CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #44 *ARREST*

[k-mac]

obliterating someone with a baseball bat is imo top shelf brutality.
I haven't truly processed it yet.
think probably most of us here haven't.
this is the savagest killing we have seen in a very long time.
poor Kelsey.

wonder if lover boy and lover girl held hands at the bonfire...…..they make me sick.

 

[dkryder]

Realistically , what are the odds that blabbermouth KK didn't share something about KB/PF to her Auntie K? 'Oh Imma just drive several hundred miles and have you wait in the alley while I take this unknow lady a cuppa joe for this other unknown reason?' Nothing to see here folks....

Nope, not buying what KK is selling, and no, my loathing of her doesn't play into this at all.

In Slater's interview I wonder if he was stating that KK said Aunite K was unaware or CBI believes she was unaware?

well, the story i read is auntie was along because she was interested in a trailer and/or a horse and she understood that PF was the main contact and that KB was PF's lady so to stop and schmooze the lady [KB] a bit might be an understandable tactic to auntie. if any of that was actually the reason. MOO.

 

[dkryder]

do we know if they found any of KK's DNA at KB's condo? since she admits to being there, not a big deal but interesting all the same

good question. i'd guess it might be an important part of verifying her story. i'd think since she said she left blood and/or other evidence of the murder she would have wanted to leave evidence of herself being there. just to back-up her story. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

obliterating someone with a baseball bat is imo top shelf brutality.
I haven't truly processed it yet.
think probably most of us here haven't.
this is the savagest killing we have seen in a very long time.
poor Kelsey.

wonder if lover boy and lover girl held hands at the bonfire...…..they make me sick.

It’s the very definition of “brutality.”

Her eyes were covered, she was likely smiling while preparing to guess the candle scent, then bam; this animal begins bashing her face in with a baseball bat.

Doesn’t get much worse.

 

[gngr~snap]

I'm not buying the coffee story so much. I do think there may be some truth there.
My suspicion only, that perhaps KB was "slipped" something on more than one occasion & that could have been the reason she felt like she needed to seek help.
Have you ever taken Ambien? Know a friend who has?
I had it prescribed once. I took ONE.
I have no memory of what I did that night. I did not go to sleep. I did post on Facebook and for a second I thought I had gotten hacked!
I you were ingesting that unknowingly, you would think you were losing your mind, if you had amnesia from it.
So much so, that you would seek help!
Again this is all moo! I would not put it past JF.
ETA: I disposed of the other 14 tablets I was prescribed.
I'll never take it again!
Moo

 

[dkryder]

I'll update the timeline with the following information:

June 27, 2016

• Idaho court records - KK/CL final Judgement and Decree occurred on June 27, 2016

Summer of 2018

• Arrest Affidavit - KK and CL divorced (married for 8 years and still share a home in Idaho together raising their 2 children) - (Idaho court records - KK/CL final Judgement and Decree occurred on June 27, 2016)

Tippy Lynn, thanks. you are providing an important service to this discussion and i'm thankful for the time you put into it as well as being new myself i'm very impressed how the members of this forum work to gather info and try to keep it all correct as best as possible.

 

[Artis]

Line item #45 on the arrest affidavit states they were divorce summer of 2018.

Summer of 2018

• KK and CL divorced (married for 8 years and still share a home in Idaho together raising their 2 children)

View attachment 170815

I think the confusion stems from the divorce being filed in 2016:

She was married, but she petitioned for divorce from her husband in 2016

https://heavy.com/news/2019/01/krystal-jean-lee-kenney-idaho/

Interesting that she was still lying to him about where she going since they're divorced.

 

[GordianKnot]

It’s the very definition of “brutality.”

Her eyes were covered, she was likely smiling while preparing to guess the candle scent, then bam; this animal begins bashing her face in with a baseball bat.

Doesn’t get much worse.

BBM:

I'll even take it a step further.

It doesn't get any worse that that, period.

Poor KB. I envision it exactly as you describe....her playful, expectant smile, the blindfold...the unseen bat.

And then blam, as you say: what she was expecting and what PF drove into her all unsuspecting could not have been more horrifyingly different.

It's horrific to imagine, and yet I'm sure the reality was much worse than what our minds can envision. The sights, the sounds, everything about that attack is unthinkable.

