CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #41 *ARREST*

[susiQ]

I keep thinking something is not right! What if they planned that she would tell this story to LE. It creates reasonable doubt with the jurors. PF would get off and cant be tried again due to Double Jeopardy. Plus, with the Plea Deal, KK only gets a slap on the wrist! Basically, they both get off scott free. KB is out of the way, PF is free and gets his daughter back, and KK only spends a short time in jail. I'm sure KK would do that willingly for the love of her life. PF is then rid of both KB and KK and gets his daughter back. It's a win - win for him. Hmmm. JMHO.

I just don't think they're that smart Besides, KK has ruined her life by what she HAS admitted. Most people will forever see her as a despicable, repulsive creature, at best.

 

[Deleted member 718]

It's a darn shame that the state's star witness is a proven liar. The jury won't like that.

PF's future should only include a cell.

 

[Yellow Rose]

I just don't think they're that smart Besides, KK has ruined her life by what she HAS admitted. Most people will forever see her as a despicable, repulsive creature, at best.

We can certainly hope at least! Except for her rodeo friends that love her to the moon and back

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I hope the trial reveals more to hone in on the case against PF. I think right now everyone is distracted by the new info on how involved KK was in KB's demise.
This is exactly why PF is not talking. He spouted out lie after lie prior to lawyering up. He hasn't said a word since and it is truly working in his favor.
All we have to dissect is everything KK said, which keeps the focus off of silent PF and his culpability.

Not my focus.

 

[susiQ]

Three hours would have given PF plenty of time to murder KB and wash and dry his clothes, even if he didn't have a change of clothing at her house.

Trust me, you can't get blood out of clothes that fast.

 

[k-mac]

This is what I'm thinking as well. If she left Idaho at 6:30pm on the 23rd and didn't arrive until 7:30am the next morning, the 24th, and then went straight to cleaning, then to Sonic, then to the gas station, and then watched the fire burn, oh and made it back to Idaho by 5:30pm the next day, the 25th, she literally had no sleep. How can you be up for over 36 hours, driving for over 24 of them, oh and deep cleaning up for 4-5 as well.

yes I would love to know LE did the course....have the feeling they would or will at some stage.
they already know she is a compulsive self preservating liar.
they seem confident she wasn't there for the murder. imo the surveillance MUST prove her lack of presence .
but her timeline is whiffy.
maybe she was binging on coke or something. driving is the HARDEST thing to do on sleep dep.

moo

 

[Rockymtnmermaid]

He did apparently make an effort to clean up, using wet wipes no less.

He also had to clean himself up, so he didn’t walk out of that house looking like he had just jumped into a pool of blood.

We also don’t know exactly when he killed her; it might have not been right away.

I don’t think the murder itself was a long drawn out process. But it also wasn’t instant.

I just had a horrible thought. What if PF was chummy or actually, Dear God, intimate with KB before the murder? Maybe that's why she went along with the game? Maybe with it being Thanksgiving and all, maybe she was hoping for a nice family day and oh God help me if she was intimate with that before he .....

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

And the audacity of her friend to go on media right before this. Michelle and Megan, what do you think these days?

Are you being publicly shamed, too bad.

Well attention (ahem) mongers sure are getting what they want. Haha.
MOO

 

[GordianKnot]

It's a darn shame that the state's star witness is a proven liar. The jury won't like that.

PF's future should only include a cell.

Well....some of us would also like to see a needle included in his future. So, there's that, too.

 

[ab01]

KK is a vile human being, who is about to get off extremely light, considering her level of involvement.

We all hate her.

But to twist her involvement into a scenario that makes her present at Kelsey’s murder, requires one to ignore evidence, and play the game of “maybe, might have, could have, possibly did.”

Evidence shows she wasn’t in Colorado during the murder.

Evidence shows that PF lied about when he last saw Kelsey.

Footage shows PF entering Kelsey’s house after he last claimed to have seen her.

Cell phone data shows that the deception began after PF left the house.

Cell phone calls from PF to KK, back up her account that he called her after committing the murder himself.

I do think that KK is fully capable of committing murder.

She didn’t though.

Excellent post a million blasts of the patriots cannon to you! ..........And one like bc that’s all I can give!

 

[Inthedetails]

Trust me, you can't get blood out of clothes that fast.

So what happened to his bloody clothes? Did he bring clothes with him to change into? Did he keep clothes at her place? KK mentions throwing away KB's bloody sweater, toys, the Bible...but no mention of his bloody clothes. What did he do with them, I wonder? Shoes, too.

jmo

 

[Ur728]

yes I would love to know LE did the course....have the feeling they would or will at some stage.
they already know she is a compulsive self preservating liar.
they seem confident she wasn't there for the murder. imo the surveillance MUST prove her lack of presence .
but her timeline is whiffy.
maybe she was binging on coke or something. driving is the HARDEST thing to do on sleep dep.

moo

Maybe her adrenaline level was just crazy high after experiencing that type of trauma? I know I would not be able to sleep MOO

 

[gitana1]

Yes. He was clearly contacting Kelsey to arrange the pickup of the baby.

