CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #45*ARREST*

[ilovechili]

Absolutely, but I doubt that she told LE all about those phone calls and texts, until she was busted. I think that once she realized she was caught lying, some water works started, then out it all came, admitting to the phone calls and texts later on in their interrogation of her. Remember, she hired a lawyer before talking. She says she left evidence behind and deliberately left KB's and her phone on while driving home to Idaho, but when they were questioning her, she refused to talk until her lawyer helped her get that plea deal. She wasn't going to help out of the goodness of her heart.

It is also very convenient too that the cell phones are pretty much all missing as far as we know. The burner ones very convenient...

And I agree, she never tried to help until after she was faced with the fact she lied and she had lawyered up. I do not buy her waterworks.

They are cohorts. IMHO. Or were. Possibly with individual reasons and motives but cohorts nonetheless. Each guilty of what each did. And a few of those things are still up in the air for me... Not all, but a few.

Again, imo.

 

[Steelslady]

He apparently wanted KK to transport the body back to Idaho, and she was ultimately unwilling to do that.

The burning of Kelsey’s remains, ultimately proved to be “plan B.”

I agree. I find it absolutely horrifying that he even expected her to do that. It makes you wonder, would if she did do that? Would he have tipped off the cops while she was transporting Kelsey's body? I swear, I think he was setting Krystal up to take the fall for Kelsey's murder. It backfired sorely on him.

 

[cody22]

According to this report, the fire took place in a pasture.

Courtroom updates: Preliminary hearing for Patrick Frazee, who is accused of killing Kelsey Berreth
After that, Slater said Lee told him they went past the main house and to a pasture and put Berreth’s body into a trough. Slater said Lee told him Frazee used gasoline to light a fire to burn the tote, which was inside the trough.

“[Lee] did stay there for several hours while the fire burned,” Slater said.

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I wonder what was going through her mind watching, and smelling, that burning plastic tote box and the burning body for several hours ?....moo

 

[v0x]

According to this report, the fire took place in a pasture.

Courtroom updates: Preliminary hearing for Patrick Frazee, who is accused of killing Kelsey Berreth
After that, Slater said Lee told him they went past the main house and to a pasture and put Berreth’s body into a trough. Slater said Lee told him Frazee used gasoline to light a fire to burn the tote, which was inside the trough.

“[Lee] did stay there for several hours while the fire burned,” Slater said.

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Hmmm... but the dig was right next to the house. Wasn’t it reported that evidence of the burn was found in the dig?

 

[MassGuy]

I agree. I find it absolutely horrifying that he even expected her to do that. It makes you wonder, would if she did do that? Would he have tipped off the cops while she was transporting Kelsey's body? I swear, I think he was setting Krystal up to take the fall for Kelsey's murder. It backfired sorely on him.

He was so connected to the plot itself, that even if he had tried to set her up, he’d find himself in the exact same situation that he’s in now.

Krystal would still talk, and ultimately strike a deal (much harsher though).

He appears to be simple minded, but I’m not yet convinced that he was that delusional.

 

[Steelslady]

Come join our little club! A couple of us wonder how he could lift all of that combined weight while standing on the top of a haystack , and wonder if he didn't lighten the load before stopping at the barn. The road keeps going past Nash Ranch clear up into the real high country. PF undoubtedly knows dozens of places to stop and ditch a body up there. More people are now wondering how he could incinerate much at all other than the towels, curtains, purse, etc.
Commander Adams presser at the dump today sounded pretty positive that they are looking for remains, though.
IMO

Oh what a shame that the tractor didn't run him over, or several bales of hay didn't come crashing down on his head. Karma for poor Kelsey.

 

[otto]

Just curious what is the angle and what is plausible about it?

I suppose the angle is that she was suicidal, her phone tracked for 3 days so she was alive until Nov 25, she did drugs and was a training pilot (oxymoron). What is plausible is that her phone tracked, and that he made too many mistakes.

 

[PommyMommy]

Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Now keep in mind IANAL so I'm not sure if this is even anything, but I have a question.

How important is the affidavit in terms of conviction? It says that the friend lent KL the black Jetta, yet later is states that the car is a Passat. My mind tends to think that the defense has an easier time now of disputing things in it (if it is used in trial, I'm not sure) because it is inaccurate and inconsistent in terms. Now if this is something that is not used in trial and was only used for the judge to say ok, let's take this to trail, then it doesn't matter. In the end, I just hope the prosecutor tightens up the evidence and makes sure there is nothing off that could be used against them.

