CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #37 *ARREST*

[NoeticSoul]

I'm looking for my bucket. That nauseating feeling is coming over me again

Me too. There is no reason for any of them to keep blabbing imho. I hope someone stops this like they stopped the Rockstahls. If KK can't talk to the media, neither should BFF be able to. All the BS makes me so angry.

The Rockstahls said that they were told 3 times as early as OCTOBER (which means KK DID know about KB + baby in October) that PF asked KK to kill KB and she declined. So they all knew in October and nobody did a dam thing. That's ALL I need to know and all that matters to me. They make me sick and should all be ashamed of themselves as human beings, at the very least.

 

[susiQ]

Self delete.

 

[mrstfs]

Self delete.

Bummer, I wanted to read your insight.

 

[StarryNight]

If PF or KK actually believed that Kelsey was dangerous and might harm her baby wouldn't they just call Child Protective Services or LE? I know they are just reaching for any sort of excuse to make Kelseys disappearance seem plausable but there is no way in the world I believe Kelsey would harm her baby. That is just a load of bull IMO. There are many parents in the world today that have had CPS called on them for various reasons but people who called and reported said parents to CPS didn't decide to murder them to solve the problem. Both PF and KK are crazy if they ever thought that excuse of Kelsey hurting her baby would fly!

BBM.
Exactly! If she was that crazy, CPS would've simply awarded him full custody of the child until Kelsey was deemed to be a fit mother again. I'm not buying that BS at all about her possibly harming the child. Nope.

 

[InvSmith]

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And we don't know that KKL drove from ID to CO and back home again.

I think LE indicated the phone was in ID and had been pinged there and texts from there. KK them confessed to having moved the phone. She plead guilty to tampering with evidence. We are not to her sentencing yet but you can draw an inference that she moved the phone.

 

[Ultra Violet]

Does anyone know if the KKL plea deal prevents her from profiting off of her involvement in this crime?

Are all of these mis-guided attempts at image rehabilitation trying to clean up her image and drum up interest in her secret story so she can try to obtain a book deal or other media-related money after she has served whatever her short sentence turns out to be?

MOO!

 

[allboys]

It appears that both the prosecution and defense will have an opportunity to respond.

Hopefully they don’t take issue with it, or are denied if they do.

We all want to see this stuff ASAP.

I wish Websleuths was the organization to file the motion. That would have brought an extra amount of satisfaction in getting access to the documents.

 

[Elley Mae]

“I learned Patrick Frazee had committed a homicide,” Kenney said in court, reading from a handwritten statement. Choking back tears, she said she moved the victim’s cell phone with the intent to impair the investigation.

Idaho nurse linked to Kelsey Berreth case pleads guilty, set to testify against suspected killer

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Sounds pretty cut and dry to me.

 

[PommyMommy]

‘Her testimony will be worth its weight in gold’: Nancy Grace says testimony from mistress will have ‘huge impact’ in Kelsey Berreth murder trial [VIDEO]
“Krystal Lee Kenney’s conviction will have a huge impact on Patrick Frazee’s case because it’s now set that she will testify against him and she will be the State’s chief witness,” she said.

“Her testimony will be worth its weight in gold.”

Grace went on to note that the prosecutors aren’t without obstacles, as it’ll prove difficult to land a first-degree murder conviction without Berreth’s body. She speculated that police must have located evidence invisible to the “naked eye” in Berreth’s townhome which indicated a murder took place.

“I suspect they used luminol and found a vast amount of blood there,” Grace continued. “She’s dead and I think the jury will believe that.”

 

[susiQ]

BBM.
Exactly! If she was that crazy, CPS would've simply awarded him full custody of the child until Kelsey was deemed to be a fit mother again. I'm not buying that BS at all about her possibly harming the child. Nope.

Well, I posted something earlier, got cold feet and deleted because I feared someone might take it the wrong way. It's so difficult to write some things and convey your intent. People are so easily offended at times. But here goes, because it speaks to your post. No disrespect to anyone just another perspective. Please read to the end before judgement
previous deleted post:
I just had an OMG moment after my last post Please don't jump to any conclusions until you read the entire post. I'm not victim bashing, I'm drawing from experience and events I've seen in the news over the years. My thoughts only.

