CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #30 *ARREST*

[Trudie]

BUT during the course of a criminal investigation which is what this is, can anything the person being asked the questions, can their answers be used in a court of law? If in fact they are in there for mental stress and possibly drugged out?
That is my main question, not if the police can have access to the patient.

I think not. Not if under the care of some type of physician. Bc, he could testify to the side effects of the drug. Mental confusion, lethargy, etc. jmo

 

[Trudie]

We've only heard 2nd/3rd hand gossip that they are romantically linked. Could just be Ride or Die buddies, not banging each other.

The majority of the romantic link is from the R interview. But the R interview is hinky/suspect at best to many people here. So why are parts of it taken as gospel, but parts are ignored?

More will be revealed, imo.
Could be”ride or revenge”, too.

 

[Esma]

You’ve strongly implied in several posts that your theory is that PF and KK were not romantically linked and they were only linked through a 3rd party who might have bought a dog from PF. (Based on a photo you came across on the internet). Good theory however I’m curious how this precludes the romantic involvement. Would like to explore your theory more, could you help me understand your basis for the no romantic link thinking? TIA

A girl can have more than one theory I have 2. Theory 1 has no romantic involvement, Theory 2 does.

 

[UnicornDragon]

More will be revealed, imo.
Could be”ride or revenge”, too.

It's just, right now, with known evidence, there about a dozen or more theories it can be. So got me on who did what and who banged who.

 

[mrstfs]

A girl can have more than one theory I have 2. Theory 1 has no romantic involvement, Theory 2 does.

Yep, fair enough! I was hoping you would elaborate on theory 1 ;-)

 

[Esma]

Since we're all just speculating... could be that she connected with him, as an adult, possibly while still married, on the root of all evil, Facebook. Messaging may have led to trips to Colorado (before and/or after divorce). In the men time, he's involved with Kelsey and has a child.

Or like I mentioned earlier, he roped both women on farmersonly site and was doing some juggling. If RODEO was mentioned in profiles, it would be a point of attraction and compatibility, just sayin'.

 

[Esma]

Yep, fair enough! I was hoping you would elaborate on theory 1 ;-)

I wish I could too, but can't think of a way without violating TOS to do so.

 

[Trudie]

I don’t sway easily & I don’t expect anyone to sway.
IMO, there has been a lot of posts about P that are unfounded.
I’ve not found any evidence he’s destitute & desperately needs money, that he must live with his mom because he has no money, for example.
All of us with horses love our farrier. If you have a horse with hoof problems, you have nothing.
IMO, a farrier has unlimited income potential, once he establishes his biz.
The abuse allegations....well, visit a dude ranch, see what goes on. How you think a 2y.o. Colt gets broke in one day, advertised “anyone can ride, no experience needed”. Not because a cowboy fed him Sugar cubes and rubbed his nose. Jmo

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I don’t think she did this alone at all. She and PF were in this together. Or he would be screaming...why would he stay quiet to protect KK and let someone else raise his daughter?

I don't either. I think they were in it together.
It's just easier for KK to throw him under the bus. She has enough idiot mouth pieces spewing Maneur for her.
While he remains quiet,and let's his lawyers gather info the whole time.
The right to remain silent works better if one can keep their yapper shut.
If he goes down he won't go down alone.
MOO

 

[Irmese]

And even if they met during high school at a little rodeo team event, it doesn't change the fact that they both still lived 700 miles apart their whole lives up to current. She has gone to college, married, divorced, had kids. How does a bond 700 miles away have 'a hold on her' after a few high school road trips 16 years ago? This one takes the cake.

AFAIK, PF has never married. If they met as teens and she thought he was the love of her life, why did she marry someone else? Why was she living apart from him? They might be friends with benefits, just get together for a little fun when they run into one another at rodeos. MOO.

 

[Artis]

I was caught off guard by some really interesting similarities between this case and another that was reported on extensively in the Magic Valley Newspaper (TF, ID) back in 2009. Read the whole thing and I think you’ll see what mean. (I don’t believe the 2009 case dragged on long enough to be tracked here. Or, at least, I didn’t find it.)

Woolsey gets at least six months in prison

Holy cow, look who her attorney was!

 

[Trudie]

I wish I could too, but can't think of a way without violating TOS to do so.

