CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #45*ARREST*

[MyBelle]

I agree, take out that first phone interview and I think many of the statements she has made can be verified! The only things that can’t are the things she said to make herself seem more caring and compassionate imo

All they have verified so far is what KK said happened AFTER the murder and that's because she participated in clean up and disposal. They can't verify what she said PF told her about the actual murder because she disposed of the evidence such as the tooth.

I think that's why LE is putting so much effort into the landfill.

JMO

 

[MemPat]

Good question. But do we know for sure that she KNEW what it was that was burning? Could PF have told her it was a dead animal carcass or something like that?

But wouldn't Mama wonder why it was such an emergency to burn it while he had KK as his out-of-town guest on a holiday week-end?

I'm not buying that one.

Edited for grammar.

 

[ab01]

I get that impression as well.

Her account was specific, self incriminating, and supported by corroborating evidence.

Yah I think when they lined her up against that old lonely wall she could finally read the writing. And I think her lawyer said listen here if you have a story to tell you best tell it now and tell it as accurately as you can or you will be sitting right beside your prince....MOO

 

[lindaromas]

Thank you and yes they both completed the parenting classes it was filed right after that and before the divorce was finalized, makes sense now!

Here is is

• 05/02/2016 Joint Temporary Preliminary Order
  
  
• 05/02/2016 Order to Attend Parenting Classes
  
  Comment
  June 1, 6, 8, 2016
  
  
• 06/10/2016 Certificate of Completion Parenting Class
  
  Comment
  CL<modsnip -name>
  
  
• 06/10/2016 Certificate of Completion Parenting Class
  
  Comment
  KL <modsnip-name>
  
  
• 06/21/2016 Stipulation
  
  Comment
  for Entry of Final Judgment and Decree of Divorce
  
  
• 06/27/2016 Decree of Divorce
  
  Comment
  Judgment and Decree of Divorce
  
  
• 06/27/2016 Civil Disposition Entered
  
  
• Taken from this iCourt Portal - Online records & payments for the Idaho courts

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[tmar]

I suspect that as a busy working mother with an active near-toddler, she might welcome a day off at home all to herself, rather than a dinner in a household where there is already tension. It’s not like she would be there with HER family.

If you’re a working mom, a quiet day off can be awfully nice

Herat, I agree.
Also perhaps knowing PF's estranged brother would be there, causing tension, plus SF, whom perhaps she was not close to, KB probably was not interested in joining this group.
A comfortable time with her child would be preferred.
MOO.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

No, he drove it to Nash Ranch on Thankgsgiving afternoon, by himself in his red 2008 Totota pickup. They went to pick it back up on the 24th. He drove his little ancient Toyota pickup with the shell on the bed. She drove the borrowed car with expired plates. IMO

Ughhhhhh and he drove around with Baby K in that truck.
Truly evil.

 

[lindaromas]

Is this the post you were looking for?
CO - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #44 *ARREST*

Yep! I found it as you posted it I guess, now there are 2, did you notice they called her Kristy in the divorce? First I've ever seen that!

Thank you!

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Yep! I found it as you posted it I guess, now there are 2, did you notice they called her Kristy in the divorce? First I've ever seen that!

Thank you!

I did - I think it's odd. Don't legal documents require legal names?

 

[ab01]

All they have verified so far is what KK said happened AFTER the murder and that's because she participated in clean up and disposal. They can't verify why she said PF told her about the actual murder because she disposed of the evidence such as the tooth.

I think that's why LE is putting so much effort into the landfill.

JMO

Or maybe local LE actually feels a duty to try to return the remains to the Berreth family of their loved one? Sure it would boost their case, but I'm not convinced thats their sole purpose....I think they already have plenty of evidence MOO

 

[Steelslady]

Respectfully because I think sometimes people get too charged up by their own emotion and bias and don't actually read what others are saying.

Every one of us who have attempted to refute the argument that KK was the murderer, the mastermind or as culpable as the actual murderer have clearly and repeatedly expressed our intense disgust with her and horror about what she did and who she is.

Respect to you, I think you know that, gitana1.

I just don't see anything sexist here. There are women who can be manipulative with men- most don't partake in a murder or ask their man to murder the one she is angry and jealous of. But there are other ways that some women, just like some men, can manipulate someone of the opposite sex to do something they either don't have the courage to do themself or they expect that person to prove their love for them. For example, let's say a man is having an affair, his side love threatens to end it because she wants a commitment, or she wants him to move in with her- some men do this. Same in the opposite direction, too.

I don't think anyone had intentions of being sexist in terms of Krystal. I think every one of us is just too horrified at what came out during that hearing. Unfortunately, SF plead the 5th, and Patrick isn't talking, so naturally, everyone is picking apart things Krystal has said and done.

I can only imagine what would happen, if Patrick told his side- I sincerely doubt he's going to agree with Krystal on everything that happened and agree he is a manipulative jerk that killed a beautiful and lovely lady, the mother of his child. I think if he ever does talk, he's going to put the blame all on Krystal. When he told her to come to Kelsey's townhouse because "you have a mess to clean up"- that comment leaves me with many questions, to be honest. Why would Krystal have a mess to clean up- he's the one who wanted her gone, right? So why would Krystal go along with this and do it? Help build a fire, watch him carry the tote from his truck- the tote he said Kelsey was in. Do we believe that she didn't truly know that Kelsey was in there? I mean, gross as this sounds, wouldn't she have wanted to know that Kelsey was really in that tote, just in case she got caught by LE for the actions she partook in the past three months?

