CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #42 *ARREST*

[jaspermac]

Just jumping off your post - was it you that had mentioned after the search at PF's that their septic tank at the ranchette had been destroyed related to the search? I'm just curious as now that we've heard so much from February 19th, I'm trying to figure what importance that may have had. Thanks in advance.

That was a FB rumour. "Apparently ", PF's sister was on FB complaining her mom didn't have a working sewage system after the search. So looks like that can be debunked

 

[MsBetsy]

PF would say that KB gave him the child, she said goodbye and she did not want to see him (PF) again.

True, but I think LE already knew CB's version of the story, so they were suspicious. Imo

 

[oviedo]

Yes I agree. Also, I believe the Court considers KK a witness— not a defendant.

I agree - I think now she is a witness - she has her guilty plea on record so I can't imagine she is considered a defendant now? JMO

 

[Seattle1]

Imo pleading the fifth isn’t meant to do anything but excuse you from testifying. It does not in any way infer that you are guilty or not guilty in the eyes of the law. All moo

Agree. Take note that SF was represented by counsel at the hearing, and I didn’t expect anything less than him keeping his client off the stand at the preliminary hearing. MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

Confused—SF is PF Mum, and his brother is also SF (i.e., Sean)!

I had asked who May was. I did not know his name, or that he was a "he."

 

[Seattle1]

I agree - I think now she is a witness - she has her guilty plea on record so I can't imagine she is considered a defendant now? JMO

And not by DA May whose statement is being quoted/challenged here!!

 

[heartgoesout]

This happens every time when the worst of it is done by the man, people always want to say the woman caused it. And even when the man confesses (like in the Sherin Mathews case), then it’s got to be that he’s protecting her. Yes, the women are often culpable for their part, but somehow they get the worst of the vitriol and blame.

Nah, this happens when a women admittedly plans and attempts murder three times.

 

[oviedo]

We don’t really know for sure that KB was killed on the 22nd. PF could have incapacitated her in some way and waited for KK to arrive. There’s just no proof she was killed on the 22nd. Just KK’s word. I just find it so hard to believe that the bloody scene of the crime would be left to be cleaned 2 days later.

True - we just know she was never seen again by anyone or on camera or used any of her credit cards, ATM cards, her vehicles, etc. I believe she was killed that day. He had the tote in the car with the baby at the bank - I do wonder if she was in the tote at that time or if the tote was empty. We do know according to KK, there was no body at the townhome when she arrived for the cleanup. JMO
source: Affidavit posted upthread

 

[Seattle1]

I'm referring to brother as SF2. FWIW
MOO

And I always take @Pommymommy’s advice.

 

[ajaylee]

Just jumping off your post - was it you that had mentioned after the search at PF's that their septic tank at the ranchette had been destroyed related to the search? I'm just curious as now that we've heard so much from February 19th, I'm trying to figure what importance that may have had. Thanks in advance.

IIRC, there was no septic tank. Another poster explained it: IIRC, it's actually a drain field with a lot of pipes (similar to some septic installations), but the pipes just filter and drain out, apparently - no tank. They did dig up the area.

 

[PommyMommy]

True - we just know she was never seen again by anyone or on camera or used any of her credit cards, ATM cards, her vehicles, etc. I believe she was killed that day. He had the tote in the car with the baby at the bank - I do wonder if she was in the tote at that time or if the tote was empty. We do know according to KK, there was no body at the townhome when she arrived for the cleanup. JMO
source: Affidavit posted upthread

Do you remember if there was a time given for the bank video? I probably need to look back at the affidavit, but what I remember is that the baby carrier was seen in the truck. (Not the baby, specifically) If that's correct, and I'll check on it, then it could be that he dropped K off with SF, ate Thanksgiving dinner, and collected the tote at that time?
MOO

 

[Kittybunny]

I have only been able to read most of the newer stuff that came out regarding KKs true involvement, the manner of poor KBs death, and the number of people who were complicit in, if not carrying out the actual murder, covering it up or staying silent about it. I personally have never seen anything like it, and honestly, I am flabbergasted and disgusted!

PF - Not just a vicious murderer, but also a tremendous coward. Soliciting a woman, your mistress, to murder your other girlfriend?!?!? Tough cowboy there. I get the sense that he has always manipulated or gotten women to do things, protect him, etc. Speaking of women...

KK - WOW. Just wow. I thought she might have more knowledge and involvement than she claimed at the beginning, but holy carp! Her depravity and willingness to literally clean up PFs mess is mind-boggling. I don't buy for a second it was motivated by fear, or not primarily. I think she is possibly a sociopath and narcissistic manipulator herself - her ability to get others to do her bidding might be a clue. What a pathetic excuse for a human being. She's getting off easy, but I don't see what choice prosecutors had without a body. And then there's KK's Supporting Cast...

