CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #45*ARREST*

[ab01]

Can she truly claim that she didn't know until afterward, especially since she turned down poisoning Kelsey's coffee and other murder stunts suggested by PF to KK? She knew that PF wanted to kill Kelsey. Knowledge that Kelsey could be murder by her husband cannot be an "after the fact" thing.

MOO No she can't but I believe she addmited it in the plea deal interview with investigators....other wise we wouldn't even know about those attempts...MOO

ETA: KB and PF were not married

 

[Dave F.]

If the mother of PF was politely asking what he was up to with the tote bag in the fire pit, an ex-girlfriend by his side, chances are his mother was hollering? What exactly does KK mean when she claims that the mother of PF saw that / what they were burning? What did she say, and what did they say back?

She said SF opened the door and walked out on her porch to see what they were doing. Where they set the fire is long way from the porch, with trees in between. I imagine all SF saw was the outline of her son feeding a fire in a water trough. With a severe limp and a cane, I wouldn't expect her to investigate further in the dark. SF was several days away from hearing that KB was missing at that time. IMO

 

[Kapua]

I agree in most cases a body is an absolute necessity, In this one I don't believe it is....MOO

The jury in the Hans Reiser case returned a guilty verdict on far less evidence then we have already seen in the preliminary hearing here, IMHO. He did lead police to her body after his conviction in exchange for pleading guilty to second-degree murder. He's now serving a 15-years-to-life sentence that he cannot appeal (based on the plea deal). LE in this case does not need a body. These days, no activity on credit/debit cards, no phone calls or texts, basically no electronic footprint is very powerful evidence. Add to that blood spatters all over the condo, suspect who did not report her missing... I could go on and on. They have plenty of evidence and we haven't seen all of it yet. MOO

 

[otto]

Nash Ranch can be located on Google Earth by searching for "Dave Nash Ranch, Guffey, Colorado". It is very remote, and in the general locale of PF's Forfest Service High Altitude Cattle Grazing leased land. IMO

Do we have a sense of where the phones were and times?

 

[PommyMommy]

KKL described him position the hay forks of the tractor, then using a ladder to climb the hay and crawl on his hands and knees across the tops of the bales to where the toote was, then he stood up and lifted it onto the hay forks. The question is, after it sat for two days on top of the haystack rotting the hay, how did a 220 lb man lift 37 lbs of tote , 110 lbs of body, and a bunch of miscellaneous weights without sinking deep into the rotted hay?

What is the source of this information about hay forks, climbing the hay, crawling on hands and knees, and rotting hay? Please provide a link. TIA

 

[Inthedetails]

She said SF opened the door and walked out on her porch to see what they were doing. Where they set the fire is long way from the porch, with trees in between. I imagine all SF saw was the outline of her son feeding a fire in a water trough. With a severe limp and a cane, I wouldn't expect her to investigate further in the dark. SF was several days away from hearing that KB was missing at that time. IMO

True, KB wasn't reporting missing yet....but SF knew something was up, imo.

PF was at T-Day dinner with the baby and no KB. And SF was likely taking care of the baby with no KB around for a few days by the time, which I don't think was usual. And, KK was there at the fire - what did SF know about their relationship? Was it odd for KK to be there seemingly out of the blue?

SF might not have known at the time of the fire what was happening, but I think she knew something was up and it likely involved KB. Just a hunch, not fact.

jmo

 

[ab01]

True, KB wasn't reporting missing yet....but SF knew something was up, imo.

PF was at T-Day dinner with the baby and no KB. And SF was likely taking care of the baby with no KB around for a few days by the time, which I don't think was usual. And, KK was there at the fire - what did SF know about their relationship? Was it odd for KK to be there seemingly out of the blue?

SF might not have known at the time of the fire what was happening, but I think she knew something was up and it likely involved KB. Just a hunch, not fact.

jmo

And just to add I'm positive she knew before PF was arrested....MO

 

[Kapua]

Yup. From what we heard in regards to him attempting to clean with wet wipes, this genius likely did attempt to clean the scene, but gave up.

