CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #33 *ARREST*

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  • #161
We don't have proof that PF actually murdered her. As far as I can tell, we don't actually know where he was at all times on Thanksgiving Day after KB was seen at the market.

(Law enforcement may have evidence that we don't know about yet).

Defense could float the suggestion that he is guilty of nothing more (!) than helping clean up. He could claim that KB was already dead when he arrived and that he was only involved in keeping his mouth shut. He could hint that KK did the deed.

Question for everyone: is it your gut impression that PF's mom is calling the shots in their relationship or is he calling the shots?

His poor mom is praying for him but she doesn't run his life. If she did, he wouldn't be in prison. He is the one with the demonstrated character of solicitation to murder of the mom of his child and charges of murder. We see how he conducted his life before these acts. Reports of verbal abuse and probably worse toward women. His mom gave him a place to live, food to eat while he dated multiple women intimidating one while she was pregnant.
 
  • #162
His poor mom is praying for him but she doesn't run his life. If she did, he wouldn't be in prison. He is the one with the demonstrated character of solicitation to murder of the mom of his child and charges of murder. We see how he conducted his life before these acts. Reports of verbal abuse and probably worse toward women. His mom gave him a place to live, food to eat while he dated multiple women intimidating one while she was pregnant.
And cheating on one while she was in the hospital too. And correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t her s/o state that she had dated PF for six years? I think that’s right. Anyway, her s/o stated that PF cheated on her while she was in the hospital and then said “ take that for what it’s worth”.
Yeah, PF is a stand up guy. A real gem. Ha!

ETA: can’t you just imagine what will come out in trial if that woman is called to testify and IF they actually dated 6 years? Oh yeah!
 
  • #163
Exactly. If KK is as involved as she appears to be, and her excuse is “I was scared, so I helped him,” then I hope the jury is bemused by that.

And throws the book at her.

That ain’t gonna fly.

even if you believe her to be culpable, I would not completely discount her fear. you know that old aphorism "there is no honor among thieves?" might be applicable
For those thinking PF had nothing to do with KB's murder, please listen to Jennifer V, Snr. Deputy District Attorney when asked if arresting PF was done to soon. She is confident he was not arrested to soon. Imo, they know something or have some kind of evidence.
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I keep wondering if the vehicles were not really thoroughly cleaned and if there are calls or
texts that are too incriminating to be explained (my speculation).
 
  • #164
even if you believe her to be culpable, I would not completely discount her fear. you know that old aphorism "there is no honor among thieves?" might be applicable


I keep wondering if the vehicles were not really thoroughly cleaned and if there are calls or
texts that are too incriminating to be explained (my speculation).
I definitely think the data on the phones will sink him
 
  • #165
Is Grand Junction the closest place to Woodland Park she could have done her flight instructor certification? I'm still confused on where the info comes from that she moved to Grand Junction at all.
She moved to Woodland Park in 2016 based on the video interview with her uncle.
If GJ was where she had to go for training, she might have moved there from WP only to do the FI training in Feb 2017 which is when she told a fellow pilot who reportedly went to "flight school" with her that she was getting married soon: Who was Kelsey Berreth? Quiet life apparently ends in tragedy | Colorado Springs News | gazette.com

ETA: Her Flight Instructor Cert is dated 4/24/2017.
FAA Registry - Airmen - AirmenInquiry - Name Search

MOO.
Additional training at CFC Grand Junction would be complimentary to KB's Bend Community College aviation program (Moses Lake, WA). GJ is clearly not a commuting distance to WP, and Uncle may only recall WP because KB purchased a home there, and it's closer to where PF resided. Also, KB was pregnant from Jan-Oct 2017, and may have returned to GJ for some additional training during this time.
My posts are MOO, and based on my recollection of Eastern WA local media news with local Pastor and family.
 
  • #166
Tentative Timeline

1989 Kelsey Berreth was born in Grant County, Washington

KB Raised on a hay farm in Warden, Washington

KB spent most of her childhood attending Crestview School in Moses Lake, WA

KB Moved to Sandpoint, ID area with her parents (Dates Unknown)

KB Trained as a pilot at Big Bend Community College in Moses Lake, WA (Dates Unknown)

Sept 22, 2015 -- KB earns her Commercial Pilot Certification

March 2016
-- KB meets PF online

2016
-- KB moves to Woodland Park, CO (rents a condo on E Lake Ave?)

