CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[Dave F.]

I cannot recall if the idea about the ARLO camera speculation about the free app was a fact or just speculation? Do we actually know this was the free plan? Or it is one of those things that is just speculated because we know of no video of PF taking out the tote, of KK bringing the car up, etc.? I many threads ago it was speculated as we found things out but I cannot remember if it is a known fact. Thanks in advance for anyone who can answer that.

LE positively identified the camera as an ARLO 1, but I don't think they ever said what plan it operated on. Defense did ask if they had some exit pictures, which they said they did not. The choice of ARLO plans came into discussion trying to determine why the camera had apparently been selective.
I agree with MassGuy, LE is fortunate to get what they got. It's pretty damaging evidence. IMO

 

[jewelsmac]

Do you know if wind, rain, darkness, or the direction of the sun might effect what the camera picks up?

I have not found that mine are affected by rain or wind or darkness. I have one affixed to a fence on the side yard, however my weather conditions are probably different.

 

[ilovechili]

Absolutely possible, why not.

There are women, who would even wear such a thing, when they are going to enjoy a rock concert (not to lose their place in front of the stage).

I will say when I first saw the diaper remark, my first response was a chuckle; while my second immediate thought was if there was another that would do that to establish an alibi, etc., make good time, it would be KK. And at first, in that other case, it did appear she could not have been the perp due to the elaborate lengths she went to to set up an alibi... All due again to a love interest...

It certainly would be no stranger than anything else in this case.

lol

 

[ab01]

Snow and rain seem to have some effect on mine, both affecting the clearity of the images and setting off the motion sensor moo

 

[ilovechili]

LE positively identified the camera as an ARLO 1, but I don't think they ever said what plan it operated on. Defense did ask if they had some exit pictures, which they said they did not. The choice of ARLO plans came into discussion trying to determine why the camera had apparently been selective.
I agree with MassGuy, LE is fortunate to get what they got. It's pretty damaging evidence. IMO

Thanks for the response. I am not really leaning one way or the other, I just wanted to be sure if it was actually known. I have read pretty much everything and thought it was speculation, but I did miss pages and gave up after the thread went crazy after the preliminary hearing.

I do wonder if they have more for one thing. Even with Safeway, I would guess there is a video of KB checking out and departing but that is not in the affidavit, maybe even in the parking lot. The same with PF at Walmart. So, that being said, there could be more expect for what they have denied they have on questioning.

It will be interesting at some point to see the transcript because there were many questions and responses we do not have. The press did a great job with the tweets but they had to do a quick tweet and keep up so...

 

[x_files]

Anyone else scared to death of overfriendly neighbors stopping by with Starbucks now?
This case is beyond bizarre! and it's playing out as I suspected.
KK spent more than half of her affair with this idiot plotting his ex's demise? Who does that? What happened to dating/romance going to the movies? Do psychopaths see this as courtship?!
I would NEVER trust anyone who even joked about offing an ex. NOPE! RUN! You're next one day!

 

[MsBetsy]

Absolutely possible, why not.

There are women, who would even wear such a thing, when they are going to enjoy a rock concert (not to lose their place in front of the stage).

Can you still wear skinny jeans with those things?

 

[Mountain Misst]

Everything looks more sinister, considering what came later.

So two things are possible:

That missing bullet was missing before KK borrowed the car.

Or it was used by KK or PF, for some unknown purpose.

I’m convinced that Kelsey had already been dead for something like 40 hours before KK arrived, so it wasn’t used to kill her (not that the evidence even lends itself to a shooting in the first place).

If that round was removed from the gun, or fired for some reason, I think it had something to do with the story that PF wanted to sell:

That Kelsey had gone off and killed herself.

I don’t know how the hell it would factor in, in that case, or if it was even the same round her gun took.

Weird, but I still think unconnected.

For clarity: There are two guns in discussion. One was Kelsey's which KK gave away to a male friend and the other belonged to the female friend of KK - in the vehicle that KK borrowed. It is the female friend who reported that she never left a bullet in the chamber and when she got her vehicle back - the gun that she had left in the vehicle had one bullet missing and one in the chamber.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/Application and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant.pdf

IMO there could have even been the possibility that PF says I've done my bit, now it's your turn. I've seen this in other cases with kids, where one coerces the other as a form of peer pressure (even if the victim is already deceased).

 

[PrairieWind]

Please corect me if I'm wrong, however I think there are two guns in discussion. One was Kelsey's which KK gave away to a male friend and the other belonged to the female friend of KK - in the vehicle that KK borrowed. It is the female friend who reported that she never left a bullet in the chamber and when she got her vehicle back - the gun that she had left in the vehicle had one bullet missing and one in the chamber. View attachment 171721

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/Application and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant.pdf

That KK took KB's gun and then really did give it to a friend is EXTREMELY stupid. The ATF would have entered that gun's serial number in a database and as soon as that friend tried to sell or pawn that gun or for some reason got stopped by police and they checked the serial number...boom, nailed! The friend would have instantly told LE how he got it.