I’m sure he was used to his mommy cleaning up his mess, but he couldn’t exactly enlist her here.

So he used KK to do it.

Anything could have happened over those two days, and leaving her house looking like a slaughterhouse, was as stupid as it was brazen.

^ Exactly. Wet wipes. Just when you think he couldn't possibly be any stupider.

 

[otto]

The other notable thing about the hay barn at Nash Ranch is that LE brought in the cadaver dog and used the tractor to hoist it up to a position above the dark spot. It got a "hit" there. The then lowewred it down and had it walk the length of the stack. It got another "hit" in the dirt area where KKL said PF would have taken the tote off the hay forks and set it on the dirt floor until he could move the tractor and back his pickup up to the tote. IMO

This makes her remains sound very heavy, and much more than a small melted plastic cube with ashes and a tooth or two. If the case that she was in was so heavy that it needed a hoist of some sort, then her remains must be much larger than a melted plastic blob.

 

[mtnlites]

Choosing to swing the bat at her head was bizarre.

Everything afterwards was Patrick's New Normal.

Right-o.

Asking another human being to kill the mother of his child with a poisoned apple, I mean caramel latte, was bizarre.

Asking said person to kill the mother of his child with a metal pipe was bizarre.

Killing someone and then bringing in an outside person to clean up the mess was bizarre.

Deciding that murder was the better alternative to breaking up was bizarre.

The tote was just one more ring on the long ladder of bizarreness that surrounded PF's decision making skills.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Wonder what he would've done if she refused to come clean up the mess?

jmo

He would have been caught quicker.

 

[Inthedetails]

This makes her remains sound very heavy, and much more than a small melted plastic cube with ashes and a tooth or two. If the case that she was in was so heavy that it needed a hoist of some sort, then her remains must be much larger than a melted plastic blob.

The heavy load was before the fire.

jmo

 

[v0x]

This makes her remains sound very heavy, and much more than a small melted plastic cube with ashes and a tooth or two. If the case that she was in was so heavy that it needed a hoist of some sort, then her remains must be much larger than a melted plastic blob.

Her body was not yet burned at the point in time when it was located at Nash ranch.

 

[otto]

Also there will be no guilty plea in this case imo. PF is going to ride this out till the end, that’s just who he is!

Like Jason Young (NC). They have an angle, it's just a matter of convincing one juror that it's plausible.

 

[gngr~snap]

Yup. From what we heard in regards to him attempting to clean with wet wipes, this genius likely did attempt to clean the scene, but gave up.

I’m sure he was used to his mommy cleaning up his mess, but he couldn’t exactly enlist her here.

So he used KK to do it.

Anything could have happened over those two days, and leaving her house looking like a slaughterhouse, was as stupid as it was brazen.

I think he just cleaned up baby K with the baby wipes.
That makes me sick.
Moo

 

[ab01]

Like Jason Young (NC). They have an angle, it's just a matter of convincing one juror that it's plausible.

Just curious what is the angle and what is plausible about it?

 

[MyBelle]

Respect to you, I think you know that, gitana1.

I just don't see anything sexist here. There are women who can be manipulative with men- most don't partake in a murder or ask their man to murder the one she is angry and jealous of. But there are other ways that some women, just like some men, can manipulate someone of the opposite sex to do something they either don't have the courage to do themself or they expect that person to prove their love for them. For example, let's say a man is having an affair, his side love threatens to end it because she wants a commitment, or she wants him to move in with her- some men do this. Same in the opposite direction, too.

I don't think anyone had intentions of being sexist in terms of Krystal. I think every one of us is just too horrified at what came out during that hearing. Unfortunately, SF plead the 5th, and Patrick isn't talking, so naturally, everyone is picking apart things Krystal has said and done.