2016
--KB has a PO Box in Florissant, CO (listed on FAA Certifications)

Date Unknown -- KB Worked at a coffee shop in Florissant for a few months

2016
-- KB Worked for Springs Aviation in Peyton, CO

Dec 2016 -- KB's FAA Medical date (Medical Class: First)

January 2017
-- KB gets pregnant, shares rent with her friend AC in Colorado sometime after that (where in CO they lived together is not confirmed in MSM but KB was working as a pilot "nearby" and pregnant at the time they lived together per friend AC's interview with CBS).

February 2017 -- KB tells a fellow pilot that she trained with (KA) that she is "getting married soon"

April 24 2017
-- KB earns her Flight Instructor Certification

June 2017 -- KB tells fellow pilot KA "she aspired to fly cargo deliveries or work as an airline pilot" -- It's the last time KA spoke to KB

Job change to Doss Aviation in Pueblo? (*MOO Only -- Dates unknown*)

Oct 2017 -- Baby K is born

May 2018 -- KB purchases her condo at 269 E Lake Ave in Woodland Park, CO

Between Sept 1, 2018 and Nov 2018 -- PF allegedly asks someone 3 times to murder KB

Oct 2018 -- KB's family visits her (Fall Photo of KB, CB and Baby K taken)

Nov 22, 2018 -- KB is murdered in her condo on Thanksgiving Day

Dec 21, 2018 -- PF is arrested, eventually charged with 2 counts 1st degree Murder, 3 counts Solicitation to Murder KB.

Sources:
Who was Kelsey Berreth? Quiet life apparently ends in tragedy | Colorado Springs News | gazette.com
FAA Registry - Airmen - AirmenInquiry - Name Search
Kelsey Berreth's friend believes her fiancé was "borderline emotionally abusive"
Search expands for Colorado mom, 29, last seen on Thanksgiving
Kelsey Berreth's cousin speaks out for the first time since fiance's arrest | Daily Mail Online
Pasco relatives pray for miracle as search continues for missing Colorado mother
Fiance accused of killing Colorado woman missing for month
Fiance of missing mom Kelsey Berreth ‘punched a horse in the gut,’ cheated on his ex while she was in the hospital, sources claim: Report
Mother of missing Colorado mom speaks out on daughter's disappearance
Mother of Kelsey Berreth asked about relationship between and her daughter and her fiancé
Kelsey Berreth: Police Search Fiancé’s Ranch In Hunt For Missing Colorado Mom
Fiance of missing Kelsey Berreth voluntarily releases cell phone, DNA sample to law enforcement
Fiancee of missing Colorado mom Kelsey Berreth is arrested and charged with murder | Daily Mail Online
Patrick Frazee: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com
Kelsey Berreth's Fiance Is a 'Gentle Soul' Who Would Never Hurt Anyone, Friend Says
Neighbor of missing mom Kelsey Berreth says she saw red pickup truck, possibly fiance Patrick Frazee’s, at her home the day she went missing
Cops process evidence found in Kelsey Berreth's murder investigation now in Idaho | Daily Mail Online
Members of Sandpoint church continue prayers for Kelsey Berreth
Fiance accused of killing Colorado woman missing for month
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  • #167
perhaps. it seems to me that PF's mom was, along with KB, the care provider of the child. it appears to me that PF's mom had at least provided 50% of total care time, considering KB was in Pueblo working. during this time KB's mom provided care only during relatively short term visits. all the crime thing aside i would think that there was from the perspective of the child a fairly great bonding to PF's mom and not as much with KB's mom. i think PF's mom had devoted a great deal of her time to the care of the child whilst KB's mom was a distant grandmother type. granted, because of the dynamics of the murder charges i can see the temporary removal of the child from PF's mom. but i can also understand PF's mom actions.
Agree. I imagine SF certainly knows she doesn’t deserve custody, but because in her mind she helped “raise” her granddaughter, It makes sense to me that she tries for custody to see if she gets lucky with the courts. Jmo
 
  • #168
I definitely think the data on the phones will sink him
Im guessing the data on the phones may only sink him on the solicitation charges but not on the murder charges imo. His defense? Kk is a jealous lover, she visited me, stole the phone, sent unethical texts on her own accord. (Not illegal in and of itself). I’m guessing The forensics in the condo will sink him on the murder. Not sure if my thought process is right on this..
 
