CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #3

[zecats]

From page 1 of the media thread.

DEC 3, 2018
Woodland Park police looking to locate missing 29-year-old female
"Authorities say Kelsey Berreth was last seen in at the Safeway in Woodland Park on November 22, 2018.

In a Facebook post, her brother Clint Berreth, says the only thing that was gone was her purse. He says he doesn't think she was leaving town because her suitcases, cars and makeup were still at the residence, all untouched."

So if she left voluntarily, logically she 1) left on foot, bicycle, scooter, etc. OR 2) someone else picked her up in his or her car, or 3) she was abducted by someone while on a walk, bike, etc. If 1) is true, she would be somewhere within a reasonable distance of her home. If 2) is true, who picked her up? If 3) is true, how do you explain the texts to employer and fiancé?

Yiur #1 is out in my opinion. As you said, she would be close by. As for #2- if someone she knows picked her up then is that person missing as well? And in case of #3 and an unknown person taking her, her phone was probably in her purse. Perhaps from previous texts or names of contacts person was able to select her work and the man who has her daughter to send messages to. Messages to make it look as if she went off on her own, messages to buy time to get away. Of course, she could have sent messages herself for same reason. NOT my first theory though.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Woodland Hills police need an eyewitness to something hinky regarding Patrick Frazee, so they can get a judge to sign a search warrant for the vehicles and mini ranch.
Come on, Safeway shoppers! Call the police!

 

[PommyMommy]

Public Service Announcement; Attention all fiance's ​

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
The vigil was very brief but heartfelt. Also, @PoliceWoodland Chief Miles De Young announced his department is establishing a reward for information leading to #KelseyBerreth’s discovery. Press conference to come tomorrow. @KOAA

 

[MassGuy]

Public Service Announcement; Attention all fiance's ​

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
The vigil was very brief but heartfelt. Also, @PoliceWoodland Chief Miles De Young announced his department is establishing a reward for information leading to #KelseyBerreth’s discovery. Press conference to come tomorrow. @KOAA

Alright. That press conference is definitely something to look forward to.

I hope they don’t wait until an hour before it starts, to inform the fiancé about it.

​

I look forward to hearing from him tomorrow.

 

[bestill]

Public Service Announcement; Attention all fiance's ​

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
The vigil was very brief but heartfelt. Also, @PoliceWoodland Chief Miles De Young announced his department is establishing a reward for information leading to #KelseyBerreth’s discovery. Press conference to come tomorrow. @KOAA

Alright. That press conference is definitely something to look forward to.

I hope they don’t wait until an hour before it starts, to inform the fiancé about it.

I look forward to hearing from him tomorrow. ​

Will PF be there? Hopefully someone has invited him in time.

 

[MyBelle]

I agree. I can’t get past him not reporting her missing, but I also can’t get past an acquaintance, friend, neighbor, or coworker not realizing it.

So odd.

It was a holiday weekend. We traveled to visit family and so did millions of other people. Acquaintances, friends, neighbors, coworkers all were distracted with their own lives around the holidays. I don't find that part at all unusual and that may be the intent. JMO

 

[KSinMT]

Was PF or any of his family at the vigil?

 

[Karag413]

I've been thinking about this.

Agreed, I don't know a lot about aviation by any stretch, but I've known a couple people (literally 2) who trained for their pilot's licenses. One of them, who just sought his license so he could fly recreationally, worked with a small town airstrip to get his hours. If my memory serves me right, the airfield doesn't have a staff of conventional full-time employees. Rather they have a few pilots who pick up shifts as needed to meet whatever the demand is. In light of this, it seems to me that her work situation might be more flexible than we realize. Like, is she assigned a select number of students who she can schedule as she sees fit? Does she set her own hours--take as much or as little work as she wants? If so, texting that she's not going to take shifts this week might not be as controversial as some think...

Just a thought. I'd quickly throw that out if we learned she worked 9-5 every week.

Along these lines, as I don’t know that much about aviation either. Don’t pilots have to have regular drug test? What about some type of Psych evaluation? It just seems to me; that her occupation shows great responsibility. This as we discuss the possibility of her taking off on her own as opposed foul play.

Thanks in advance for any insight.

 

[borndem]

audge86 said: ↑
The vibe I've gotten all along is that most of her family and the police do not want help solving anything. Just share her image and move along. They don't seem to want much digging done by others.

I get that feeling as well. Unless they think there's a very good possibility she left voluntarily that's not normal behavior.
jmo

Has the family received some threat or whatever involving KB? That would be odd, IMO, but weirder things have happened in "missing" persons situations. Or it just could be that this family is very private. Certainly, and more likely, they may well know something we don't and cannot or will not share it. No blame in that, IMO.

 

[borndem]

OT...but I live alone, no family in state and just three good friends here...but someone would have reported me missing within a week anyway, if I had not emailed. I just can’t get over a young mother being out of touch for so long with no one freaking out. Anyway...jmo

..................^^^ this ^^^

 

[scdiv]

Can anyone think of a case where someone disappeared voluntarily due to mental illness but also made an effort to text her place of employment to say she wouldn't be in for a week and text her significant other? I can't think of one. All the cases I know of where someone walked away willingly or committed suicide they acted like nothing was wrong and then just disappeared. They usually don't bother to cancel future plans or give a time line of when they might be back (1 week). Because once they have decided to do what they are going to do nothing else matters. And it always leave a wake of "whys" on the part of loved ones because there was no goodbye, no closure. Suicide notes are actually very rare. And I think most people who struggle with depression do not want to give anyone an impression something is wrong or leave any breadcrumbs like that type of text would leave. JMO.