We suspect PF has some kind of personality disorder and that his relationship with KB was probably rife with many ups and downs in it's relatively short duration. He is a man with no empathy, anger issues and serious commitment issues. Poor Kelsey, innocent, naive, isolated from family with a new baby, a job with a long commute. Imagine an argument breaks out, maybe around a Sept. rodeo. Did KB suspect something about KK and confront him and in her upset and possible sense of abandonment, utter the fatal words about self harm and that of the baby? Many times postpartum depression hides beneath the surface as well and with a partner that has no compassion or empathy and anger lurking beneath the surface, it could have been overwhelming at that moment for KB. Words spoken while in despair and emotional pain. That's ALL PF needed to launch into his plan to destroy her and "justify" why he needed to do it. NOW, he had an excuse for his evil intent. He pretends to comfort her, KB takes that as "everything will be o.k., he will change," because she desperately needs to believe that and pulls herself back together.

I don't write this without deep sadness for what KB was living through and trying to make better. I doubt she told her mother certain things and I think KB really believed everything would be o.k. SHE wanted it to work.

Make no mistake. PF is an abuser and utter monster. Sick, twisted brain and there's NO excuse for KK following after him.

Again, just my thoughts

edit to add: I do not for one moment believe KB could have harmed K.

 

[Hatch]

Right. Aren’t there picture of him and the baby at rodeo events or something?

I recall a picture early on being circulated of her holding what as speculated to be Baby K when she was about 6 months old. Patrick on a horse with one of her kids and the other standing by KK . And yes I saved that pic before it was all blurred out to my files , but I don't think we are allowed to use it again. If I recall it was thought to be taken before baby K was born but that was not substantiated.

 

[Snowsnake]

I think that the KK & PF story is being far to romanticize. There is at least a ten year relationship between them be it business or sexual. Each one knew what the other was. That is why PF felt confident in soliciting KK for assistance in committing a murder. Sort of the birds of a feather flock together concept.
For motive I can only look at the suspects and come up with spoiled brat greed. KB was the responsible adult in this situation. She had a good job that required her to past drug tests. She purchased a home in WP so PK could have easy visitation rights. I also believe she was in the process of formally serving him on his rights and obligations. That is where the greed comes in. No more hiding his cash business and his cows. He was going to have to declare and act like an adult. That alone could have scared him enough to contact his business partner KK. She may have been in a financial loss situation as well. Hiding cattle and horse transaction so she could receive more child support.
I am not willing to give KK & RR the benefit of some romance story. This is the cold blooded killing of a young mother.

 

[Hatch]

Self delete.

I read your post @susiQ ,

Self delete.

not sure what happened: had a flicker on the sight.
@susiQ I can see where you were coming from in your post you deleted. Unfortunately PP is real . If we are to keep our eyes open to every possibility for EX: KB was head over hills for PF and he broke it off , in a crying upset emotion KB could of said something to the nature you described.
Unfortunately she is not hear to tell her side of the story.
That is what enrages most everyone, that she is dead and was brutally murderd for whatever reason. With that said I do believe PF murdered her and there were other routes he could of taken . Premeditated murder is Premeditated murder.

 

[jaspermac]

Good Morning all,

This I do not get because the Sonic video shows what kind of vehicle she is in.

The video that was shown, is said to have not been the video that was allegedly turned over to police. The tv station may have just been showing a standard drive thru video. It is possible that is why the article and video were removed online and no other stations picked up on this as news.

Either way she is talking they know what vehicle she drove in, she would have had to disclose this.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Um, not in my home, thank you very much! {{{shutter}}}

Wouldn't even trust her for bedpan duty. MOO

 

[NoeticSoul]

Well, I posted something earlier, got cold feet and deleted because I feared someone might take it the wrong way. It's so difficult to write some things and convey your intent. People are so easily offended at times. But here goes, because it speaks to your post. No disrespect to anyone just another perspective. Please read to the end before judgement
previous deleted post:
I just had an OMG moment after my last post Please don't jump to any conclusions until you read the entire post. I'm not victim bashing, I'm drawing from experience and events I've seen in the news over the years. My thoughts only.