MG, Unnamed Male Friend, KK aunt, the weird couple lawyers: Possible foreknowledge of murder and at least, should've had reasonable suspicion given all the stuff that was in the news re: KB's disappearance and they all scurried for darkness and cover like the cockroaches they are. I guess Non-Ethical Birds of a Feather flock together. No morals. No integrity. No courage. No care or concern for a murdered mother and her grieving family and now orphan daughter - that is, until the media showed up waving $$$ in their faces.

And finally, SF, who my real thoughts on are better left unsaid given the rules here. But I'll leave it as this, if there was a puppetmaster behind the scenes pulling PFs strings, I would look no further.

The whole thing is a cesspool of depraved swamp creatures. I'm truly sickened.

 

[ajaylee]

Timeline. What time did his brother state that PF showed up at Ma F's? Compared to evidence of the time PF was at Kelsey's?

I've always had trouble with that timeline. Other posters have pointed out that PF's appearance at Walmart really narrows things down. IIRC, I remember thinking he couldn't have spent more than half an hour at SF's on Thanksgiving afternoon - basically show up, grab a plate, eat and run.

 

[PrairieWind]

This happens every time when the worst of it is done by the man, people always want to say the woman caused it. And even when the man confesses (like in the Sherin Mathews case), then it’s got to be that he’s protecting her. Yes, the women are often culpable for their part, but somehow they get the worst of the vitriol and blame.

Are you serious?!!! This woman is part and parcel to the planned out brutal murder of a young mother and will walk away from it. And you think she is getting the "worst vitriol and blame?"

 

[Inthedetails]

I've always had trouble with that timeline. Other posters have pointed out that PF's appearance at Walmart really narrows things down. IIRC, I remember thinking he couldn't have spent more than half an hour at SF's on Thanksgiving afternoon - basically show up, grab a plate, eat and run.

Regarding Walmart, I just had a sinking thought....I wonder if he bought the tote on that shopping run?

I'm sure LE knows what he purchased, but I just thought of it. I also suspect he bought a candle.

Just thinking aloud, not fact.

jmo

 

[Kapua]

Confused—SF is PF Mum, and his brother is also SF (i.e., Sean)!

And CB is KB's mom and her brother is also CB.

 

[ajaylee]

PF would say that KB gave him the child, she said goodbye and she did not want to see him (PF) again.

This. Plus, according to PF's story, KB's phone 'expired' shortly after she 'disappeared', so with her allegedly demanding space, leaving Baby K behind and cutting off her phone, it made sense not to list her as an emergency contact.

 

[PommyMommy]

True - we just know she was never seen again by anyone or on camera or used any of her credit cards, ATM cards, her vehicles, etc. I believe she was killed that day. He had the tote in the car with the baby at the bank - I do wonder if she was in the tote at that time or if the tote was empty. We do know according to KK, there was no body at the townhome when she arrived for the cleanup. JMO
source: Affidavit posted upthread

Do you remember if there was a time given for the bank video? I probably need to look back at the affidavit, but what I remember is that the baby carrier was seen in the truck. (Not the baby, specifically) If that's correct, and I'll check on it, then it could be that he dropped K off with SF, ate Thanksgiving dinner, and collected the tote at that time?
MOO

UPDATE: A quick scan of the affidavit did not answer my question. Sam's tweets regarding the bank for anyone interested:

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Adams says he also recovered video of Frazee at the drive through of Ent Credit Union. He says he couldn’t see the baby in the truck, but did see a baby carrier. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
That bank video was on Nov. 22. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Two more exhibits from the state. First is a still of him on the surveillance at the bank showing him. Second shows the back of his truck, with a black tote in it. He says they learned that tote played a big role in what happened to Kelsey Berreth. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth

 

[Seattle1]

I've always had trouble with that timeline. Other posters have pointed out that PF's appearance at Walmart really narrows things down. IIRC, I remember thinking he couldn't have spent more than half an hour at SF's on Thanksgiving afternoon - basically show up, grab a plate, eat and run.

Sounds about right— he was a man on a mission and no time for visitors he’s allegedly estranged.

 

[oviedo]

Do you remember if there was a time given for the bank video? I probably need to look back at the affidavit, but what I remember is that the baby carrier was seen in the truck. (Not the baby, specifically) If that's correct, and I'll check on it, then it could be that he dropped K off with SF, ate Thanksgiving dinner, and collected the tote at that time?
MOO

No the affidavit doesn't list a time - para 67 shows how long his cell phone pinged at KB's tower and para 71 says PF took the tote on 11/22 from the residence and stored it - I can't find the reference to the bank video yet but I know I saw it.