CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #38 *ARREST*

[OldLadyBlues]

My guess is he's repeating what he heard from PF's lying lips. I can see it starting out as a way for PF to justify bringing Baby K along on his donkey job in Cripple Creek and to get free child care while he worked. IIRC, Cline's wife watched baby K while PF and CC went out to tend the donkeys. The first time he brought Baby K to Cline's wife to watch, PF probably lied and said KB was not reliable and had stuck him with the baby at the last minute. That way PF gets sympathy and free childcare. The second or third time PF brought baby K along he could have lied again and said he had full custody now since, since KB was always running off and had to go to drug rehab (LIAR!)


MOO.

PF is just....special, isn't he?

 

[haven71]

Custody fight at heart of missing Colorado woman's case, family says

Apologies if this has already been posted. I hadn’t read that Patrick argued about custody of K with CB before KB was reported missing. Basically telling CB that Kelsey wasn’t fit to have custody. PF bs...

 

[heartgoesout]

So is the family maintaining PF and KB were still together and he lied about the break up as the civil suit alleges or are they saying they were broken up and the murder was regarding custody?
Why am I still on this?

 

[heartgoesout]

ahhh I see the amended compliant says they broke up Thanksgiving. Wonder why they decided to amend that part?

 

[lindaromas]

Yeah I think there was a definite reason he specifically mentioned keys and a gun. The keys was to say he didn’t have access to her home anymore. The gun was to say if she is ever found dead of a gunshot and linked back to that gun, he no longer had that gun.

And his fingerprints are all over them

 

[SandyQLS]

Take note "designated beneficiary" here not to be confused with designated beneficiary agreement pursuant to 2009 Colorado Designated Beneficiary Agreement Act.

Berreth's are also represented by the firm that worked on Micheal Jackson's Estate, and represented Katherine Jackson in multi billion wrongful death lawsuit against music promoter AEG Live.

I trust their lawyer understands legal standing!

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A Designated Beneficiary under the 2009 Act IS exactly the status required to file a wrongful death suit. The rights under a Designated Beneficiary Agreement are similar to marriage rights, the rights of a spouse. A designated beneficiary must be unmarried.

Trusts, Wills, Estates and LLC's use different nomenclature.

CB and DB are married. Neither of them could have entered into a DBA with KB. The motion states that they have filed as parents in #3 and as no other status or on behalf of another legal entity (such as Trustee, Executor, etc.) , and #32 explains their personal physical suffering (insomnia, headaches, etc).

ETD: personalizing

 

[gngr~snap]

PF is just....special, isn't he?

No. He is textbook regular in a malignant kind of way, so to speak.
Moo

 

[Steelhead]

Or he stopped at Cracker Barrel when he dumped Kelsey's remains in Colorado Springs.

Or maybe he met up with KK at Cracker Barrel? I think he was definitely at Cracker Barrel.

 

[justpeachy22]

Looking ahead, I have thought about how a defense team will try to taint KB’s character with new information, to garner sympathy for PF (as maddening as that will be). PF mentioned to KK, and possibly convinced her, that the baby was not safe with KB. He also mentioned to CB he was sick of dealing with KB. There’s a story there and they’ll want it told. I’ll be curious to see if he uses ‘the mental illness card’ against KB as part of his defense. It won’t help him, but I’m suspecting he’ll use it. None of the why he killed should matter to anyone when he took a beautiful life. However, I think her parents may have a very rough road ahead of them if the defense tries to taint KB.

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

Or maybe he met up with KK at Cracker Barrel? I think he was definitely at Cracker Barrel.

If he did go with KK or even on his own after the fact, knowing it was KBs dad’s favorite restaurant... Maybe it is just me, but there is something so vindictive about that to me. Not only does he take his daughter from him, but he thoroughly ruins what was DBs favorite restaurant. MOO

 

[Kapua]

ahhh I see the amended compliant says they broke up Thanksgiving. Wonder why they decided to amend that part?

No, the amended complaint says:

"On December 2, 2018, Cheryl-Lee Berreth, on Plaintiffs’ behalf, called Frazee and asked him if everything was “okay”. Frazee responded with “here’s the story…” and proceeded to knowingly and deliberately communicate to Plaintiffs the following false statements, misrepresentations, and/or calculated omissions:
a. Frazee and Kelsey broke up on/or about Thanksgiving Day 2018;...."

 

[Oregon]

ahhh I see the amended compliant says they broke up Thanksgiving. Wonder why they decided to amend that part?

Patrick told CB they broke up on Thanksgiving. I imagine through phone calls, texts, and emails between the B family members and KB and PF there may be information that conflicts with PF’s version.

 

[Oregon]

If he did go with KK or even on his own after the fact, knowing it was KBs dad’s favorite restaurant... Maybe it is just me, but there is something so vindictive about that to me. Not only does he take his daughter from him, but he thoroughly ruins what was DBs favorite restaurant. MOO

I also think that people who are capable of these things are vindictive about dates too...Thanksgiving will always be the day KB was murdered. I hope for baby’s sake that it becomes the day they always celebrate her mother and the love she had for her daughter and family.