We suspect PF has some kind of personality disorder and that his relationship with KB was probably rife with many ups and downs in it's relatively short duration. He is a man with no empathy, anger issues and serious commitment issues. Poor Kelsey, innocent, naive, isolated from family with a new baby, a job with a long commute. Imagine an argument breaks out, maybe around a Sept. rodeo. Did KB suspect something about KK and confront him and in her upset and possible sense of abandonment, utter the fatal words about self harm and that of the baby? Many times postpartum depression hides beneath the surface as well and with a partner that has no compassion or empathy and anger lurking beneath the surface, it could have been overwhelming at that moment for KB. Words spoken while in despair and emotional pain. That's ALL PF needed to launch into his plan to destroy her and "justify" why he needed to do it. NOW, he had an excuse for his evil intent. He pretends to comfort her, KB takes that as "everything will be o.k., he will change," because she desperately needs to believe that and pulls herself back together.

I don't write this without deep sadness for what KB was living through and trying to make better. I doubt she told her mother certain things and I think KB really believed everything would be o.k. SHE wanted it to work.

Make no mistake. PF is an abuser and utter monster. Sick, twisted brain and there's NO excuse for KK following after him.

Again, just my thoughts

edit to add: I do not for one moment believe KB could have harmed K.

@susiQ Never be afraid to post your true thoughts/feelings . Anything is possible and we're all just searching out loud for answers together. I agree with @Hatch I wish KB were here to have a voice so we'd know the real truth. Personally, I don't think KB ever saw it coming. Too innocent and too sweet.

 

[allboys]

But the fact that KK is a terrible person, and her friends are terrible people, doesn’t make them legally complicit in the crime itself.

I firmly believe that PF did the killing on his own, and KK helped in the coverup.

I also believe that the evidence will prove irrefutable.

BBM. I agree. And the calm, cool and collected demeanor of the DA tells me that he has the utmost confidence in the case evidence as well.

Hopefully soon, we will all be pouring over unsealed documents, nodding our heads thinking, "Yep, they got him."

 

[JenniferTx]

I pray that they locate Kelsey's body soon. If LE can find her body and prove that she was killed at KK's residence then won't the prosecution be able to charge both PF and KK with first degree murder if they can determine how she was murdered?

 

[EyesofTheSouth]

I’m going to have to somewhat disagree with Nancy Grace. While I agree it’s important that the prosecution has PF’s accomplice after the fact, KK’s friends and their little dog and pony shows are a huge liability to her credibility, especially when they’re contradicting each other.

Best friend says KK didn’t know about KB being the fiancée and PF being the father of Baby K. We know that’s bs because the Rs said PF told KK that KB was crazy and a danger to the baby. They say that info came from KK’s best friend.

And of course the aforementioned idea of how ridiculous it would be that PF never gave a reason for why he wanted KB dead.

The Rs admit that Kk was solicited to commit murder months before it actually happened and did nothing to prevent it. How is that playing with potential jurors who see this in the news?

Best friend begged KK not to go to Colorado but she did anyways. Yet we’re supposed to believe KK went to help PF because she was scared? She was 800 miles away. If anything, she put herself directly in danger by going to PF.

I mean, we can all sit here and realize these things. Plus many of us feel that KK was much more involved than she claims. I personally think she saw KB as an obstacle that she jealously wanted out of the way. I think she was more than happy with the idea of KB being out of PF’s life forever.

Point being, KK does not present well to the general public, and her ‘PR squad’ are only making that worse.

Would I still convict PF of murder? Well yeah, based on what we know and assuming there’s no compelling evidence to the contrary.

However, the fact that the star witness is a big fat liar has the real potential to make at least one juror discard her testimony. A lying liar who lies doesn’t make for the best witness.

So I would say that, all This considered, KK is far from the ideal witness and doesn’t make this case a slam dunk.

 

[ajaylee]

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I don't write this without deep sadness for what KB was living through and trying to make better. I doubt she told her mother certain things and I think KB really believed everything would be o.k. SHE wanted it to work.

Make no mistake. PF is an abuser and utter monster. Sick, twisted brain and there's NO excuse for KK following after him.

Again, just my thoughts

edit to add: I do not for one moment believe KB could have harmed K.

susiQ, thanks for a thoughtful and very sensitive post on a sensitive subject. Sadly, I can very easily see a broken-hearted post-partum mom saying something awful in a moment of despair, something she never meant - and that her lover knew she didn't mean.

It reminds me of old Perry Mason courtrooms, where the falsely accused is on the stand and the DA says "I'll kill you if you do that one more time" and the hapless defendant protests "I was mad, I didn't really mean it".