CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[Trocroc9]

December 4th is the day they took PF's phone and the very same day KK got rid of hers (as if she knew his was taken). It was quite a time before he was arrested.

So part of my self deleted post was correct then someone tipped him off early enough to let KK know to ditch her phone and my thought was it could have been a family member that might have had an inside idea of what was going to go down.

 

[susiQ]

I think the general outline of the story is true but she's added or deleted details based up what she thinks investigators know and what puts her in the "best light" <- Ridiculous, I know.

Agree. I'm also guessing she's omitting info that was never directly asked of her, and also possibly lying about things she KNOWS LE can't prove one way or the other. I just do not trust that demon.

 

[Artis]

This is a really good point. KB never mentioned being invited to any family function nearby. This says everything doesn't it?

I'm guessing Ma did not like Kelsey because she was was baby K's mother and the main obstacle to baby K being all theirs. Further, I doubt Ma liked any women PF might have brought around.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Shoot I think I’m getting lost now I thought I had every detail down. So are you saying this is all happening by green Toyota? Which obviously was not there on nov.22 since red pickup was all over cameras. So is this placing KK at scene? Sorry if I’m overthinking this or got lost. I guess I just need it spelled out.

Think of it this way. When you come out of her walkway towards where the cars are parked, you may put something down in the ground. It just so happens that that is the normal place that if somebody is coming out of the house they would put something down before they loaded it into a car. It just happened to be the same place that both of them did it because it is the logical place to put something down. Does that make sense?

 

[ilovechili]

Does anyone think it is possible that in the plea deal (unknown to us and it is sealed) or in negotiations before the plea deal that KK also offered to get more info from PF than what she already had, which would also show knowledge that she did not know some things (or PF would ask her why are you asking me that, you already know the answer to that?). This shows LE her level of involvement and they proceed with the deal? If PF saw for a time that she was refusing to cooperate which she was and lawyered up, and she called him or met with him and they surveilled it, he would still trust her as he knew she was "not" cooperating, it might be another way to explain the lighter possible sentence...?

I hate to give her any benefit of the doubt but it has crossed my mind. Or is this impossible? It would explain several things...

 

[Artis]

I was outraged by the plea deal until Gitana pointed out that LE may not have known the extent (and all the gory details) of her involvement until she got the deal and spilled her guts. I'm still not thrilled, but I'm hoping that she does serve *some* time. And like I posted a while back, her life is pretty much ruined on the outside. She is a felon and everyone knows all of the truly despicable things she did. She's a marked woman in a prison without bars. She doesn't dare show her face in public. MOO

Unless something comes up that implicates her even more and gets her a new charge, lets hope she gets the three years and 100K fine. That's the max she can get, at this point.

 

[Trocroc9]

Think of it this way. When you come out of her walkway towards where the cars are parked, you may put something down in the ground. It just so happens that that is the normal place that if somebody is coming out of the house they would put something down before they loaded it into a car. It just happened to be the same place that both of them did it because it is the logical place to put something down. Does that make sense?

I understand that but why are some posters saying he placed it in front of green toyota?

 

[ilovechili]

So part of my self deleted post was correct then someone tipped him off early enough to let KK know to ditch her phone and my thought was it could have been a family member that might have had an inside idea of what was going to go down.

Yep. There are a few possibilities I can think of but that would be a key one. She also bought a new one the same day and my guess is changed her number as well...

 

[susiQ]

Shoot I think I’m getting lost now I thought I had every detail down. So are you saying this is all happening by green Toyota? Which obviously was not there on nov.22 since red pickup was all over cameras. So is this placing KK at scene? Sorry if I’m overthinking this or got lost. I guess I just need it spelled out.

No, KK was not there on the 22nd. According to KK, PF placed the black tote with silver handles )) by KB's green toyota. On the 24th, KK placed the garbage bags in the same spot before picking them up to take them to the ranch to burn.

KB owned a green toyota and also a red truck. PF also owned a red truck. ONLY KB's cars and PF's truck were seen at KB's condo on the 22nd in the afternoon. When KK came to clean the condo on the 24th, she parked her car at the community centre close by and walked to the condo.

Does this help?

 

[ilovechili]

I understand that but why are some posters saying he placed it in front of green toyota?

There are so many vehicles, I am not sure what color or one but they mean by Kelsey's Toyota car and I think you are thinking of the Toyota pickup.

 

[Trocroc9]

No, KK was not there on the 22nd. According to KK, PF placed the black tote with silver handles )) by KB's green toyota. On the 24th, KK placed the garbage bags in the same spot before picking them up to take them to the ranch to burn.