 

[MassGuy]

For clarity: There are two guns in discussion. One was Kelsey's which KK gave away to a male friend and the other belonged to the female friend of KK - in the vehicle that KK borrowed. It is the female friend who reported that she never left a bullet in the chamber and when she got her vehicle back - the gun that she had left in the vehicle had one bullet missing and one in the chamber. View attachment 171721

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/Application and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant.pdf

Yes. But it doesn’t work with the timeline, or the account provided by KK, one that is supported by evidence.

Her friend’s gun didn’t arrive until a day and a half after Kelsey’s murder.

 

[Mountain Misst]

Yes. But it doesn’t work with the timeline, or the account provided by KK, one that is supported by evidence.

Her friend’s gun didn’t arrive until a day and a half after Kelsey’s murder.

Even 2 days later, there was still a body to fire a bullet into is what I'm getting at, MG.
IMO, it could've even been at the hay barn, or part of the burning celebration. It's still peer pressure that could be exerted.
(am not defending KK in any way by this comment)

 

[MassGuy]

Even 2 days later, there was still a body to fire a bullet into is what I'm getting at, MG.
IMO, it could've even been at the hay barn, or part of the burning celebration. It's still peer pressure that could be exerted.
(am not defending KK in any way by this comment)

Gotcha. My point was that it couldn’t have been used in the murder.

But yes, it could have absolutely been used in something not entirely unrelated.

 

[CDB]

I swear he said something like "daggone cow," or he "done did" (something) Maybe I misunderstood but I've only heard people talk like that in the movies.

Sadly. I thought it was my brother when I first heard the clip. This is exactly how the country half of my mixed family was raised. They all still live on the family farm in some fashion or another. I have heard "daggone cow" more times than I care to remember, I on the other hand used much more colorful language when i was chased by my uncles prized bull, he was no "daggone cow."

 

[MyBelle]

In this picture which was just posted, the are two white devices mounted on the wall of the unit next to KB's, that weren't there in the May 2018 Zillow photo. Could one be the ARLO 1 Camera and the other be an ARLO LIGHT security light?

I wondered the same thing. Do you know if the Arlo camera has a wide angle lens? That could explain how it could capture someone going into KB's door.

 

[NWLady]

I had asked this question before and if somebody answered I must have missed it and I don't know how to flag any of our attorneys on here to ask. But my question was, once PF's trial starts, will the jury be told about KK's plea agreement and/or what her charge actually is? I have tried researching it but can not find an answer. Thanks in advance.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

That KK took KB's gun and then really did give it to a friend is EXTREMELY stupid. The ATF would have entered that gun's serial number in a database and as soon as that friend tried to sell or pawn that gun or for some reason got stopped by police and they checked the serial number...boom, nailed! The friend would have instantly told LE how he got it.

I would think KK would know the gun would be traced back to her. I'm not fully on board that KK left certain pieces of evidence so LE would find it, but maybe.

 

[PrairieWind]

I would think KK would know the gun would be traced back to her. I'm not fully on board that KK left certain pieces of evidence so LE would find it, but maybe.

I wonder what she told the friend that she gave the gun to. I'd be pretty suspicious if someone gave me a gun.

 

[justpeachy22]

Oh, I’m very open to that possibility.

Him telling her “you have a mess to clean up,” just wreaks of complicity.

That sounds like somebody’s end of the deal to me.

It does wreak of complicity, but the alternative possible meaning of that phrase that we shouldn’t discount is : it is just his authoritarian personality : do what I say, when I say so, how I say so. (agreements having no bearing on his directions to Kk).

 

[jewelsmac]

In this picture which was just posted, the are two white devices mounted on the wall of the unit next to KB's, that weren't there in the May 2018 Zillow photo. Could one be the ARLO 1 Camera and the other be an ARLO LIGHT security light?

It sure looks like it. I could not see it clearly when I enlarged the photo, but here is what one looks like

ETA: I realize you can just google ARLO to see what these look like. Thought a visual of one affixed to something might be helpful

 

[AnnaGrace]

I wonder what she told the friend that she gave the gun to. I'd be pretty suspicious if someone gave me a gun.

IIRC, she told him it was her aunt's gun and she just wanted rid of it.

 

[ab01]

I wonder what she told the friend that she gave the gun to. I'd be pretty suspicious if someone gave me a gun.

I get the feeling that this “friend “ didn’t ask a lot of questions when he was buying a gun to flip moo