 

[Eleanor Rigby]

Custody fight at heart of missing Colorado woman's case, family says

Apologies if this has already been posted. I hadn’t read that Patrick argued about custody of K with CB before KB was reported missing. Basically telling CB that Kelsey wasn’t fit to have custody. PF bs...

Above BBM
From above link:
According to Friday's refiled wrongful death suit, Frazee argued in a phone call to Berreth's mother more than a week after she disappeared that the missing woman "had 'issues' that would warrant Frazee 'getting full custody' of their baby."

 

[haven71]

Above BBM
From above link:
According to Friday's refiled wrongful death suit, Frazee argued in a phone call to Berreth's mother more than a week after she disappeared that the missing woman "had 'issues' that would warrant Frazee 'getting full custody' of their baby."

I said Pf argued with CB before she was REPORTED missing. I thought I was clear on that, that it was a conversation after KB was missing but before she was actually reported missing. Correct me if I’m wrong. It is late.

 

[Seattle1]

IMO it is you who continues to misunderstand and post an inaccurate understanding.

A Designated Beneficiary under the 2009 Act IS exactly the status required to file a wrongful death suit. The rights under a Designated Beneficiary Agreement are similar to marriage rights, the rights of a spouse. A designated beneficiary must be unmarried.

Trusts, Wills, Estates and LLC's use different nomenclature.
CB and DB are married. Neither of them could have entered into a DBA with KB. The motion states that they have filed as parents, and #32 explains their personal physical suffering (insomnia, headaches, etc).

I disagree with both your characterization of my post, and also your interpretation.

According to PF's attorney, the Berreth's wrongful death suit should be dismissed because KB has a child, and therefore the Berreth's, as parents, do not have legal standing to file suit.

Berreth's obviously disagree, have not dropped their wrongful death suit, and I agree with them.

C.R.S. § 13-21-201 governs who may bring a wrongful death action.

While the statute provides that a "designated beneficiary" of the decedent may also have standing to bring a wrongful death action, in lieu of, or in addition to other parties with standing enumeration by the statute..........

NOWHERE does the Colorado wrongful death statute define "designated beneficiary"
as that defined by or pursuant to the "2009 COLORADO BENEFICIARY AGREEMENT ACT."

The legal term/concept designated beneficiary exists outside of the State of Colorado.

The subject here is Berreth's Colorado wrongful death lawsuit, and nothing to do with the DBA drafted for same sex partners.

MOO

 

[Flurries]

Yeah I think there was a definite reason he specifically mentioned keys and a gun. The keys was to say he didn’t have access to her home anymore. The gun was to say if she is ever found dead of a gunshot and linked back to that gun, he no longer had that gun.

Always, always change the locks! Returning a key does not mean that they did not have copies made.
I manage a seasonal business. I had an old key from 2 years ago and inadvertantley used it to open the front door to my business this year.
Now this place had another tenant since my last rental, but the locks had not been changed. Any number of key holders may have had copies made in the interim.

 

[GHgal]

I disagree with both your characterization of my post, and also your interpretation.

According to PF's attorney, the Berreth's wrongful death suit should be dismissed because KB has a child, and therefore the Berreth's, as parents, do not have legal standing to file suit.

Berreth's obviously disagree, have not dropped their wrongful death suit, and I agree with them.

C.R.S. § 13-21-201 governs who may bring a wrongful death action.

While the statute provides that a "designated beneficiary" of the decedent may also have standing to bring a wrongful death action, in lieu of, or in addition to other parties with standing enumeration by the statute..........

NOWHERE does the Colorado wrongful death statute define "designated beneficiary"
as that defined by or pursuant to the "2009 COLORADO BENEFICIARY AGREEMENT ACT."

The legal term/concept designated beneficiary exists outside of the State of Colorado.

The subject here is Berreth's Colorado wrongful death lawsuit, and nothing to do with the DBA drafted for same sex partners.

MOO

Right!!! Nicole Simpson’s family filed a lawsuit, and won, against OJ, while she had minor children when the murder and lawsuit occurred.

 

[Seattle1]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
The Berreths allege Frazee lied to them about his last contact with Kelsey. They also say they believe Frazee's motive for the presumed murder was that he wanted full custody of their 1-year-old daughter, and Kelsey wouldn't consent to that. @Clayton_Sandell had it first

7:03 PM - 15 Feb 2019

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
JUST IN: We can confirm that Cheryl & Darrell Berreth filed an amended complaint today in the wrongful death lawsuit against Patrick Frazee. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney @KOAA
Berreth’s parents amend lawsuit, claim murder was over child custody

7:02 PM - 15 Feb 2019

 

[indicolite22]

If he did go with KK or even on his own after the fact, knowing it was KBs dad’s favorite restaurant... Maybe it is just me, but there is something so vindictive about that to me. Not only does he take his daughter from him, but he thoroughly ruins what was DBs favorite restaurant. MOO

IMO it's not about vindictiveness. I've seen it mentioned here that Cracker Barrel was one of only a few restaurants open on Thanksgiving day. No idea if he really went there then and with whom.