And Baby K. there possibly witnessing it all!

I hope Dan May gets a jury to stick the needle in his arm.

 

[dkryder]

RSBM
Respectfully, I don't think this at all. For me, the reason there is so much anger and vitriol toward her, is because she is not suffering the consequences of her actions. PF is sitting in jail. We can poke fun of his stupid haircut and failure to launch and impaired higher functioning skills, because he is no longer a danger. He is caught. He will be locked up for a very long time, as in the rest of his life. Not so with KKL. She is free to go to Sonic and rodeos and Vegas (well maybe not out of state yet) and wherever else she wants. So it's not so much blaming her more, as it is being frustrated with the huge incongruity between her crime and punishment.MOO.

i'd agree with you on KK right now. but i think (and hope & pray) that the DA has more planned for KK. it's just to get her to co-operate to this point they could not slam her hard, yet. I think the DA has said a few times that KK remains open to other charges in the future. as i see it even if she testifies as agreed in her plea deal after that is done she is still open to other charges, and i hope they come. MOO.

 

[Aydrianna523]

I think jurors worry too much about crossing every T and dotting every I. I liked how the prosecutor in the Shawn Grate (serial killer) trial explained it last year, "just use your common sense". Yeah, SG got the death penalty. If you followed that trial you would be surprised how brilliant a small town prosecutor can be. I will never underestimate them now.

 

[Dave F.]

"Solicitation" is a charge that goes against the solicitor -- PF, and not against person solicited. The argument of downplaying KK involvement doesn't follow for that charge.

However, if PF/KK were charged as co-conspirators, I have no doubt that KK's would have flipped on PF (like she already has) and the result the same -- KK charged lesser than deserved because prosecutor needs her testimony to secure PF's first degree murder conviction.

Also, to my knowledge, the DA has not dropped the robbery charge against PF which is felony murder, and makes PF eligible for death penalty.

MOO

I'm certainly not trying to be a lawyer here, but it would be difficult to prove conspiracy in strict adherance to the statute.........simply because only he planned and executed the actual murder. All of the pre-planning that she participated in resulted in no major crime. The best that prosecution could guarantee would be prosecution as a Class 6 Felony Conspiracy, which would do nothing but harm to the overall case against him.
Everything that she did after the crime falls under Accessory statutes, which was properly be reduced down to a Class 6 Felony Tampering charge in the plea bargain.
Same result, but a lot clearer path to get there.
2016 Colorado Revised Statutes :: Title 18 - :: Criminal Code :: Article 2 - :: Inchoate Offenses :: Part 2 - :: Criminal Conspiracy :: § 18-2-201. Conspiracy

 

[Artis]

Could be - IDK? I'm going off what was stated on the arrest affidavit.

Whatever the case is, she's still lying to him to cover up her activities and whereabouts and was concerned he'd look through her phone so sent the phony text message. Huh, that seems to be a pattern with her, eh?

 

[MyBelle]

How can he pin the blame on her without taking the stand?

I think the defense may present evidence that the dates KK claims she approached KB's condo with the coffee and baseball bats are dates when KB was out of town and KK was there at PF's invitation.

PF may have been staying in the townhouse caring for the baby and KK, his lover, was there while KB was out of town. PF told LE that sometimes KB was gone three days in a row. I think the baby's home with KB is where the baby stayed. Babies her age thrive on routine and a schedule.

JMO

 

[Dave F.]

Whatever the case is, she's still lying to him to cover up her activities and whereabouts and was concerned he'd look through her phone so sent the phony text message. Huh, that seems to be a pattern with her, eh?

Yes, it DOES seem to be a pattern with her. Perhaps that would explain the divorce. IMO

 

[OldLadyBlues]

I don’t know what specific evidence is justifying the landfill search.

My guess, is that it’s not any additional information provided by KK.

Burning a body like that, requires many hours of constant, intense heat.

KK’s account, all but says that she left for Idaho before the process was done.

That rings true, based on when the burning started, and when she arrived home in Idaho.

Her account of what PF said he would do to the remains, was pretty vague.

As she wasn’t there when he dumped them, I’m not sure she knows specifically what he did.

I think something else, or a combination of things, has led them to that landfill.