  • #169
Quick question. If this were to become a Federal case, at what time would that motion come forward and is it something that is done frequently or infrequently?
 
  • #170
In reply to previous posts that reasoned that the fact that KB's phone pinged in Idaho and that KK lives in Idaho, therefore KK must have had KB's phone:
There are several good maps of cell phone towers online. None are very easy to read, but they are readable. A 5G LTE tower has a reception range, depending on conditions, of 32 to 37 miles. I used a 35 mile radious for reference. Within that radius, Verizon is known to use cell boosters, which create a mini cell within the macro cell. In a place where hilly terrain might drop the coverage down too low for acceptable service, the booster cell creates a pocket of 5 bar transmission. So, KB's phone was somewhere within the 35 mile circle of Goodingcould not possibly have pinged in Twin Falls or Hansen because they are both are serviced by numerous overlapping 5G towers of equal strength to Gooding. The exact sequence would be that whoever had the phone turned it on at 5:10 pm. Exactly three minutes later, at 5:13 pm, it pinged the Gooding tower. If another tower of equal strength had been detected, the phone would have waited five more minutes and pinged that tower, to see if it accepted transmission. If it did, then the tower would switch KB's phone to itself. The two texts are traceable through the electronic records of the tower, but it takes a long time for a group of experts (industry employees, not LE) to make the search. It also requires a legal warrant that is very specific in what to search for. IMO
http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Twin-Falls-Idaho.html
 
  • #171
perhaps. it seems to me that PF's mom was, along with KB, the care provider of the child. it appears to me that PF's mom had at least provided 50% of total care time, considering KB was in Pueblo working. during this time KB's mom provided care only during relatively short term visits. all the crime thing aside i would think that there was from the perspective of the child a fairly great bonding to PF's mom and not as much with KB's mom. i think PF's mom had devoted a great deal of her time to the care of the child whilst KB's mom was a distant grandmother type. granted, because of the dynamics of the murder charges i can see the temporary removal of the child from PF's mom. but i can also understand PF's mom actions.
I agree that PFs mom has an attachment to her grand daughter. Under normal circumstances we would all do what we could do continue to build relationship with the baby.

But, I think it is insane, or at least extremely inconsiderate, to file for custody when her son is arrested for the mother’s murder.

On the other hand, denial is a strong defense mechanism. The bonds we have with our own children are strong, sometimes no matter what. I think Ted Bundy’s mom refused to believe he had killed anyone even after he was convicted of several murders.

Time will tell. In the end, it matters not what PFs mother feels she wants or needs, but what is in the best interest of the baby.

Which of course brings up the heartache of knowing- it would have been best for the baby to have her dear and sweet mom in her life.
 
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His poor mom is praying for him but she doesn't run his life. If she did, he wouldn't be in prison. He is the one with the demonstrated character of solicitation to murder of the mom of his child and charges of murder. We see how he conducted his life before these acts. Reports of verbal abuse and probably worse toward women. His mom gave him a place to live, food to eat while he dated multiple women intimidating one while she was pregnant.
Yes, I also doubt PF shared the details of his relationships with his mother. If anything, I would think he would have tried to hide it, especially if he was having affairs. I can't see him wanting any of her input or advice. Imo
 
  • #174
Yes, I also doubt PF shared the details of his relationships with his mother. If anything, I would think he would have tried to hide it, especially if he was having affairs. I can't see him wanting any of her input or advice. Imo
Agreed. Although I do think he told his family he broke up with women when he hadn’t. I think that would allow him to bring women into the mix during overlaps of relationships. If Rs are to be believed KK may have made multiple trips to CO, but F family might not think anything of it if he told them he and KB were broken up. MOO
 
  • #175
In one of the earliest interviews of KB Uncle in WA State, I recall him stating that Colorado (Grand Junction) was an opportunity for KB to pursue her dream job, and closer to PF. I've long believed that KB's job offer in Colorado was first, and this potential Colorado suitor (PF) was icing on the cake. MOO
I've been trying to locate a link for my earlier post today, and can provide that it was video on Eastern Washington's "iFiber One News." Also, the comment was not by KB's Uncle, but by his daughter or KB's cousin, who spoke about KB first leaving WA for GJ. Unfortunately, this iFiber local video can't be located, but this update and/or correction after talking to locals in Moses Lake may refresh the memory of others here. Sorry I couldn't find it.
 
