CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #3

[Charlot123]

CB said in her interview that KB had a busy work schedule and she seemed to indicate that it was easier to reach KB at certain times than others. We don't know how many times CB tried to reach KB. Maybe once Monday the 26th rolled around, CB expected KB to be at work most of the time, so she might not expect a return call until the weekend. (Everybody's different when it comes to how often they speak to family members. I won't bore you with my own experience.)

We also don't know what was regular communication between KB and PF, nor do we know what their parenting time schedule looked like---at least the details.

Let's just suppose that he typically kept the child M-F while she worked and usually had the child on weekends, but this year he had all of the Thanksgiving weekend; OR maybe they did a week with him and a week with her and they exchanged on Thursday.... in either of those scenarios, he wouldn't have worried about her at all until it was time for her to pick the child up. Child's too young to talk on the phone. If the child doesn't get sick, he has no reason to call. PLUS, we don't know what she (or somebody) said in the text and and how that might have changed his expectations of when she would be back.

But the point is, he may not have had any reason to miss KB until December 1 or so. Then CB finally calls him and says "have you heard from KB? I have tried and tried and I can't reach her and she's not returning my calls?" (She's understandably frantic because she has been trying and trying to reach KB, and she is the one who expected a call back.) And PF says, "No, she texted me on 11/25 and said she was going to your house in Idaho and wouldn't be back until tonight. I thought she was with you." (Or whatever it might be.)

See what I mean? That would be a very reasonable explanation.

And we really don't know how many times PF and CB tried to contact KB or how, but I'm sure the police know.

I can't find your earlier post, but I can see how after Watts's story even people who are innocent would lawyer up and refuse polygraph testing and in general, behave as if they were accused.

A story comes to mind. Brooke B., the friend of Columbine shooters, was suspected merely because Eric H. advised him to go home that day. Brooke was innocent, and yet parents went through private polygraph testing.

I am not viewing the behavior of PF as suspicious at this point, merely cautious.

I do think that KB and PF were not in a relationship, though, or rather, it could be a "pro form" relationship covering something else, on both sides.

 

[Really?]

I’m still going with.........
If it walks like a duck.........
Quacks like a duck...........

 

[1mtroyal]

I looked at the rules for the vigil and I didn't see anything about no press. (On the Woodland police facebook page) I think it starts in 2 hours, will there be live streaming? What is the source of no press allowed?

 

[Bill Carson]

Here’s a pretty solid timeline as to how this case developed. It’s from earlier today, and I can’t find any innnacuracies in it (important considering what we’ve seen lately).

“Cheryl said she spoke with her daughter twice on Thanksgiving, including once when Kelsey needed the details of a recipe.

“Her voice was fine,” her mother said. “It was a normal day for her.”

Cheryl said her daughter did not live with her fiance, Frazee, with whom she has a 1-year-old daughter, but that they have a strong bond.

“The relationship has been good,” said Cheryl. “They’re loving.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.insideedition.com/kelsey-berreth-case-what-know-about-missing-colorado-mom-last-seen-thanksgiving-day-49154?amp

Why don't you believe CB when she says that KB and PF had a good relationship and that, "They're loving."?

 

[mistivon]

I wonder if anyone from her work tried to call her to see if she was OK.

I wonder how often she takes days off

 

[MassGuy]

Why don't you believe CB when she says that KB and PF had a good relationship and that, "They're loving."?

I believe that she believes that.

I’m just not sure it’s true, or that it’s something that she could absolutely know.

 

[Warwick7]

I am not sure of any police searches in Idaho, but our local news stations carried this information and asked the public to be on the look out and report any information.

Not exactly a strong effort. Gooding is about 2 hours from me or I would go look around. The area is fairly rural so I would expect anything out of the norm to stick out and be investigated.

Oh and to answer another posters question on other airports in the area. This is agricultural area, and there are many small airports around, even private ones, they use them for crop dusting.

On the official fb the admin stated the police in Idaho where it pinged are involved.

 

[Bill Carson]

I believe that she believes that.

I’m just not sure it’s true, or that it’s something that she could absolutely know.

Fair enough.

 

[esayer]

Has any one considered the price of avgas in Gooding? If someone was trying to make it look like she was going/went on a trip, Gooding is a good half way point between CO and her family in Washington OR Idaho (looking on a map) and perhaps had planned to make it "look like" she went there on her own accord in a plane, or with someone else, in a plane. Her phone being mailed there is not realistic given other pings, battery life etc. Not trying to be skeptical, just curious if anyone had considered that as Gooding is not a reasonable stop off of the interstate if she was traveling by car and had stopped for gas. There are gas stations in Wendell that would have made more sense to stop at if this was the case - makes no sense to otherwise travel into Gooding. JMO

Agreed!

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder how often she takes days off

Yeah. The key to understanding what may have happened, is knowing what was normal for her.

Deviations from the norm could tell us a lot.

 

[LietKynes]

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So... someone who knew her well enough to know her schedule, and be able to send a text (if it wasn't Kelsey herself) to her employer ???
A close friend of hers ?
Have any of her friends from work (or wherever) spoken publicly ?
Most people have a friend from work, or just within the social circles they may move in.
I've been wondering if anyone else close to Kelsey would know what her normal movements were like before she vanished ?