I'm having a major problem with the burn. Even the crematorium can't get the fire hot enough to destroy all the bone. And you can't tell me that PF had that fire going long enough and hot enough to destroy her body as well as evidence. It just doesn't make any sense.
MOO, MOO

 

[MassGuy]

I'm having a major problem with the burn. Even the crematorium can't get the fire hot enough to destroy all the bone. And you can't tell me that PF at that fire going long enough and hot enough to destroy her body as well as evidence. It just doesn't make any sense.
MOO, MOO

It’s crazy, but it has been done.

We also don’t know the extent to which he was able to burn her body, and there very well may have been larger pieces left behind.

He disposed of them though, so we simply don’t know.

Hopefully the landfill search turns up something.

 

[Artis]

Realistically , what are the odds that blabbermouth KK didn't share something about KB/PF to her Auntie K? 'Oh Imma just drive several hundred miles and have you wait in the alley while I take this unknow lady a cuppa joe for this other unknown reason?' Nothing to see here folks....

Nope, not buying what KK is selling, and no, my loathing of her doesn't play into this at all.

In Slater's interview I wonder if he was stating that KK said Aunite K was unaware or CBI believes she was unaware?

You know it. More BS from that liar. No way she comes to Colorado, rides with her aunt, who probably knows all about Patrick, and swings by some strange house and the aunt doesn't ask about who it is and how she knows this person. This was the aunt going along on a stalking run for KK to check out her perceived enemy, the mother of Patrick's child.

 

[riolove77]

And you may in fact be proven right. I just tend to believe they have a lot more training and knowledge of the case than I do. Additionally I always try to remember that there was a lot they wouldn't have even known if not for KK telling them. And they need that testimony at trial to even be able to use the most minute details. Many of the things the prosecution found and could eventually confirm was bc of what kk told them. And they need her testimony to even be able to use those details at trial. Throw that out and its a No body case solely relying on cell phone pings IMO.....The FBI, CBI and local LE aren't naive, dumb etc. they are experienced professionals and not an amateur sleuth like me who just likes to try to put the puzzle together based on the few pieces that they choose to release to me....MOO

Thank you for this. There seems to be a line of thought that assumes the prosecution had options and simply chose to give KK the deal when they didn’t have to. They can’t manufacture evidence. If they don’t have it without her, then she’s it. That doesn’t mean they like her or buy everything she says or took her at her word without verifying everything. “PF did it because KK told us so” is not how prosecutors win cases and get justice.

We are ALL infuriated with how involved it turns out she was compared to the deal she got. And if we are, imagine how LE and the DA feel. Ultimately, it’s about the best way to get justice for Kelsey.

 

[Seattle1]

I'm certainly not trying to be a lawyer here, but it would be difficult to prove conspiracy in strict adherance to the statute.........simply because only he planned and executed the actual murder. All of the pre-planning that she participated in resulted in no major crime. The best that prosecution could guarantee would be prosecution as a Class 6 Felony Conspiracy, which would do nothing but harm to the overall case against him.
Everything that she did after the crime falls under Accessory statutes, which was properly be reduced down to a Class 6 Felony Tampering charge in the plea bargain.
Same result, but a lot clearer path to get there.
2016 Colorado Revised Statutes :: Title 18 - :: Criminal Code :: Article 2 - :: Inchoate Offenses :: Part 2 - :: Criminal Conspiracy :: § 18-2-201. Conspiracy

@Dave F.

My post was a direct response to OP that suggested a true charge downplayed to "solicitation."

I did not challenge their assessment of a "conspiracy" criminal charge, or yours, as I believe the result would be the same no matter how you dice it:

KK is receiving a lesser charge of "tampering with evidence" because her cooperation is deemed necessary by DA to secure a conviction of murder.

Nothing else is relevant. MOO

 

[GordianKnot]

It’s crazy, but it has been done.

We also don’t know the extent to which he was able to burn her body, and there very well may have been larger pieces left behind.

He disposed of them though, so we simply don’t know.

Hopefully the landfill search turns up something.

BBM:

Indeed. We need to hope for something, and hope is a scarce commodity in this case.

I do believe the landfill search will yield results.
I do believe despite the overwhelming odds to the contrary that what remains of KB's remains will be found, and will be returned to her loving family for proper, respectful disposition.

Which is the very least that KB deserves. The very least.

JMO.