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  • #176

Thanks. I wish we had some more firm dates/locations for when/where KB moved to before buying her home in WP, but we are getting little pieces of info here and there.

I also wonder about other events we don't know about yet-- For example, I am curious when KB and PF got engaged and how that came about. In Feb 2017 KB is early pregnant and tells her fellow pilot/friend that she is "getting married soon". Did PF formally propose or did they simply have a conversation where they came to an understanding they would be getting married in the future?

I also want to know things like-- did KB go to any rodeo events with PF? Did KB go to family holidays and birthdays at PF's family ranch? Did PF ever visit her family in Idaho/WA (other than the time he drove up to help her move to Colorado)? What was KB's work schedule like?

I'm leaving the detailed timeline of the crime and court case developments up to @Tippy Lynn :)
 
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  • #177
If KB made a purchase, the register "tape" will show the exact time and date, and the film of her leaving would be later on the same loop as the film of her entering, but in the top of the screen heading the other dirfection, with the date and time ticking away on the screen. THAT would be her last confirmed sighting.
PF told CB, when she contacted him to see if he knew anything about where KB might have gone, that he had their daughter and had picked her up Thanksgiving day. He also told CB in that conversation that he received a text from her on the 25th. Police and his lawyer reported that he was cooperating with them and delivering evidence that they requested, but no one ever claimed that he talked to them about the case. We know that his attorneys all have advised him not to.
I would guesstimate that there is NO shred of possible evidence of either KB of PF's travels on Thanksgiiving day that is NOT important. OMI
She ran off to the store without getting all made up, which was unlike her. So she was in a rush and she had a baby with her. She spent 20 mins or less in that store. Probably quite a bit less.
 
  • #178
If she is met by someone.
I don’t know where people are getting this. People don’t meet up at a grocery store IMHO. She went to the store for a few minutes, then went back home.
 
  • #179
I've been trying to locate a link for my earlier post today, and can provide that it was video on Eastern Washington's "iFiber One News." Also, the comment was not by KB's Uncle, but by his daughter or KB's cousin, who spoke about KB first leaving WA for GJ. Unfortunately, this iFiber local video can't be located, but my update after talking to locals in Moses Lake may refresh the memory of others here. Sorry I couldn't find it.

This is the only iFiber one I know of with family interviews:
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But that info is not in there. I will look for another one.
 
  • #180
In reply to previous posts that reasoned that the fact that KB's phone pinged in Idaho and that KK lives in Idaho, therefore KK must have had KB's phone:
There are several good maps of cell phone towers online. None are very easy to read, but they are readable. A 5G LTE tower has a reception range, depending on conditions, of 32 to 37 miles. I used a 35 mile radious for reference. Within that radius, Verizon is known to use cell boosters, which create a mini cell within the macro cell. In a place where hilly terrain might drop the coverage down too low for acceptable service, the booster cell creates a pocket of 5 bar transmission. So, KB's phone was somewhere within the 35 mile circle of Goodingcould not possibly have pinged in Twin Falls or Hansen because they are both are serviced by numerous overlapping 5G towers of equal strength to Gooding. The exact sequence would be that whoever had the phone turned it on at 5:10 pm. Exactly three minutes later, at 5:13 pm, it pinged the Gooding tower. If another tower of equal strength had been detected, the phone would have waited five more minutes and pinged that tower, to see if it accepted transmission. If it did, then the tower would switch KB's phone to itself. The two texts are traceable through the electronic records of the tower, but it takes a long time for a group of experts (industry employees, not LE) to make the search. It also requires a legal warrant that is very specific in what to search for. IMO
Also, if whoever had KB's phone on Nov. 25 had their own phone with them, and it was on, it would have also pinged the Gooding tower. If they were in a vehicle that had GM OnStar or any other satellite based stranded motorist program, it would have also pinged the Gooding tower, whether the ignition was on or not. A strong ping leaves the phone connected for eight hours or until it is turned off, as long as that phone remains within that towers reception circle. If the phone moves, out of the circle, it pings the strongest tower signal in the service area it has entered.
http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Twin-Falls-Idaho.html
 
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