KB owned a green toyota and also a red truck. PF also owned a red truck. ONLY KB's cars and PF's truck were seen at KB's condo on the 22nd in the afternoon. When KK came to clean the condo on the 24th, she parked her car at the community centre close by and walked to the condo.

Does this help?

Yes it does I thought PF had a green Toyota so was thinking the only way KK would know where tote was placed was because she was there. Thanks so much for clearing that up for me appreciate it.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

So part of my self deleted post was correct then someone tipped him off early enough to let KK know to ditch her phone and my thought was it could have been a family member that might have had an inside idea of what was going to go down.

That is a possibility, yes.

We don't know yet how it was communicated her to get rid of her phone , ( intuitively obvious assumption!) as we don't know the time frames on when she got rid of her phone, asked her husband to get a new phone, and when his phone was taken when he and his brother were called by law enforcement to meet.

It was of interest that they brought her into the police station where his brother works.

Yet, their surveillance was done by the FBI and it is a possibility that the some members of LE were not aware that that surveillance was up.

 

[ajaylee]

Yep. There are a few possibilities I can think of but that would be a key one. She also bought a new one the same day and my guess is changed her number as well...

This case will drive me crazy before it's over.

IIRC, KK burned KB's phone and a burner phone.

I do not recall what KK did with her regular phone, the phone she told her ex-husband she 'lost'.

 

[v0x]

I'm guessing Ma did not like Kelsey because she was was baby K's mother and the main obstacle to baby K being all theirs. Further, I doubt Ma liked any women PF might have brought around.

I’m curious what makes you think that about his mother. We really know nothing about her. Though, PF told lies to other ppl about KB being abusive toward baby K. He probably told those same lies to SF.

 

[Trocroc9]

That is a possibility, yes.

We don't know yet how it was communicated her to get rid of her phone , ( intuitively obvious assumption!) as we don't know the time frames on when she got rid of her phone, asked her husband to get a new phone, and when his phone was taken when he and his brother were called by law enforcement to meet.

It was of interest that they brought her into the police station where his brother works.

Yet, their surveillance was done by the FBI and it is a possibility that the some members of LE were not aware that that surveillance was up.[/

 

[Auntie Cipation]

@Trocroc9 , KB had a green Toyota Corolla and a red American-made pickup. Both those were at her home on 11/22, in addition to PF's red Toyota truck. That green Corolla was parked closest to the walkway to to the door, so that was the natural place where people passed by with whatever they were carrying, or set things down on the ground as needed. IMO

 

[ilovechili]

This case will drive me crazy before it's over.

IIRC, KK burned KB's phone and a burner phone.

I do not recall what KK did with her regular phone, the phone she told her ex-husband she 'lost'.

I always thought she said she burned hers as well but that does not makes any sense now that I think about it, the date would have been wrong. Maybe that was a burner phone. I believe she told her ex she lost it as you say. Hmmm... Will have to go looking when less tired.

If this case is just going to now drive you crazy you are doing better than I because I have been there and back several times lmao.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Does anyone think it is possible that in the plea deal (unknown to us and it is sealed) or in negotiations before the plea deal that KK also offered to get more info from PF than what she already had, which would also show knowledge that she did not know some things (or PF would ask her why are you asking me that, you already know the answer to that?). This shows LE her level of involvement and they proceed with the deal? If PF saw for a time that she was refusing to cooperate which she was and lawyered up, and she called him or met with him and they surveilled it, he would still trust her as he knew she was "not" cooperating, it might be another way to explain the lighter possible sentence...?

I hate to give her any benefit of the doubt but it has crossed my mind. Or is this impossible? It would explain several things...

Can someone refresh my memory without looking it up, what was the date of our first interview that was a long one, and what date was the one that was only 90 minutes or so?

And in the response, do you recall the locations of both of them. The first one was in Boise, the second one was down by at the town his brother works?

 

[susiQ]

This case will drive me crazy before it's over.

IIRC, KK burned KB's phone and a burner phone.

I do not recall what KK did with her regular phone, the phone she told her ex-husband she 'lost'.

IIRC, she ditched the burner phone in Breckenridge, and threw KB's keys into a gorge close to Gooding. Again, IIRC Didn't she destroy KB's phone and her own in a fire at her and her ex's??

 

[Trocroc9]

This case will drive me crazy before it's over.

IIRC, KK burned KB's phone and a burner phone.

I do not recall what KK did with her regular phone, the phone she told her ex-husband she 'lost'.

This case will drive me crazy before it's over.

IIRC, KK burned KB's phone and a burner phone.

I do not recall what KK did with her regular phone, the phone she told her ex-husband she 'lost'.

I think she kept it to contact PF until December 4th until she all of a sudden burned it in her front yard or shot it or beat it with a wooden baseball bat