He picked her up, and took her to Walmart.

The part that he didn’t tell police, is that he returned to the house with the baby, right after leaving Walmart.

We obviously don’t know if Kelsey was expecting him to return or not, but the surveillance footage from a neighbor’s house, showed that he did.

He must have put the baby in the playpen, then gone about the killing.

I think that 3:36 surveillance image, is him leaving.

And this also goes to show KK wasn't there when KB was murdered. KB was shown returning to her home after Safeway. PF was shown at the house at around 1:00 pm and leaving around 3:30. KK was not seen on surveillance on that date. And the surveillance was working on that date as we can see.

 

[Julia966]

Yes, if she lied then the plea deal will be revoked.

She’d face charges that would put her away for many years.

The evidence simply doesn’t support her being the killer.

I hate this woman as much as anyone, but if the facts say that she was not the killer, then she wasn’t the killer.

She’s a disgusting liar, but her being in Idaho during Thanksgiving, is certainly supported by overwhelming evidence.

Agreed. I'm not sure where the idea is coming from that she's the murderer.

I'm not even convinced she's lying. She would be taking an enormous risk, though I admit there is no one to contradict her except PF, as far as we know. She may be embellishing certain things, like her fear of him, but I have no reason not to believe the story for the most part. For now, anyway.

One interesting tidbit: if she wasn't going to poison KB then why did she bother bringing the coffee? To get a look at her, I guess, size up the horrible child-abusing hussy who's messing with her man.

 

[Notagain]

Yeah, I definitely think she glossed over some details that would have made her look worse.

The time it took to clean the house, doesn’t strike me as being untrue though.

Being a (now former) nurse, she’d be comfortable around blood. With the right chemicals, even dried blood comes up easily.

That was a small house, and surfaces like hardwood don’t hurt the cleanup effort.

What they couldn’t clean, they removed if they could (curtains, bath mat).

I wonder if his trip to Walmart was to get new supplies for the house that he knew would get blood on them, for example the curtains and pillows. I thought CB had said she didn't notice anything out of place or missing but the bath mat. Wasn't she there in October (can't remember if that was the correct month)? You would think new curtains and pillows would stick out. MOO

 

[Noharg]

KK is a vile human being, who is about to get off extremely light, considering her level of involvement.

We all hate her.

But to twist her involvement into a scenario that makes her present at Kelsey’s murder, requires one to ignore evidence, and play the game of “maybe, might have, could have, possibly did.”

Evidence shows she wasn’t in Colorado during the murder.

Evidence shows that PF lied about when he last saw Kelsey.

Footage shows PF entering Kelsey’s house after he last claimed to have seen her.

Cell phone data shows that the deception began after PF left the house.

Cell phone calls from PF to KK, back up her account that he called her after committing the murder himself.

I do think that KK is fully capable of committing murder.

She didn’t though.

I don’t think she committed the murder either, but I do think she co-conspired with PF and should be charged with such, but I accept that is not going to happen either... unless she gets tripped up on a lie (fingers crossed).

 

[susiQ]

And now he has time to concoct a story with her details, but showing how SHE is guilty, not him.

jmo

That might prove a bit tricky when the DA's office just sent them 3,300 pages of info to sift through that implicates him as the killer.

 

[Inthedetails]

I just had a horrible thought. What if PF was chummy or actually, Dear God, intimate with KB before the murder? Maybe that's why she went along with the game? Maybe with it being Thanksgiving and all, maybe she was hoping for a nice family day and oh God help me if she was intimate with that before he .....

Maybe, but it sounds like the baby was awake and in a jumpy chair in the back room. And, they had been up all night with the cattle, etc. That doesn't rule out intimacy, but I'm leaning toward no. (That's my hope, anyway. The betrayal is enough as is.)

jmo

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder if his trip to Walmart was to get new supplies for the house that he knew would get blood on them, for example the curtains and pillows. I thought CB had said she didn't notice anything out of place or missing but the bath mat. Wasn't she there in October (can't remember if that was the correct month)? You would think new curtains and pillows would stick out. MOO

Those are things he would buy afterwards, not before.

This guy probably had no idea of how much a mess he would make, or specifically, where the blood would land.

That receipt will be telling though, no matter what he purchased.

 

[Inthedetails]

And this also goes to show KK wasn't there when KB was murdered. KB was shown returning to her home after Safeway. PF was shown at the house at around 1:00 pm and leaving around 3:30. KK was not seen on surveillance on that date. And the surveillance was working on that date as we can see.

I wonder if she was caught on video the day she came to clean? She parked elsewhere and walked to the house? Do I have that right?

jmo