CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #45*ARREST*

[Dave F.]

If PF had access to the Nash Ranch and nobody was around, I can't figure out why he wouldn't just bury the body on that property. Hiding it in their barn so that he could wait until KK got there is really bizarre to me.

Come join our little club! A couple of us wonder how he could lift all of that combined weight while standing on the top of a haystack , and wonder if he didn't lighten the load before stopping at the barn. The road keeps going past Nash Ranch clear up into the real high country. PF undoubtedly knows dozens of places to stop and ditch a body up there. More people are now wondering how he could incinerate much at all other than the towels, curtains, purse, etc.
Commander Adams presser at the dump today sounded pretty positive that they are looking for remains, though.
IMO

 

[MassGuy]

I think LE's first priority is securing evidence that they need for a conviction. I doubt they feel they already have "plenty of evidence" when there is no body.

JMO

They have a crime scene, physical evidence (blood/DNA), storage site, burn location, phone data, surveillance footage, witness statements, location data, and a star witness who although unlikable, has testimony regarding how this all went down.

It’s quite compelling already, and we don’t know the half of it.

Again; no body, no problem.

 

[MemPat]

If PF had access to the Nash Ranch and nobody was around, I can't figure out why he wouldn't just bury the body on that property. Hiding it in their barn so that he could wait until KK got there is really bizarre to me.

Choosing to swing the bat at her head was bizarre.

Everything afterwards was Patrick's New Normal.

 

[Herat]

He apparently wanted KK to transport the body back to Idaho, and she was ultimately unwilling to do that.

The burning of Kelsey’s remains, ultimately proved to be “plan B.”

So before KK arrived, she had already refused to transport KB's remains..... hence his first trip to Nash Ranch, taking the remains to temporarily hide. ( We don't know if burning was part of the plan at that point) Wasn't that trip on T-Day, the same day he killed her, after spending some time at Thanksgiving Dinner?

So he was having some serious stuff conversation with KKL on T-Day for her to refuse to take the remains? LE has only mentioned one conversation about 4:30 with an unknown Idaho number. Seems like this would be a really complicated urgent discussion for the two of them to be having. I see her having to step out of the family home and have these conversations in a vehicle, for privacy.

Wonder how her T-Day evening went?

 

[MemPat]

Come join our little club! A couple of us wonder how he could lift all of that combined weight while standing on the top of a haystack , and wonder if he didn't lighten the load before stopping at the barn. The road keeps going past Nash Ranch clear up into the real high country. PF undoubtedly knows dozens of places to stop and ditch a body up there. More people are now wondering how he could incinerate much at all other than the towels, curtains, purse, etc.
Commander Adams presser at the dump today sounded pretty positive that they are looking for remains, though.
IMO

I'm pretty sure he lifted the "tote" with body inside onto the hay with a forklift.

Someone commented that he climbed a ladder with it but I don't think so.

 

[MassGuy]

Choosing to swing the bat at her head was bizarre.

Everything afterwards was Patrick's New Normal.

Ha! True.

If you chose a murder weapon like a baseball bat in the first place, then everything afterwards makes a lot of sense.

Stupid killers don’t suddenly get smarter after the murder is committed.

 

[ilovechili]

Thank you! I knew there was more than one black tote, but info overload here for me, I had no idea where I read about it.

There is a lot of 'twinning' in this case:

- 2 guns, MG and KB
- 2 red trucks, PF and KB
- 4 possible black hard plastic totes, 1 burned and 3 at ranchette
- 2 cars known to have been used for KK's 4 trips, a rental and MG's VW Passat; other 2 trips unknown
- 3 bludgeoning weapon possibilities, metal pipe or rod, aluminum baseball bat, wooden baseball bat
- 2 BFF's of KK in Idaho, MG and MS, not to mention recipient of stolen gun MP
- 2 things left by rear of KB's Toyota Corolla, PF's black tote with body and KK's bloody trash bags, not to mention the 2 KB socks in the trunk
- too many phones to count

Just pointing out, and there's probably more.

Excellent points and well worth wondering about. I wonder about a few of them quite a bit actually.

 

[Dave F.]

I'm pretty sure he lifted the "tote" with body onto the hay with a forklift.

Someone commented that he climbed a ladder with it but I don't think so.

KKL described him position the hay forks of the tractor, then using a ladder to climb the hay and crawl on his hands and knees across the tops of the bales to where the toote was, then he stood up and lifted it onto the hay forks. The question is, after it sat for two days on top of the haystack rotting the hay, how did a 220 lb man lift 37 lbs of tote , 110 lbs of body, and a bunch of miscellaneous weights without sinking deep into the rotted hay?

 

[Thekt]

No, he drove it to Nash Ranch on Thankgsgiving afternoon, by himself in his red 2008 Totota pickup. They went to pick it back up on the 24th. He drove his little ancient Toyota pickup with the shell on the bed. She drove the borrowed car with expired plates. IMO

Was there anything documented as to why they took 2 vehicles to Nash Ranch?

 

[MassGuy]

So before KK arrived, she had already refused to transport KB's remains..... hence the trip to Nash Ranch. ( We don't know if burning was part of the plan at that point) Wasn't that trip on T-Day, the same day he killed her, after spending some time at Thanksgiving Dinner?

So he was having some serious stuff conversation with KKL on T-Day for her to refuse to take the remains? LE has only mentioned one conversation about 4:30 with an unknown Idaho number. Seems like this would be a really complicated urgent discussion for the two of them to be having. I see her having to step out of the family home and have these conversations in a vehicle, for privacy.

Wonder how her T-Day evening went?

We don’t know when she refused to transport the body, only that she did refuse.