Again- I truly respect you, and I don't want to argue over this. Perhaps we just see it a little differently, and that's ok. That's what makes WS great- the various thoughts and opinions.

 

[MyBelle]

No, he drove it to Nash Ranch on Thankgsgiving afternoon, by himself in his red 2008 Totota pickup. They went to pick it back up on the 24th. He drove his little ancient Toyota pickup with the shell on the bed. She drove the borrowed car with expired plates. IMO

If PF had access to the Nash Ranch and nobody was around, I can't figure out why he wouldn't just bury the body on that property. Hiding it in their barn so that he could wait until KK got there is really bizarre to me.

 

[Kapua]

He did, she was obsessed with him....

That's some way-out-there crazy obsession. I had a brunette friend who once died her hair blonde for a guy she was crazy about - he had a thing for blondes. I thought that was ridiculous at the time. I just cannot in my wildest nightmares imagine a woman cleaning up a gruesome crime scene for some guy she's obsessed with. Wouldn't that ruin the Mr. Dream Guy fantasy? Wouldn't any sane woman at the very least block his number the first time he asked her to kill his baby mama? That's a pretty serious wake-up call. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Or maybe local LE actually feels a duty to try to return the remains to the Berreth family of their loved one? Sure it would boost their case, but I'm not convinced thats their sole purpose....I think they already have plenty of evidence MOO

Yes. This case doesn’t hinge on recovering Kelsey’s remains, as the prosecution already has plenty.

What was presented at the preliminary hearing, is only a basic outline of what they have against him.

They have evidence that is far more specific, and damning.

They are also waiting on lab results, which will prove important here.

As you say, recovering Kelsey would bring some closure to the family, and at the same time, boost their case.

 

[Steelslady]

Thank you! I knew there was more than one black tote, but info overload here for me, I had no idea where I read about it.

There is a lot of 'twinning' in this case:

- 2 guns, MG and KB
- 2 red trucks, PF and KB
- 4 possible black hard plastic totes, 1 burned and 3 at ranchette
- 2 cars known to have been used for KK's 4 trips, a rental and MG's VW Passat; other 2 trips unknown
- 3 bludgeoning weapon possibilities, metal pipe or rod, aluminum baseball bat, wooden baseball bat
- 2 BFF's of KK in Idaho, MG and MS, not to mention recipient of stolen gun MP
- 2 things left by rear of KB's Toyota Corolla, PF's black tote with body and KK's bloody trash bags, not to mention the 2 KB socks in the trunk
- too many phones to count

Just pointing out, and there's probably more.

I love this- thanks for posting this. You are so right- I think at times it confuses folks, especially if one isn't on every day- one day, you hear PF's red truck, next day, Kelsey's. The two guns really made a mess of things for me- her friend's gun with the missing bullet, and Kelsey's gun being given to Krystal's friend from high school. I've never seen a case with so much information overload.

 

[lindaromas]

I did - I think it's odd. Don't legal documents require legal names?

Here full name was filed but Kristy was noted under Comment.

 

[MassGuy]

If PF had access to the Nash Ranch and nobody was around, I can't figure out why he wouldn't just bury the body on that property. Hiding it in their barn so that he could wait until KK got there is really bizarre to me.

He apparently wanted KK to transport the body back to Idaho, and she was ultimately unwilling to do that.

The burning of Kelsey’s remains, ultimately proved to be “plan B.”

 

[ab01]

If PF had access to the Nash Ranch and nobody was around, I can't figure out why he wouldn't just bury the body on that property. Hiding it in their barn so that he could wait until KK got there is really bizarre to me.

Yep most murderers don't make rational decisions when they have the body of their significant other and are trying to make it appear as they are going about their daily activities....panic tends to set in and they go with whats familiar.....IE nobody will find her there that will bye me a few days!

 

[MyBelle]

Or maybe local LE actually feels a duty to try to return the remains to the Berreth family of their loved one? Sure it would boost their case, but I'm not convinced thats their sole purpose....I think they already have plenty of evidence MOO

I think LE's first priority is securing evidence that they need for a conviction. I doubt they feel they already have "plenty of evidence" when there is no body.

JMO

 

[MemPat]

Ughhhhhh and he drove around with Baby K in that truck.
Truly evil.

I bet he didn't do a whole lot of running around where people gathered.

The smell would have been awful.

 

[skyedaze]

Time will tell, but I do believe some of it has to be true. She did lead them to evidence to which lead to PF's arrest. Of course, some of this could be embellished to cover her own tail, but I do think she told the truth on many things. She told of the fire in front of SF's yard, she told where he stored the tote with Kelsey's body in it, she pointed to spots of blood evidence in Kelsey's townhouse that she left behind.

I don't think she is lying about anything. I do think that she spins things to look like a victim. Seems to me if she lies, it is by omission. Either way there is always a spin or sniffle on it in her favor somehow.