I can only imagine what would happen, if Patrick told his side- I sincerely doubt he's going to agree with Krystal on everything that happened and agree he is a manipulative jerk that killed a beautiful and lovely lady, the mother of his child. I think if he ever does talk, he's going to put the blame all on Krystal. When he told her to come to Kelsey's townhouse because "you have a mess to clean up"- that comment leaves me with many questions, to be honest. Why would Krystal have a mess to clean up- he's the one who wanted her gone, right? So why would Krystal go along with this and do it? Help build a fire, watch him carry the tote from his truck- the tote he said Kelsey was in. Do we believe that she didn't truly know that Kelsey was in there? I mean, gross as this sounds, wouldn't she have wanted to know that Kelsey was really in that tote, just in case she got caught by LE for the actions she partook in the past three months?

Again- I truly respect you, and I don't want to argue over this. Perhaps we just see it a little differently, and that's ok. That's what makes WS great- the various thoughts and opinions.

I don't see anything sexist here, either and you bring up good points. Sexism has nothing to do with the criticism being lobbed at PF and KK.

Absolutely PF will have his mother and whomever else they can persuade to put the blame on KK. She'll be portrayed as obsessed with PF and so hating KB she was stalking her and that's the reason KB wanted her gun back.

JMO

 

[PommyMommy]

Thank you! I made a mistake thinking that CL was PF. Now I understand that KK and PF were only together at the time of her divorce and until the time that Kelsey was murdered.

I don't really understand why they made a deal with her. There is ample evidence against PF that police did not have to give KK a pass to convict him or her

You're welcome. Nobody, I repeat, NOBODY is happy about the plea. But, they need her testimony to make sure this scumball is put away forever.

Kelsey Berreth murder case: Idaho woman pleads guilty to evidence tampering
District Attorney Dan May said that as a condition of her plea agreement she must testify against Frazee or any other possible suspects.

Idaho nurse linked to Kelsey Berreth case pleads guilty, set to testify against suspected killer
Krystal Jean Lee Kenney, 32, of Hansen, Idaho, accepted the plea deal at her advisement hearing Friday in exchange for her testimony against Patrick Frazee, Berreth’s fiancee and alleged killer.

Authorities haven’t implicated her with playing a direct role in Berreth’s apparent murder.

Idaho woman pleads guilty to charge in Kelsey Berreth case
In Teller County court Friday, Kenney agreed to testify in the trial of Patrick Frazee, Berreth's fiance who is accused of murdering her.

Idaho Nurse Pleads Guilty in Connection to Kelsey Berreth's Death, Will Testify Against Patrick Frazee: Report
Krystal Jean “Lee” Kenney, 32, was charged with one count of felony evidence tampering and pleaded guilty after agreeing to testify against Patrick Frazee, the father of Berreth’s child who is accused in her death, KOAA-TV reported.

‘Her testimony will be worth its weight in gold’: Nancy Grace says testimony from mistress will have ‘huge impact’ in Kelsey Berreth murder trial [VIDEO]
“Krystal Lee Kenney’s conviction will have a huge impact on Patrick Frazee’s case because it’s now set that she will testify against him and she will be the State’s chief witness,” she said.

“Her testimony will be worth its weight in gold.”

 

[Steelslady]

Nash Ranch can be located on Google Earth by searching for "Dave Nash Ranch, Guffey, Colorado". It is very remote, and in the general locale of PF's Forfest Service High Altitude Cattle Grazing leased land. IMO

This is why I don't understand why they had a fire in front of SF's property. I don't know if it was possible for him to do it on the Nash ranch, but there had to be somewhere else on SF's property that would have been far less suspicious than in her front yard.

 

[MemPat]

She said SF opened the door and walked out on her porch to see what they were doing. Where they set the fire is long way from the porch, with trees in between. I imagine all SF saw was the outline of her son feeding a fire in a water trough. With a severe limp and a cane, I wouldn't expect her to investigate further in the dark. SF was several days away from hearing that KB was missing at that time. IMO

Maybe.
Maybe not.