CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #30 *ARREST*

[Artis]

I don’t sway easily & I don’t expect anyone to sway.
IMO, there has been a lot of posts about P that are unfounded.
I’ve not found any evidence he’s destitute & desperately needs money, that he must live with his mom because he has no money, for example.
All of us with horses love our farrier. If you have a horse with hoof problems, you have nothing.
IMO, a farrier has unlimited income potential, once he establishes his biz.
The abuse allegations....well, visit a dude ranch, see what goes on. How you think a 2y.o. Colt gets broke in one day, advertised “anyone can ride, no experience needed”. Not because a cowboy fed him Sugar cubes and rubbed his nose. Jmo

It was another horse person who accused him of animal abuse and, if it's true, there's no excuse for it, even if others do it.

That may be true that he could make a lot of money in his field but, I'll bet, he couldn't afford a ranch like Ma has and he also had built in child care services. I would guess he's pretty set up at that ranch, too, in terms of his business. If he had complete freedom, 38 acres and money in his pocket, why move? I don't think there was indication he intended to live with Kelsey and the baby, in their own home. Oh, and, btw, Kelsey's mom said they'd delayed getting married and living together because he had some financial setbacks due to a poor economy. He may have used that excuse with Kelsey but I'm not buying it. If it was just money, he could have moved into Kelsey's townhouse and worked at the ranch but he chose to live there because he was dug in and had it good, imho.

 

[Trudie]

I don't either. I think they were in it together.
It's just easier for KK to throw him under the bus. She has enough idiot mouth pieces spewing Maneur for her.
While he remains quiet,and let's his lawyers gather info the whole time.
The right to remain silent works better if one can keep their yapper shut.
If he goes down he won't go down alone.
MOO

Ita. As much as everyone criticizes him, he’s a dream client for an atty.
I think the next news flash we have might put things in a whole new light.
Maybe not.
I don’t care if I’m way off base. I’m not of herd mentality.
It humors me to read “there’s somebon here implying P is innocent”, like someone that disagirees with their theory is a criminal.
I don’t believe K was slaughtered, disposed of in blacksmith equipment or dumped in a mine & I sure don’t think she’s on P’s land. I can believe what I choose until facts are released.

Mrsfs, it happens all the time! The framing you just posted.

Also, I don’t have a motive for P to need KB dead. I’ve not read a motive that made one iota of sense, to me. He had ample time with the baby. If broke, do more horses. Simple.

Artis~Yes, I know another horse owner turned him in (the rasping event).
I’m in horse country. We call that “squaring up”. It hurts the horse none. Now, take the same rasp to a kitten, yea, abuse. There’s a saying, “before a horse kills you, he’ll warn you”. They have to be taught. They are huge, powerful animals. If not corrected for bad habits, the owner has a deadly weapon. IMO

 

[Artis]

We have a little common ground. I think that KB did know KK. IMO, she would have been introduced as a longtime friend of PF's. I still believe that PF planned the whole thing, which he wanted to look like a robbery. He did the murder and KK took the phone and purse. The two of them cleaned it up together. I doubt if KK could move the body by herself. I know everyone is jumping on the R's, but to me, the BFF was hearing the story right from the horse's mouth. She should have called LE if she believed KK.
ETA MOO.

^^THIS

 

[The Saint]

We can't rule out that KK flew down to Florissant for the Thanksgiving holiday instead of driving her car for 11 hours. Maybe she rode down with someone. She possibly did not drive herself back up to ID.

She has family near Florissant. We don't know whether she was making multiple trips from ID just to see PF.

There are many possibilities as to the "hold" that PF had over KK:
1. Love
2. Drugs - which would cost her her nursing license and perhaps she would lose her kids
3. Stealing drugs from the hospital
4. Selling drugs
3. Money
4. Gambling debts
5. Loyalty
6. Involvement in illegal activities alone or in tandem w/ PF or others
7. Horse insurance scams
8. Horse doping
9. Prostitution
10. Being the Madam for a prostitution ring
11. Embezzlement
12. Paternity of one of her kids -- could PF be the real dad?
13. Jealousy of KB and/or baby girl
14. Burglary or robbery
15. Shoplifting
16. Elder or child abuse
17. Having an affair w/ a married co-worker such as a doctor
18. Fixing rodeo competitions
19. Tax evasion
20. Lying about the lineage of the horses they were selling
21. Swindling elderly patients she met at the hospital

There are many more possibilities...