I've seen smaller misdemeanors (granted it was a speeding ticket) thrown out of court because of it being written as a different car than what the registration stated.

IANAL either. The affidavit was presented at the preliminary hearing for the court to determine whether sufficient evidence exists to proceed with prosecution. The court ruled yes, there is.

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder what was going through her mind watching, and smelling, that burning plastic tote box and the burning body for several hours ?....moo

“I wonder what time Sonic closes?”

 

[Artis]

To me the motive being custody makes the most sense. But I don't think she was that aware of the issue. It makes sense to me because:

1. As a family law attorney I'm so aware of how insane people get over child custody. Child custody attorneys and probate attorneys are the ones killed the most often. I've witnessed people spend tens of thousands of dollars to fight for kids they neglect.

2. The baby lived.

3. He didn't allow KB's grieving mom to see the baby after KB was murdered.

4. How KB had thought they were engaged but it didn't appear they were. It appears there may have been tension as a result of that. Discussions about finances when it came to marriage. (CB stated they couldn't get married because of the cattle market and it appears there was financial strain per te account that they argued about finances and she put a gun to her head). KB may have begun to discuss wanting to movemif they weren't going to marry. Or wanting to formalize their relationship.

5. Conjecture on my part but in following these cases over the years and looking at the families of origin of these murderers and their relationships with their families, certain patterns of dysufinction, especially enmeshment seem to surface. PF living with his mother from whom he never separated, when coupled of his murder of the mother of his child and his possession of that child, match the pattern. His mother standing on the porch watching something large be burnt. Taking the fifth. Going to every last hearing. Being detained when her son was arrested. Fighting for custody of the baby. Never reporting KB missing despite having the child with her for 11 days with little reasonable explanation I can think of. Reportedly not liking KB and/or didn't want his women friends at the ranch. I can't recall which. All of that fits the enmeshment pattern as well.
People who are enmeshed with parents can also be with their own kids and will view the child as belonging to them and not to the other parent. They can become violent as the thought of someone else possessing what's theirs.

6. What other motive matches?

Great post and I'm complete agreement. I see Ma saying, "That child is a Frazee!" and her being a big factor in a push for custody. They're a clan and Kelsey would never be a part of it.

I also wanted to reply to your reply, to me, in the closed thread, regarding our different perceptions on the issue of KK. We are in agreement on the criminal and moral culpability of PF and, yes, I'm aware we don't prosecute people for thought crime and psychological traits. We're also in agreement on what the evidence shows - PF killed Kelsey. I understand that you see sexism in the loathing of KK but I think you may be ascribing a POV to others that isn't there. I can only speak for myself, so I will. I stand by my take on her actions and see her as dangerous and it has f-k all to do with her being female. Quite a few people were suspicious of that guy who shoes donkeys with PF. Had he done what KK did, I'd be just as disgusted at this deal and see him in the same light. The sex of a criminal makes no difference, to me. We just have to agree to disagree. Some see her more culpable than others. Some seem to see her as PF's puppet. I don't. I see them more as a team. A couple of dangerous psychos who fed off of and fueled each other. Lethal. I'm thrilled he's going down but really pissed she isn't.

 

[ab01]

There is already so much evidence of premeditated murder that I cannot imagine locating the body will be determinative. I think KK for her many flaws will still be a believable witness and her story will be backed up with corroborating evidence. The last time I remember people thinking a DA was desperate and didn’t have enough to convict, next thing we knew Watts pleaded guilty on all counts. I think in high profile cases, in particular, DAs do not bring cases they can’t win lightly. MOO.

This!!! They aren't grasping at straws.....they know darn well what happened and are confident they can prove it....your move PF

 

[otto]

You're welcome. Nobody, I repeat, NOBODY is happy about the plea. But, they need her testimony to make sure this scumball is put away forever.

Kelsey Berreth murder case: Idaho woman pleads guilty to evidence tampering
District Attorney Dan May said that as a condition of her plea agreement she must testify against Frazee or any other possible suspects.

Idaho nurse linked to Kelsey Berreth case pleads guilty, set to testify against suspected killer
Krystal Jean Lee Kenney, 32, of Hansen, Idaho, accepted the plea deal at her advisement hearing Friday in exchange for her testimony against Patrick Frazee, Berreth’s fiancee and alleged killer.