 

[JKathryn]

According to Kelsey' mom they didn't
Have the funds to buy a house together.

We don't really know why she was not reported missing earlier.

Been thinking that maybe it wasn't lack of funds but more proof of income on PF's part to get a loan. KB probably had to do that on her own. Also, he could lose his interest in the "family farm" if he upped and moved out. If he's caring for his disabled mother, this could be a decision in the best interest of their daughter's future. Coupled with the idea his mother might not have been keen on moving his baby mama in.

 

[MassGuy]

Well, Shanann Watts' mom said that Chris "absolutely loved her and the girls".....

It’s funny, there hasn’t been any revisionist history with them.

They still maintain that he was a loving husband and father, prior to the killings.

What class.

 

[Gardener1850]

The messages seem to be the same thing, repeated over and over like a script, so if she strays it jumps out to me.

Mother of missing Woodland Park woman hopes for her safe return

Toward the end of this video, CB was asked about the video of her daughter in Safeway. Before being redirected by the reporter, she spent some time discussing how she has seen a lot of comments about a baby that age being held in a carrier, how the baby was actually a lighter baby and KB was strong.

After being redirected by the reporter, she mentioned that she was very surprised to see KS’s hair wasn’t done.

I am not sure what either means, but they jumped out as unusual observations to me compared to how consistent her message has been. The hair comment could mean she would want to go home before going anywhere, but those two comments just seemed a little out of place to me.

But it could be that she is just sleep-deprived and not concentrating towards the end? Or she is being very, very careful not to say the wrong thing so she is trying hard to find other things to say?

moo!

Maybe so but the comment made by the mom about her hair not being done leads me to believe that she normally didn't go anywhere (including the grocery store) without her hair being done. It was probably just an observation by her mom but maybe her mental state wasn't good.

Yes, I think that might just be a Mom thing and an older generation thing. Recently I was visiting my 88 yr old Mom, and I was rushing out to get us some milk and bread for lunch makings. As I was leaving, My mom said 'aren't you going to change your clothes and do up your hair?' She truly looked puzzled that I was running out the door , with hair still drying from my shower, and a sweatshirt and jeans.

I had to comfort her that Albertsons had no dress code and I would be back really quickly, in time to dress for lunch. lol

I took KB's mom's comments about her hair the same way that katydid23 is thinking. And I also thought the comment about KB's hair not being done yet was because she knew her daughter had plans for dinner. I didn't take it as her mom commenting on her state of mind at all. She seemed to be just surprised she wasn't dressed up yet which made me think maybe the dinner was supposed to be in the early afternoon? Most people I know get together around 2 or 3 PM for Thanksgiving dinner. Which could mean by running to the store at 12:30, KB was cutting it close for giving herself enough time to shop and dress and do her hair. I also noted that the reporter seemed to be trying to get her mom to comment on her clothes and how the video might be helpfully to show what she was last seen wearing. I need to watch that again but I got the impression her mom avoided mentioning what she had on in the Safeway video. Perhaps the clothes in the video were found at KB's home? Which would indicate she may have gone home and changed into dressier clothing and did her hair for dinner. JMO.

 

[mistivon]

I’m still going with.........
If it walks like a duck.........
Quacks like a duck...........

Its a dog. Err duck

 

[MyBelle]

Yep, because she planned on dropping off the kid and returning, but she never returned from dropping off the kid because PF did something to her IMO

I think they exchanged the baby either at Safeway or shortly after and KB was under the impression that PF and the baby would be back later to go to dinner together or perhaps pick out a Christmas tree. There must be businesses between her home and Safeway that would show her vehicle passing by on her way home. JMO

 

[oviedo]

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the admin also posted that LE knows what groceries were purchased at Safeway FWIW so either they found the groceries and receipt or they went through the cash registers/credit or debit cards and they know what was purchased - I also believe they have video of the exit and for some very specific reason they won’t release it IMO - btw the family Facebook page is on page 1 of the media thread - it’s an interesting read

 

[iluvmua]

I think they exchanged the baby either at Safeway or shortly after and KB was under the impression that PF and the baby would be back later to go to dinner together or perhaps pick out a Christmas tree. There must be businesses between her home and Safeway that would show her vehicle passing by on her way home. JMO

That is what I am wondering, If something happened after PF left kelsey's house after picking up the baby or if she did not show up for the planned dinner with PF and child.

Jmo.

 

[oviedo]

Yes, and Kelsey worked for a company whose customers included the US Military. If she texted them on Sunday to say she wouldn't be in that week, would they be able to cover all of her classes for that week with almost no prior notice? Is there an extra instructor available or do they cancel all those classes and lose that income?
MOO

My guess is no

 

[oviedo]

The best we have is that they didn’t live together because of financial issues that had inhibited their ability to buy a home together.

-This particular explanation isn’t good enough for me.

As to why the fiancé didn’t report her missing, in the words of the police chief to the media:

“You’d have to ask him that.”

Her mom became concerned when she hadn’t heard from her daughter, and ultimately reported her missing about a week after she was last seen.

Well done Massguy