IMO MOO

 

[mrstfs]

True, though I mentioned FB because of the story that rodeo queen knows him from way back and lots of people re-connect with people from their past through that site. Did he have a FB page, do you know?

He has a FB page. His friends list is private. She wasn’t listed as any friend who liked any of his public posts but she could’ve been friends still. (Checked it prior to her deleting her FB.)

 

[UnicornDragon]

I don’t sway easily & I don’t expect anyone to sway.
IMO, there has been a lot of posts about P that are unfounded.
I’ve not found any evidence he’s destitute & desperately needs money, that he must live with his mom because he has no money, for example.
All of us with horses love our farrier. If you have a horse with hoof problems, you have nothing.
IMO, a farrier has unlimited income potential, once he establishes his biz.
The abuse allegations....well, visit a dude ranch, see what goes on. How you think a 2y.o. Colt gets broke in one day, advertised “anyone can ride, no experience needed”. Not because a cowboy fed him Sugar cubes and rubbed his nose. Jmo

Just to point out the obvious. My bomb proof Perch mix who my toddler can ride gets a knock on every trim because he's a lazy brat who will take to leaning. Go ahead and give him a good knock so we don't have a squashed farrier. Tool or hand, which ever you can do. Horse remembers oh yeah, I stand like a good boy. Until he goes Nah, I'm lazy, let's lean yet again.

A good cow BC will work both ends and fairly aggressively. That's rather what they should do.

 

[Esma]

True, though I mentioned FB because of the story that rodeo queen knows him from way back and lots of people re-connect with people from their past through that site. Did he have a FB page, do you know?

I don’t know if he has/had a FB

 

[Snow Flower]

I still do not think KB knew about KK. I feel like he was playing them both! MOO.

 

[NCTeacher]

I’ve been thinking about “the hold” PF allegedly had on KK, and I think others have mentioned this, but what if that hold were a child?

What if the reason KK did not report PF threatening about “children disappearing from playgrounds” and possibly harm to her child/children is because....

I have a hard time buying this. I'm the same exact age as these two (KK and PF), and also a mother. I would be inclined to change my child's school/daycare, notify teachers, notify police, change my number, possibly move residences or towns, but I would NOT participate in a MURDER as a way to protect my child from possibly being abducted. Further, if someone (PF) is capable of murdering an innocent woman and abducting my child (in the case of KK) off a playground---when will he stop? Will he kill me?

It would be a bit more believable if he HAD abducted her child, was holding her at knifepoint, ordered KK down to CO, and forced her to take the phone in order to release her child. In which case, she could take the phone straight to the police, tell them what just went down, and watch him go off to jail, and later prison, for the rest of his natural life. That I would do for my child, right after I called police to stake out the place.

 

[Artis]

At times, I agree with you 200%! I waiver. Because we know little.
Seems like KK is trying to cover her butt. IMO or have her bff cover it.
KK looks to me that she can carry a bale in each hand. She’s a fairly good sized woman, imo. Bet her strength would surprise you.
Here’s my thing, if P was hell bent to murder or have someone murder KB, he knows cowboys that he could have recruited, surely. One cd have rolled into town, and right back out, to parts unknown. Eliminating the blabber mouth, bff & the R's. Once you get to WY & MT, there’s a lot of itinerant cowboys. They are rough & tough,imo.
I’ve considered he wanted both gone. KB dead, KK in prison.
I also know if someone puts you at the scene of a crime, you’re pretty much there, in the eyes of LE.
If KK is as I think she is, FBI/LE slaughtered her during interviews. And, she is “temporarily” unavailable to ”put her hands behind her back”.

Wow, that would be quite the plan - use one woman you don't want to get rid of the other one you don't want. Sounds like a movie script.

I still think you're overlooking the fact that is he who is in jail. Just from the fact that RQ (rodeo queen) had Kelsey's phone you'd think she'd be in really hot water and arrested but he's the one behind bars. That makes me think they have some kind of evidence putting him at the scene of the crime, which they don't have with RQ (otherwise, would her butt not be in jail, too?).