Authorities haven’t implicated her with playing a direct role in Berreth’s apparent murder.

Idaho woman pleads guilty to charge in Kelsey Berreth case
In Teller County court Friday, Kenney agreed to testify in the trial of Patrick Frazee, Berreth's fiance who is accused of murdering her.

Idaho Nurse Pleads Guilty in Connection to Kelsey Berreth's Death, Will Testify Against Patrick Frazee: Report
Krystal Jean “Lee” Kenney, 32, was charged with one count of felony evidence tampering and pleaded guilty after agreeing to testify against Patrick Frazee, the father of Berreth’s child who is accused in her death, KOAA-TV reported.

‘Her testimony will be worth its weight in gold’: Nancy Grace says testimony from mistress will have ‘huge impact’ in Kelsey Berreth murder trial [VIDEO]
“Krystal Lee Kenney’s conviction will have a huge impact on Patrick Frazee’s case because it’s now set that she will testify against him and she will be the State’s chief witness,” she said.

“Her testimony will be worth its weight in gold.”

Does it come down to her corroborating that he had the intent and premeditation required for first degree murder, and otherwise he might get off with Thanksgiving emotion manslaughter?

 

[cody22]

“I wonder what time Sonic closes?”

They had pizza after the body burning, MassGuy. Sonic was earlier on the date........moo

 

[Steelslady]

So before KK arrived, she had already refused to transport KB's remains..... hence his first trip to Nash Ranch, taking the remains to temporarily hide. ( We don't know if burning was part of the plan at that point) Wasn't that trip on T-Day, the same day he killed her, after spending some time at Thanksgiving Dinner?

So he was having some serious stuff conversation with KKL on T-Day for her to refuse to take the remains? LE has only mentioned one conversation about 4:30 with an unknown Idaho number. Seems like this would be a really complicated urgent discussion for the two of them to be having. I see her having to step out of the family home and have these conversations in a vehicle, for privacy.

Wonder how her T-Day evening went?

You have to wonder where exactly Krystal was when she got this phone call. I know she was with her family, as her Dad said she was there and that she acted fine (just like Patrick at his Mom's house). I mean, how do you talk about something like this after eating turkey and trimmings and pie? How do you look at the rest of the family after such a call, and act like nothing's wrong? How do you explain this unexpected trip back to Colorado for the fourth time in less than two months time to your family and friends? You can only get away with the "checking on our horse" story for so long. I just can't imagine me saying "sure, no problem, be there Saturday morning for the clean up, thanks for calling and Happy T-day to you, Patrick!"

 

[ab01]

Hmmm... but the dig was right next to the house. Wasn’t it reported that evidence of the burn was found in the dig?

reportedly the dig next to the house was of the leach field of the septic system....MOO

 

[otto]

Otto, the Nash Ranch visit was before the fire at PF's house.

Thank you. So he put her in the black plastic tote and hoisted her onto the haystack. Then he picked her up from the haystack with KK and burned the case and her body in an incinerator on his mother's property?

Plausible and possible?

 

[Kapua]

Absolutely, but I doubt that she told LE all about those phone calls and texts, until she was busted. I think that once she realized she was caught lying, some water works started, then out it all came, admitting to the phone calls and texts later on in their interrogation of her. Remember, she hired a lawyer before talking. She says she left evidence behind and deliberately left KB's and her phone on while driving home to Idaho, but when they were questioning her, she refused to talk until her lawyer helped her get that plea deal. She wasn't going to help out of the goodness of her heart.

KK did one smart thing in hiring the attorney before she told the whole, ugly, sordid story. She is far from smart, so I'm assuming one of the people she blabbed to early on told her, "You need to get a good lawyer". Imagine the charges she would be facing if she just told LE everything she knew up front. MOO

 

[PommyMommy]

Do we have a sense of where the phones were and times?

Yes, see pdf at the bottom of this post.

I wonder what was going through her mind watching, and smelling, that burning plastic tote box and the burning body for several hours ?....moo

"I'm hungry and I have a headache."

Hmmm... but the dig was right next to the house. Wasn’t it reported that evidence of the burn was found in the dig?

Yes, I think you're right. And, now that I think about it, KK pointed out the area on her trip to the ranchette with LE. So, this pasture business doesn't sound right.
MOO

 

[v0x]

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[Best of What's Around]

They had pizza after the body burning, MassGuy. Sonic was earlier on the date........moo

Yeah, but maybe she wasn’t getting what she wanted.