CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #32 *ARREST*

[Seattle1]

Good point. A half hour seems like a long time to gather a diaper bag, a baby and a car seat. Wonder how long he would normally park to get the baby to watch while Kelsey was working in the past?

I believe the neighbor's reference was an estimate of the time frame 12:30-1pm, and not duration. MOO

 

[tmar]

I firmly believe this. PF was all about control.
He could have easily parked in another empty space in front of the condo or in back. He was blocking her, so she wouldn't be able to escape him.

Or he placed his truck, in that position, so if a body was carried between her two cars into his, it would not be noticed.
MOO.

 

[Bill Carson]

Weather in Woodland Park today. Hope they made it to the landfill before the weather!!!!

Yeah, it's pretty ugly out my window, too. I wonder if the press is still sitting outside the landfill gate? LOL. Actually, when I went to bed last night, the forecast for snow had dropped to thirty or forty percent, and I thought that the weather would turn out nice and LE would prove me wrong on my prediction about them not starting the landfill search today. But no---it's turning out to be a pretty good snow event today, although as you can see by the attached map, it depends on where you are. That's always the thing about weather up here---hard to predict and highly dependent on location.

I'm learning more about how the media works in high-profile cases like this. Seeing those news trucks lined up at the landfill gate yesterday makes me realize how easy it is for LE to manipulate the media. I'm not suggesting they have bad motives in this, the media can really get in the way of an investigation, I am sure. If, for example, LE wanted to go back to a location to search again, and they didn't want anyone to see what they were looking at, all they have to do is suggest that something might be happening somewhere else. (I am not suggesting that LE searched anywhere yesterday, so please no yellow bicycle rumors.)

Oh, also I wanted to mention that when I posted about when LE might start to search the landfill, I forgot that this was a long weekend, with a holiday on Monday. I kind of doubt that, given a choice, LE would want to start searching on a long weekend. But we will see....

 

[tmar]

Because PF isn't talking, and all we're hearing about right now is KK, people are focused on her responsibility in this crime, but it in no way pulls any guilt off PF. KK wasn't in a relationship with PF, KK didn't malign KB's character and parenting all over town and KK didn't plan and seek KB's death. No one will forget how callous PF was to the Berreth family as they worried about whether KB was alive or dead, no one will forget that he refused to allow them to see that little baby and they'll also not forget his callous behavior in not even attending one press conference or even expressing concern for KB. So they haven't shifted the blame, they're just adding another set of blame to another person.

You have summarized PF's callous behaviour.
PF is guilty, as he sits back, perhaps not admitting to anything.
Now we have KK's actions to add to this murder.
MOO.

 

[Artis]

Just adding, we're also not friends or family of PF and therefore not bound by emotion to buy his baloney. Interesting how those speaking in MSM for PF don't extend that same presumption of innocence to the Berreths. Even if Kelsey dumped her baby on the father and he was left to care for her, that does not warrant the taking of her life. Even if they had broken it off in January, that doesn't warrant the taking of her life. That's why I've said before, when you cut through all the rumors PF put out there, it doesn't matter because it doesn't absolve him of planning Kelsey's murder for months and eventually killing her. I don't care if they broke up in January last year, or on Thanksgiving day or whether they ever had a relationship beyond a one night stand, he had no right to deprive an otherwise healthy young vibrant woman the right to a fulfilling life and the right of that baby to know her mother.
So if presumption means that all we can believe is what PF spread around town, then I'd call that blind ignorance because that same presumption applies to what has been said by KB's family and friends as well.

While I think PF & KKL conspired to kill Kelsey, that his circle of friends and acquaintances can't believe it doesn't indicate that any of them think Kelsey Berreth deserved to be murdered or that they don't have concern and compassion for her or her family. They simply cannot imagine that this guy they think they know could do such a thing. If the prosecution has a good case, they'll come to terms with it.

 

[Printcess]

Okay, so I am new here and have been lurking for a bit. I have to say that the way people talk about KK is frustrating, imo. From what I can gather she is a garbage person, who at the very least helped hide evidence, but who cares if she is fat, ugly, etc? I feel like this always gets piled on women... She was jealous of her lover's wife. Okay, I get you... but why bring her appearance into it? She was jealous because her lover was with someone else... I bet she would be just as jealous if she weighed 110.

Sorry, my first post was a tangent. It just feels sexist and gross.

All MOO

 

[Love Never Fails]

Yeah, it's pretty ugly out my window, too. I wonder if the press is still sitting outside the landfill gate? LOL. Actually, when I went to bed last night, the forecast for snow had dropped to thirty or forty percent, and I thought that the weather would turn out nice and LE would prove me wrong on my prediction about them not starting the landfill search today. But no---it's turning out to be a pretty good snow event today, although as you can see by the attached map, it depends on where you are. That's always the thing about weather up here---hard to predict and highly dependent on location.

I'm learning more about how the media works in high-profile cases like this. Seeing those news trucks lined up at the landfill gate yesterday makes me realize how easy it is for LE to manipulate the media. I'm not suggesting they have bad motives in this, the media can really get in the way of an investigation, I am sure. If, for example, LE wanted to go back to a location to search again, and they didn't want anyone to see what they were looking at, all they have to do is suggest that something might be happening somewhere else. (I am not suggesting that LE searched anywhere yesterday, so please no yellow bicycle rumors.)

Oh, also I wanted to mention that when I posted about when LE might start to search the landfill, I forgot that this was a long weekend, with a holiday on Monday. I kind of doubt that, given a choice, LE would want to start searching on a long weekend. But we will see....[/QUOTE

I also wondered if the news about the landfill search was a fluke to cover another location. We may never know.

 

[Vandalay Industries]

IIRC, someone posted this article, which was a great read, and explained the extensive and long process of the dump search.

