not "bought" a tree yet as it was possible she would get one with KF and child. This info was given more in the context of explaining KB's state of mind/mood than a definitive plan. MOO

 

[katydid23]

I wonder how close she lived to neighbors. Didn't they notice her cars hadn't moved for all that time and they hadn't seen a sign of her or the baby? Call me a noisy neighbor but I would have noticed and called the police (after I knocked on the door and looked through the windows...lol).

But it was Thanksgiving week. Lots of people go out of town during late November.

 

[adb1025]

Yeah 10 days is a long time. Definitely long enough to get to Idaho and back. With time to spare. Not including the 11/25 texts from her phone...which pinged in Idaho and I’m not sure if they’re able to geo trace where the messages were sent from or not. I would think so but I’m not 100 percent sure because of all of the platforms you can send texts from.

 

[Hatfield]

It doesn't work because there would have been more than one ping in Gooding.

Unless he felt the phone vibrate as it got reception and then the perp quickly turned off phone.

I know if I have my phone on mute then it will vibrate if i get a text message or phone call to the phone.

 

[cynsational]

Agree, Sherri Papini was a strange case. Do you happen to remember if her husband retained an attorney?

Papini's husband called 911 right away. He was on the news requesting for help finding her. He was not evasive as in this case.

 

[katydid23]

He didn't do anything different than what her own mother who spoke to her everyday also didn't do- just thinking like an attorney for a minute. Nobody anywhere reported her missing or went to her house to check for 10 days... How does someone fall through the cracks like that unless there is a reason nobody was concerned when she was out of contact for that long.

But he had their baby and was in the same town. The mother did not have the same information that he did. She could only call and call, and wait for a reply. She probably assumed that her daughter was busy working and would check in soon.

But the boyfriend knew that she wasn't home and working as usual. And he knew she wasn't checking in on her young child. Which would seem odd.

 

[Kapua]

Yeah 10 days is a long time. Definitely long enough to get to Idaho and back. With time to spare. Not including the 11/25 texts from her phone...which pinged in Idaho and I’m not sure if they’re able to geo trace where the messages were sent from or not. I would think so but I’m not 100 percent sure because of all of the platforms you can send texts from.

If her phone had Location enabled, investigators would be able to know for sure where her phone really was.

 

[Curiousobserver]

Papini's husband called 911 right away. He was on the news requesting for help finding her. He was not evasive as in this case.

He reported her missing within hours and also went searching using find my iphone

 

[PommyMommy]

I wonder if this story is accurate - I thought the earlier timeline was December 2 for the Mom to call LE? If she called 11/25 (Sunday) - and they did a welfare check and she was not there - something must have made them think nothing was amiss. Perhaps the text messages? If so, they did what they were designed to do if KB did not send them - buy time. Another week!

According to LE, Kelsey's mom called LE, a welfare check was done and Kelsey was reported missing on 12/2.

According to a couple of erroneous articles that remain uncorrected, the above occurred on 11/25.

Yesterday's news release:
Woodland Park Police Department | 12/12/18, 5:53 PM (MST)

 

[Curiousobserver]

But he had their baby and was in the same town. The mother did not have the same information that he did. She could only call and call, and wait for a reply. She probably assumed that her daughter was busy working and would check in soon.

But the boyfriend knew that she wasn't home and working as usual. And he knew she wasn't checking in on her young child. Which would seem odd.

True but none of her friends checked, the neighbors didn't check, nobody at work checked, his mother didn't check, he didn't check, her mother didn't check. All these people. Just blows my mind

 

[Tillicum]

He didn't do anything different than what her own mother who spoke to her everyday also didn't do- just thinking like an attorney for a minute. Nobody anywhere reported her missing or went to her house to check for 10 days... How does someone fall through the cracks like that unless there is a reason nobody was concerned when she was out of contact for that long.

I think the text received by her fiance gave mom reason to wait it out longer before contacting LE. If he is innocent, it's possible that text reassured both of them that she was okay and would probably be back within the week. All JMO.

 

[adb1025]

According to LE, Kelsey's mom called LE, a welfare check was done and Kelsey was reported missing on 12/2.

According to a couple of erroneous articles that remain uncorrected, the above occurred on 11/25.