Ditto. Thinking........

I do believe she was in KBs home when the murder was committed. Right now I still believe PF committed the murder but I sure think she could have helped, maybe with some type of drug. Maybe she is sick enough to want to see KB tortured. Maybe she and KB had words before. But what a sicko PF is if he actually asked her to commit the murder. Look, LE isn’t talking. But are we sure he solicited KK three times? Maybe he solicited someone else and when they said no, he turned to her. We don’t know if people are talking to LE or where KK is. But we do know people are talking to each other. This case gets weirder. Maybe it’s because we are told absolutely nothing.

I do agree she is guilty of more than stealing a phone and disposing of it.

LNF~we don’t truly know he solicited her once. We can assume she has some type of evidence that incriminated him. How did she get that evidence?
Are we to think he texted or left VM? Maybe.
Did anyone besides P have access to his devices?

 

[Charlot123]

The timing of KB entering the picture,and having a baby with PF, along with the timing of KK divorce. KK holding a torch for PF the whole time she was married. Then KK stays living with ex,for the children's sake. Yeah. Right.
Wonder why PF feels railroaded.
Easy to play the damsel in destress,and throw PF under the bus. While clinging ever so tightly to the Perfect Rodeo Queen Crown. Make it look it was all his idea,and his idea only.
The whole time seething with jealousy, over the new baby Mama,bucking her off.
MOO.

OK maybe she was more involved. Maybe she was putting ideas into his head. KK being more involved does not make PF less involved. PF is not thrown under the bus. PF is the key, the lifeline, to Kelsey. He was her closest person in Colorado. Family is far away. Some rodeo nurse from Idaho, still, is connected to PF, not to Kelsey.

 

[mrstfs]

Ditto. Thinking........


LNF~we don’t truly know he solicited her once. We can assume she has some type of evidence that incriminated him. How did she get that evidence?
Are we to think he texted or left VM? Maybe.
Did anyone besides P have access to his devices?

Or emails. I saw this case the other day, emails sent to frame someone for a crime.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jtes/michelle-hadley-ian-diaz-angela-framed

 

[SoVeryMe]

BUT during the course of a criminal investigation which is what this is, can anything the person being asked the questions, can their answers be used in a court of law? If in fact they are in there for mental stress and possibly drugged out?
That is my main question, not if the police can have access to the patient.

I don’t believe an individual in an inpatient psychiatric facility can be questioned by LE without a lawyer or patient advocate present especially in a heavily medicated state. I would assume LE wouldn’t even take that risk as any future testimony could be questioned. However, when I worked as an ER nurse we would constantly have to intervene in police to patient questioning unless cleared by the physician. Those were usually DUI related and “minor” criminal cases. In my state a psychiatrist has 72 hours to determine if a patient is a threat to themselves or others before deciding whether to continue inpatient treatment or discharge from care. I don’t think it’s feasible that KK would still be in a inpatient treatment facility after this length of time. IMO If she has an much information and or involvement as it appears I am guessing she is in some type of custody, whether protective or under house arrest. MOO

 

[InvSmith]

Idk the relationship between KB and her mom. I told my mom nothing, she asked nothing.
IMO, IF KK intruded in P & KB’s relationship, KB confided in someone....mom, bro, BIL, gf? And, of course they would not have mentioned KK. They would not want her to know, they knew.
The mere fact that allegedly KK involved herself, is revealing, imo. IMO, KK hasn’t aged well. She looks absolutely nothing like she did only ten years ago. IF
she loves P, omg, he peed her off to the nth degree. He had a baby with a new love interest.
Things we’ve heard, thus far, leads me to think KK a bit of a stalker. Someone that can’t let go of P.

Entertain this idea.....KK desperately wishes for a monogamous relationship with P. P’s been slipping away, busy with his baby, always has an excuse. KK is relentless.
P finally tells her “it ain’t happening”, KK might immediately blame KB. If KB hadn’t had that baby, hadn’t moved here, he’d be mine. IF KK wanted to be with P Thanksgiving but he tells her, “I’ll have my daughter, I’m picking her up at one-ish, for dinner.” KK would know, KB is in town & will be home. Speculation o LE.