I can't recall any specific cases, but I'm wondering if LE or the family felt like Kelsey was just hiding out, there would be more strategic public appeals with a different tone. More of a, "We just want to hear from you, everyone loves you and wants you to come home, we know this was out of your control, you're not in any trouble, your daughter loves you, we can work through this" etc etc etc. More of her family in front of the cameras (the family said more members of the family were present at the press conference, but only Mom spoke), etc. But more of an emphasis that is reassuring that she's loved, no one is mad, we'll get through it together, etc. I don't know - jmo.

 

[Gardener1850]

Yep, if that was her only source of income.

But right now, I'm not sure if we know--for example...

--If her family was wealthy and helped her buy the house
--If she worked a second job
--If the fiancé paid child support and/or underwrote her expenses bc he, at one time, planned to live in the house there with her (maybe once his mom got on her feet after alleged health issues?)

Her parents are retired hay farmers.

She does not have a second job-- her mom said she worked long hours and long weeks and she commuted 70 miles to Pueblo for work. Several flight instructors have weighed in on this thread and said long hours/6 or 7 day weeks would be required to make any decent money at a career like this. It doesn't sound like part time is an option for this line of work.

I have not seen anything about child support but it was said by Kelsey's mom that PF had trouble making enough money due to the price of cattle dropping. And that was the main reason they had not gotten married yet. They were looking for a place to buy together but her didn't have the money. Kelsey, on the other hand, bought her own 2 bedroom townhome (in her name only) in May of this year. PF's family ranch is only 35 acres, so that is not a lot of cattle. It seems like Kelsey might make more money and if anyone paid child support it might be her. PF also took care of the baby while she worked. But we don't know if they had any child support arrangements or any legal custody agreement at all-- they may have simply worked out a schedule that worked for them.

MOO.

 

[Penny4YourThoughts]

Yep, if that was her only source of income.

But right now, I'm not sure if we know--for example...

--If her family was wealthy and helped her buy the house
--If she worked a second job
--If the fiancé paid child support and/or underwrote her expenses bc he, at one time, planned to live in the house there with her (maybe once his mom got on her feet after alleged health issues?)

Does anyone else recall early mention that she also worked at Starbucks?

 

[Esma]

I have to wonder did someone else fly her out of Pueblo between 22nd-25th against her will? A coworker or someone at her job with a grudge or an obsession over her? How did her phone get to Gooding Idaho to ping. Now that we know Gooding has a small airport.

 

[alucardsdream]

Along these lines, as I don’t know that much about aviation either. Don’t pilots have to have regular drug test? What about some type of Psych evaluation? It just seems to me; that her occupation shows great responsibility. This as we discuss the possibility of her taking off on her own as opposed foul play.

Thanks in advance for any insight.

Pilots do have to have regular medical exams and mental health evaluations in order to have current medical certificate which is required to fly. I'm in the process of getting my private license right now, but KB has a commercial one which I believe has more stringent requirements. As for drug testing, I guess it would depend on her employer if they do random testing or not. Some just do it as part of the hiring process.

Here's the link: I was automatically signed in to the site with my license number but I don't think you have to be to see it.
Medical Certification

 

[castilloisno1]

Can anyone think of a case where someone disappeared voluntarily due to mental illness but also made an effort to text her place of employment to say she wouldn't be in for a week and text her significant other? I can't think of one. All the cases I know of where someone walked away willingly or committed suicide they acted like nothing was wrong and then just disappeared. They usually don't bother to cancel future plans or give a time line of when they might be back (1 week). Because once they have decided to do what they are going to do nothing else matters. And it always leave a wake of "whys" on the part of loved ones because there was no goodbye, no closure. Suicide notes are actually very rare. And I think most people who struggle with depression do not want to give anyone an impression something is wrong or leave any breadcrumbs like that type of text would leave. JMO.

I agree with you....I remember the poor woman from Maine who was a teacher on that island...I don't think that she called in for a substitute teacher......what I remember from her case was that she ended up leaving in the middle of the night and then took her life....

 

[Kapua]

I am not buying that a woman with TWO cars just decided spur-of-the-moment to voluntarily walk away from her life - on foot. MOO.

 

[Esma]

I am not buying that a woman with TWO cars just decided spur-of-the-moment to voluntarily walk away from her life - on foot. MOO.

Without anything.

 

[KSinMT]

From Twitter local news reporter:

Kelsey’s fiancé Patrick was not present at tonight’s vigil. Again his attorney told us he is cooperating with police and WPPD has said they don’t have any suspects.
6:29 PM · Dec 13, 2018 from Woodland Park, CO · Twitter for iPhone

Wow. This is incredibly sad.

 

[Jennifer17]

Does anyone else recall early mention that she also worked at Starbucks?

No, this is the first that I have heard of that.