Inside Boulder detectives' month-long search for answers in an Arkansas landfill

CBI/FBI might be getting their players in line to take action. Probably takes a while to get them all assembled. IMO

 

[Love Never Fails]

A friend just reminded me CWs son was going to be named Nico, after his gf.

How about baby K being named after KL? Say it out loud.

Just a thought.

 

[Artis]

Without proof. Yet they sure want proof that PF is anything other than a stellar guy.
MOO

It's easier to believe when a friend tells you their baby mama takes off a lot than it is to believe your friend is a murderer. With the former, you're unlikely to ask for proof. You just take your friend's word it. With the latter, you are definitely going to want to see proof because A) you can't believe your friend is a killer and B) the seriousness of the assertion.

I am not defending PF or his circle of friends. Just trying to think logically and knowing how shocked I would be if someone I knew and liked was accused of such a thing. I'd want proof. You tell me your gf/bf takes off a lot, I don't much care.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Okay, so I am new here and have been lurking for a bit. I have to say that the way people talk about KK is frustrating, imo. From what I can gather she is a garbage person, who at the very least helped hide evidence, but who cares if she is fat, ugly, etc? I feel like this always gets piled on women... She was jealous of her lover's wife. Okay, I get you... but why bring her appearance into it? She was jealous because her lover was with someone else... I bet she would be just as jealous if she weighed 110.

Sorry, my first post was a tangent. It just feels sexist and gross.

All MOO

I guess I have lived way too long to be offended or call things sexist. I just scroll and roll. You are entitled to your opinion. Everyone else expresses theirs. Even if we see things differently, welcome.

 

[Noharg]

Delete OT

 

[Artis]

I don't know what their defense will be, but I'm sure it will continue in the same vein it has since PF first began planning KB's death, to malign KB and somehow make her responsible.
I can't speak for others, but when PF hired an atty that didn't make him look guilty to me. What made him look guilty was his callous behavior toward what we originally thought was a missing person. You might "lawyer up" if your husband went missing, but you'd also be out there front and center begging for his return, working to answer all questions you possibly could to LE and you'd most likely round up some search parties to search the area he was last seen. PF got an atty, locked his gates, refused to meet with LE, didn't attend a single PC, didn't use social media to get her face and pic out there, didn't head out to Gooding to ask questions or call a good friend he knew out there (KK) if she could put the word out or hang some posters, and in that it was bad enough he showed no concern, his family didn't either and that indicated not only guilt but a level of disdain that was stomach turning.

^^THIS.

That's the kind of stuff that's really telling. Between that and SF immediately moving for custody, it gave me an impression (MOO) that they saw little K as theirs and didn't give a damn about her mother.

 

[WildWest]

ate crimes.

Exactly, it was not a hate crime, thank you for the example your post demonstrates.

 

[Artis]

I believe the neighbor's reference was an estimate of the time frame 12:30-1pm, and not duration. MOO

And, even if his truck had been there for two hours, why would that be suspect considering they were supposed to be in a romantic relationship?

 

[Dave F.]

Please don't take this the wrong way as that is not my intention. But today I read I believe a DM article that included a picture PF talking to two blurred out men. He was standing there laughing, holding baby KB like a sack of potatoes and looking highly at ease. It stopped me in my tracks because I can be hyper observant. Less than a year ago, this guy WAS just a cowboy with (perhaps like everyone else) a "not perfect" and complicated life. But there he was at ease enough to laugh with his daughter tucked under his arm and he was comfortable.
It makes me wonder what went on to change that. I don't think KB his problem. I'm thinking the rest of his women were. I still think one of them is the owner of his motive and KB was the one who paid the price.
MOO, MOO

I think the photograph you mention is the three prize winners at the calf roping contest in Florence, Colorado, and the child of one of them. When people banter on and on about mutual love of a sport being proof of an affair, and possibly of a murder, I really wonder what they are seeing that I'm not.
MOO

 

[Bill Carson]

This is a good example of why we have to be careful with citing MSM as gospel. DM is an approved source, and I agree that they seem to post about news events sooner than other outlets, probably because they aren't as careful with their reporting. While their news stories often turn out to be true, that is not always the case.

According to this article, LE has already started searching the landfill. However, based upon the number of reporters at the WM facility yesterday afternoon, I feel very confident that we would have visual evidence of the search if LE was really present. So according to WS rules, we could use this article to "prove" that the digging started today, when it seems pretty clear that it did not.

I'll be happy to stand corrected if I have missed news to the contrary.

Officials now searching for missing mom Kelsey Berreth at a Colorado landfill | Daily Mail Online

 

[Mimi in London]

I guess I have lived way too long to be offended or call things sexist. I just scroll and roll. You are entitled to your opinion. Everyone else expresses theirs. Even if we see things differently, welcome.

Me too. But nonetheless I’m pleased that there are people (thanks Printcess) who remind us to think twice about the way we articulate some things so casually.

 

[gngr~snap]

A friend just reminded me CWs son was going to be named Nico, after his gf.

How about baby K being named after KL? Say it out loud.

Just a thought.

I'm stunned! You are one smart cookie and you may be right!
Unbeknownst to KB.
Moo

 

[MassGuy]

I'm stunned! You are one smart cookie and you may be right!
Unbeknownst to KB.
Moo

In the Watts case, there was absolutely no evidence that the baby was named after the mistress, nor that CW chose that name. One of Shanann’s closest friends had the name “Nichole.” CW’s middle name is “Lee.”

So “Nico Lee” makes sense.

Kelsey’s first name (obviously) begins with a “K.” The baby’s name also begins with “K.”

Despite the fact that the mistress’ name also begins with a “K,” it is a stretch to read anything into this.

It’s pointless, unlikely, and unknowable.