Yesterday's news release:
Woodland Park Police Department | 12/12/18, 5:53 PM (MST)

Thank you. This is where so much of the confusion is.

 

[UKslueth2018]

How do we know KB and PF are engaged? Mom is reporting this, but PF has not confirmed. The baby is 15 mos, add 9 mos and they were a couple 2 years ago. Mom’s explanation that they didn’t get married yet because of financial reasons seems weak. KB bought her town home in that timeframe. And we have seen reports that as a farrier he makes good money. So why aren’t they married yet?

I doubt they are really engaged. I bet their only relationship is exchanging the baby. And I have seen reports that he has the baby more than her because of her work. So having the baby for long periods without talking to KB might not be unusual. Not every mom is totally committed to motherhood. There are plenty of mom’s who don’t dote over their kids.

And as religious as KB’s mom is, how do we know the engagement story wasn’t just something KB told her to mitigate the fact she was an unwed mother?

If they are not engaged, PF can’t come out now and say it because the court of public opinion would say he was lying to divert suspicion. But by NOT correcting it, he looks like a guy who didn’t really love his fiancé. He’s stuck now.

But if I were asked to bet on it, I would bet a whole paycheck that the engagement was a story KB told her mom to keep her off her back. We have absolutely no proof of it.

And the total lack of friends of KB, or even coworkers, who are in her life right now, means all we have are her mom’s “facts.” And she has no independent verification of what she knows.

My daughter was murdered when she was 22. She was shot along with another young lady by her ex-boyfriend. All the way through his trial, everyone portrayed her as good friends with the other victim. But that was not true. They were acquaintances at best. But the narrative was more interesting if they were friends and so that’s the story that was out there. But only the parties involved in a relationship will ever truly understand it. Not their friends or coworkers. And not their families. Everyone only knows what they are told. And I find it extremely telling that no one has come forward to corroborate the engagement story.

If PF hurt her, either by accident or on purpose, he should pay dearly. But... if he didn’t, then all those who have convicted him already should be ashamed that you didn’t spend more time actually looking for her. And I tend to think he didn’t do it.

Sorry for the loss of your daughter xx

 

[Esma]

I am curious if her fiancé will attend the vigil in Colorado. And if he does, who will be with him from his family and will he/they be standing along with her family?

 

[MyBelle]

Also remember though that nobody raised an alarm, not her family, not him, and not his family.

I believe their phone records will prove her family was blowing up both KB's phone and PF's phone with plenty of alarm and they received silence in return. JMO

 

[audge86]

Media is banned from the vigil so it may be hard to know if PF attends. Not sure if photos or anything will be shared

I doubt he will be there. He knows what most people are thinking about him right now. Even if he had nothing to do with her disappearance, he'd likely prefer to stay home rather than going and having everyone judge him

 

[Esma]

I wonder if there is any video of her leaving Safeway? I would think there would be, why are they not showing it?

 

[MyBelle]

Media is banned from the vigil so it may be hard to know if PF attends. Not sure if photos or anything will be shared

I doubt he will be there. He knows what most people are thinking about him right now. Even if he had nothing to do with her disappearance, he'd likely prefer to stay home rather than going and having everyone judge him

If the vigil is in a public place, the media can not be banned. JMO

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Kelsey’s mom called woodland park police on Sunday Nov 25 and asked for a welfare check. Woodland park police did not mention this Nov 25th call in their press conference but that doesn’t negate the fact that it was made as has been reported in multiple articles.

We don’t know why woodland park police did not file a missing person report on Nov 25 after not finding Cheryl during the welfare check. One guess is that Kelsey’s mom knew about the text message Kelsy sent to her fiancé that same day and perhaps she passed that info to the police.

From link: Cheryl Berreth, Berreth’s mom, called police on Nov. 25. Officers conducted a welfare check at her home and she, along with her purse, were missing.

Link: New information released on case of missing mother whose phone was last pinged in Idaho

Could that article be another case of poor reporting.

According to the timeline released by the WPPD - on December 2nd - Kelsey's mother Cheryl asked the Woodland Park Police Department to conduct a welfare check on Kelsey at her residence. They don't say they conducted a welfare check on November 25th so which is it. I'm inclined to believe the timeline released by WPPD.