 

[NoeticSoul]

We can't rule out that KK flew down to Florissant for the Thanksgiving holiday instead of driving her car for 11 hours. Maybe she rode down with someone. She possibly did not drive herself back up to ID.

She has family near Florissant who own a dude ranch. We don't know whether she was making multiple trips from ID just to see PF.

There are many possibilities as to the "hold" that PF had over KK:
1. Love
2. Drugs - which would cost her her nursing license and perhaps she would lose her kids
3. Stealing drugs from the hospital
4. Selling drugs
3. Money
4. Gambling debts
5. Loyalty
6. Involvement in illegal activities alone or in tandem w/ PF or others
7. Horse insurance scams
8. Horse doping
9. Prostitution
10. Being the Madam for a prostitution ring
11. Embezzlement
12. Paternity of one of her kids -- could PF be the real dad?
13. Jealousy of KB and/or baby girl
14. Burglary or robbery
15. Shoplifting
16. Elder or child abuse
17. Having an affair w/ a married co-worker such as a doctor
18. Fixing rodeo competitions
19. Tax evasion
20. Lying about the lineage of the horses they were selling
21. Swindling elderly patients she met at the hospital

There are many more possibilities...

IMO MOO

bbm KK has family near Florissant and they have a ranch? I must have missed that somewhere.

 

[v0x]

Wow, that would be quite the plan - use one woman you don't want to get rid of the other one you don't want. Sounds like a movie script.

I still think you're overlooking the fact that is he who is in jail. Just from the fact that RQ (rodeo queen) had Kelsey's phone you'd think she'd be in really hot water and arrested but he's the one behind bars. That makes me think they have some kind of evidence putting him at the scene of the crime, which they don't have with RQ (otherwise, would her butt not be in jail, too?).

RQ for her now? Lol don’t we already have enough initials for her already? KK, KL, KLK, IN...

 

[Artis]

I don’t believe an individual in an inpatient psychiatric facility can be questioned by LE without a lawyer or patient advocate present especially in a heavily medicated state. I would assume LE wouldn’t even take that risk as any future testimony could be questioned. However, when I worked as an ER nurse we would constantly have to intervene in police to patient questioning unless cleared by the physician. Those were usually DUI related and “minor” criminal cases. In my state a psychiatrist has 72 hours to determine if a patient is a threat to themselves or others before deciding whether to continue inpatient treatment or discharge from care. I don’t think it’s feasible that KK would still be in a inpatient treatment facility after this length of time. IMO If she has an much information and or involvement as it appears I am guessing she is in some type of custody, whether protective or under house arrest. MOO

That makes sense, to me. One can only hide in a hospital for so long. Remember that NYC nanny who murdered the two kids? She also sliced her throat, was found unconscious, hospitalized, had surgery to save her life and she was still grilled by detectives in the hospital bed and went down for the crime when well enough.

 

[Irmese]

Ita. As much as everyone criticizes him, he’s a dream client for an atty.
I think the next news flash we have might put things in a whole new light.

Also, I don’t have a motive for P to need KB dead. I’ve not read a motive that made one iota of sense, to me. He had ample time with the baby.

Having seen numerous custody battles and narrowly avoiding one myself, I can say that a lot of people fight for sole custody not because they want to spend more time with the child, but to hurt the other partner and to avoid paying child support. I believe KB allowed PF ample time with the child, but he and others were spreading rumors about KB and their relationship. I think he felt that he would not win a custody battle and I think that was because KB was doing everything right. She had a steady job and provided a nice home. Most likely, PF was under-reporting his income for years because he probably dealt in cash much of the time. To get entangled in a custody battle might reveal some underhanded accounting related to him and all of his businesses. Since the ranchette wasn't his, any legal shenanigans might also affect SF, too. I think that PF knew he would look like a loser if he went to court for custody. MOO, JMO, etc.

 

[OldLadyBlues]

The station will not run an interview if LE requests they don't run it. LE also may have asked to see the interview ahead of time or the station may have offered it beforehand and edited out whatever LE asked them to edit. JMO

Especially if the LE in this case is the FBI.

 

[Irmese]

We've only heard 2nd/3rd hand gossip that they are romantically linked. Could just be Ride or Die buddies, not banging each other.