Aside: I don’t think KB intended to go to P’s for Thanksgiving. I think she may have implied she would not be alone, not wanting her mom to be sad for her or question her on her relationship status. Jmo
(Last year, I went to family holiday dinner with my date. It was the longest, most brutal day of my life. I’d rather have wisdom teeth pulled w/o anesthesia, too many questions,
Iykwim). I also find nothing unusual abt not celebrating Thanksgiving. My neighbor did laundry, had clothes on the clothesline and her husband seeded the lawn. People celebrate how they like.

As far as we know, P has no other children, correct?

Raised two grown sons and still need to know when the arrive at a destination and return from a trip. It is a built in safety measure not a control measure. They know if we don't hear from them alarms will start. This usually a quick text. I would think CB was this way with a flight instructor/pilot daughter.

 

[Irmese]

We all perceive things differently. Nothing wrong with that.
Speculating, I will not be surprised to learn KK contacted KB more than once, claiming P belonged to her. If so, I hope KB told her mom there was a third party in her relationship with P. It will surprise me none to learn CB heard of KK, more than once.
IMO, KK loves P enough...,to kill for him.

We have a little common ground. I think that KB did know KK. IMO, she would have been introduced as a longtime friend of PF's. I still believe that PF planned the whole thing, which he wanted to look like a robbery. He did the murder and KK took the phone and purse. The two of them cleaned it up together. I doubt if KK could move the body by herself. I know everyone is jumping on the R's, but to me, the BFF was hearing the story right from the horse's mouth. She should have called LE if she believed KK.
ETA MOO.

 

[Trudie]

We have a little common ground. I think that KB did know KK. IMO, she would have been introduced as a longtime friend of PF's. I still believe that PF planned the whole thing, which he wanted to look like a robbery. He did the murder and KK took the phone and purse. The two of them cleaned it up together. I doubt if KK could move the body by herself. I know everyone is jumping on the R's, but to me, the BFF was hearing the story right from the horse's mouth. She should have called LE if she believed KK.

At times, I agree with you 200%! I waiver. Because we know little.
Seems like KK is trying to cover her butt. IMO or have her bff cover it.
KK looks to me that she can carry a bale in each hand. She’s a fairly good sized woman, imo. Bet her strength would surprise you.
Here’s my thing, if P was hell bent to murder or have someone murder KB, he knows cowboys that he could have recruited, surely. One cd have rolled into town, and right back out, to parts unknown. Eliminating the blabber mouth, bff & the R's. Once you get to WY & MT, there’s a lot of itinerant cowboys. They are rough & tough,imo.
I’ve considered he wanted both gone. KB dead, KK in prison.
I also know if someone puts you at the scene of a crime, you’re pretty much there, in the eyes of LE.
If KK is as I think she is, FBI/LE slaughtered her during interviews. And, she is “temporarily” unavailable to ”put her hands behind her back”.

 

[Artis]

Or like I mentioned earlier, he roped both women on farmersonly site and was doing some juggling. If RODEO was mentioned in profiles, it would be a point of attraction and compatibility, just sayin'.

True, though I mentioned FB because of the story that rodeo queen knows him from way back and lots of people re-connect with people from their past through that site. Did he have a FB page, do you know?

 

[Trudie]

I don’t believe an individual in an inpatient psychiatric facility can be questioned by LE without a lawyer or patient advocate present especially in a heavily medicated state. I would assume LE wouldn’t even take that risk as any future testimony could be questioned. However, when I worked as an ER nurse we would constantly have to intervene in police to patient questioning unless cleared by the physician. Those were usually DUI related and “minor” criminal cases. In my state a psychiatrist has 72 hours to determine if a patient is a threat to themselves or others before deciding whether to continue inpatient treatment or discharge from care. I don’t think it’s feasible that KK would still be in a inpatient treatment facility after this length of time. IMO If she has an much information and or involvement as it appears I am guessing she is in some type of custody, whether protective or under house arrest. MOO

Ty. If a patient won’t eat, sobs 24/7 or is at high risk of suicide, they stay as long as needed. Our jails lack 24/7 staff to accommodate high risk persons.
Here, all one has to express to his doctor is “I’m killing myself.” Oh, okay stay another few days......
No way LE wants her dead. She has info, she’s at the very least, a witness.
I fail to see where any player needs “protection”. the one that did is deceased. IMO, protection is putting her in jail if she committed a crime.