Regardless, they would have had to return to the Nash Ranch, as that was not an appropriate place to just leave a body.

His plan was to simply hide her there, until he knew what he was going to do with her.

The body was retrieved from there on the 24th, and burned later on that evening.

 

[ajaylee]

I'm pretty sure he lifted the "tote" with body onto the hay with a forklift.

Someone commented that he climbed a ladder with it but I don't think so.

I believe he used the tractor to lift the 'tote' to the top of the pile of hay bales. Then he used the ladder to climb up and push the 'tote' back out of sight. When he retrieve the 'tote', he reversed the process: he climbed up, pushed the 'tote' back into sight and up to the edge of the top bale where he could grab it with the tractor.

 

[MemPat]

Yep most murderers don't make rational decisions when they have the body of their significant other and are trying to make it appear as they are going about their daily activities....panic tends to set in and they go with whats familiar.....IE nobody will find her there that will bye me a few days!

And maybe he could be pretty sure there would be no activities at the Ranch because of Thanksgiving.

 

[Kapua]

Still she willingly went along with him getting rid of Kelsey.

PF found the one-in-a-million woman who was willing to do some of his evil dirty work. Just amazing, IMHO.

 

[MemPat]

We don’t know when she refused to transport the body, only that she did refuse.

Regardless, they would have had to return to the Nash Ranch, as that was not an appropriate place to just leave a body.

His plan was to simply hide her there, until he knew what he was going to do with her.

The body was retrieved from there on the 24th, and burned later on that evening.

So KK's limit was slopping around in blood and brain tissue and she refused to load up the body and head to Idaho?

Thus, the fire. No wonder she needed pizza and an Ibuprofen.

 

[otto]

KB - Victim
K - Daughter of KB and PF
PF - KB's fiance' and murderer
KK or KL or KKL - PF's side piece 2016-2017 and accomplice
CL - KK's ex-husband as of 2016 (per court records) 2018 (per arrest affidavit), were married 8 years.
CB - KB's mother
SF - PF's mother
CB2 - KB's brother
SF2 - PF's brother

Thank you! I made a mistake thinking that CL was PF. Now I understand that KK and PF were only together at the time of her divorce and until the time that Kelsey was murdered.

I don't really understand why they made a deal with her. There is ample evidence against PF that police did not have to give KK a pass to convict him or her

 

[ajaylee]

So KK's limit was slopping around in blood and brain tissue and she refused to load up the body and head to Idaho?

Thus, the fire. No wonder she needed pizza and an Ibuprophin.

I don't like KK any better than anyone else, but....she is a nurse. Many nurses have to become accustomed to seeing and dealing with awful things that most of us are spared. At some point, if you are going to survive as a nurse, you have to learn to deal with the sight of blood and a whole lot worse. That includes both the sight and the smell (because if there was as much blood as KK said there was in KB's condo, I imagine it didn't smell too good).

She's cold and calculating, but I don't think her ability to clean up a bloody mess stems from coldness, just her experiences as a hospital nurse.

Me? I don't panic at the sight of blood, but if I had to clean up what I'm envisioning, I'd have been puking all over the place.

I think she refused to take the body for a couple reasons. First, she was in her friend's VW Passat. PF was talking about her taking the entire tote with the body in it - plus, presumably, the six bags of trash that they also burned. She was supposed to dump that somewhere on the way to Idaho by herself? In a car with expired plates and likely no insurance?

PF was eager to dump all the risk on to KK and she was just as determined not to get stuck with disposal duties. He 'punished' her by insisting that she stay for the burning, knowing she was dog-tired and had a long drive home. I think he wanted her to have enough 'skin' in the game to guarantee she could never turn on him.

Two birds of a feather, selfish to the end and clearly willing to throw each other under the bus if need be.

IMHO!

 

[ab01]

They have a crime scene, physical evidence (blood/DNA), storage site, burn location, phone data, surveillance footage, witness statements, location data, and a star witness who although unlikable, has testimony regarding how this all went down.

It’s quite compelling already, and we don’t know the half of it.

Again; no body, no problem.

I agree in most cases a body is an absolute necessity, In this one I don't believe it is....MOO

 

[ab01]

Come join our little club! A couple of us wonder how he could lift all of that combined weight while standing on the top of a haystack , and wonder if he didn't lighten the load before stopping at the barn. The road keeps going past Nash Ranch clear up into the real high country. PF undoubtedly knows dozens of places to stop and ditch a body up there. More people are now wondering how he could incinerate much at all other than the towels, curtains, purse, etc.
Commander Adams presser at the dump today sounded pretty positive that they are looking for remains, though.
IMO

with a tractor with a bucket and forks on the front?

 

[jewelsmac]

If PF had access to the Nash Ranch and nobody was around, I can't figure out why he wouldn't just bury the body on that property. Hiding it in their barn so that he could wait until KK got there is really bizarre to me.

Its right up there with creating a bloody murder scene...telling your accomplice they "have a mess to clean up"....knowing she wont get there for 2 days! Just left it there like that...2 days...Crazy as hell.

 

[ilovechili]

This is why I wonder if he had something he was holding over her head. I just can't imagine any woman driving back and forth on four different occasions- so far away, leaving family, friends, and possibly work behind (if she had to take any time off to do so) to do this. It wasn't a two hour trip back and forth. We're talking 24 hours worth of driving time each trip, not including time spent to eat, grab a coffee, get gas, use restroom, stretch legs. I'm in awe (not in a good way) of her being able to do that- four trips from Sept to Nov 24- wow.

I so agree on these trip timelines, they boggle the mind...

The only thing about him having something to hold over her head, why could he not still use it against her now? He is in jail with high bond but he could still talk... Just thoughts...