The majority of the romantic link is from the R interview. But the R interview is hinky/suspect at best to many people here. So why are parts of it taken as gospel, but parts are ignored?

ITA. At the same time, the engagement of PF and KB has been questioned, but his romantic involvement with KK is third-hand information that is being accepted as gospel.

 

[Herat]

We can't rule out that KK flew down to Florissant for the Thanksgiving holiday instead of driving her car for 11 hours. Maybe she rode down with someone. She possibly did not drive herself back up to ID.

She has family near Florissant who own a dude ranch. We don't know whether she was making multiple trips from ID just to see PF.

There are many possibilities as to the "hold" that PF had over KK:
1. Love
2. Drugs - which would cost her her nursing license and perhaps she would lose her kids
3. Stealing drugs from the hospital
4. Selling drugs
3. Money
4. Gambling debts
5. Loyalty
6. Involvement in illegal activities alone or in tandem w/ PF or others
7. Horse insurance scams
8. Horse doping
9. Prostitution
10. Being the Madam for a prostitution ring
11. Embezzlement
12. Paternity of one of her kids -- could PF be the real dad?
13. Jealousy of KB and/or baby girl
14. Burglary or robbery
15. Shoplifting
16. Elder or child abuse
17. Having an affair w/ a married co-worker such as a doctor
18. Fixing rodeo competitions
19. Tax evasion
20. Lying about the lineage of the horses they were selling
21. Swindling elderly patients she met at the hospital

There are many more possibilities...

IMO MOO

The information about KK’s family owing a dude ranch has not been reported before. Are you sure this is the correct person? There is a KK who is an RN who lives in Canon City, CO who is not at all related to the KK from Twin Falls ID.

Please made sure your information is correct and not just from sleuthing a completely innocent person and family

 

[Artis]

Ita. As much as everyone criticizes him, he’s a dream client for an atty.
I think the next news flash we have might put things in a whole new light.
Maybe not.
I don’t care if I’m way off base. I’m not of herd mentality.
It humors me to read “there’s somebon here implying P is innocent”, like someone that disagirees with their theory is a criminal.
I don’t believe K was slaughtered, disposed of in blacksmith equipment or dumped in a mine & I sure don’t think she’s on P’s land. I can believe what I choose until facts are released.

Mrsfs, it happens all the time! The framing you just posted.

Also, I don’t have a motive for P to need KB dead. I’ve not read a motive that made one iota of sense, to me. He had ample time with the baby. If broke, do more horses. Simple.

Artis~Yes, I know another horse owner turned him in (the rasping event).
I’m in horse country. We call that “squaring up”. It hurts the horse none. Now, take the same rasp to a kitten, yea, abuse. There’s a saying, “before a horse kills you, he’ll warn you”. They have to be taught. They are huge, powerful animals. If not corrected for bad habits, the owner has a deadly weapon. IMO

I think it's good you have your own theories and think for yourself.

As for the animal abuse, the other horse guy also mentioned dogs and the horse trailer being flipped when Frazee lost his temper. That's a lot more than a poke with a rasp. I made note of all that because I'm animal lover and abuse of animals is a massive red flag of a character disorder.

 

[Irmese]

It was another horse person who accused him of animal abuse and, if it's true, there's no excuse for it, even if others do it.

That may be true that he could make a lot of money in his field but, I'll bet, he couldn't afford a ranch like Ma has and he also had built in child care services. I would guess he's pretty set up at that ranch, too, in terms of his business. If he had complete freedom, 38 acres and money in his pocket, why move? I don't think there was indication he intended to live with Kelsey and the baby, in their own home. Oh, and, btw, Kelsey's mom said they'd delayed getting married and living together because he had some financial setbacks due to a poor economy. He may have used that excuse with Kelsey but I'm not buying it. If it was just money, he could have moved into Kelsey's townhouse and worked at the ranch but he chose to live there because he was dug in and had it good, imho.

Exactly. If he had wanted to be with KB, or KK for that matter, why didn't he build a house on the ranchette?
edited to add MOO.

 

[Herat]

bbm KK has family near Florissant and they have a ranch? I must have missed that somewhere.

I think it’s more likely to be the wrong person.

This is why WS info really needs to be verified and not cause potential harm to another person and family